More B and below turneys...

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A few months back I was in the pool room talkin with the owner and a few people about the tourneys in are area I was saying there needs to be more B action because every time a good thing gets going there is a few A players that gang up on it, and soon all b players stop going and the thing dies...

Well I walked in a few weeks later and hes got a flyer on the counter for a B and below tourney. Its grown every week...Because I choose to be a father befor pool player (I'm really a pool dabbler, not player) tonight was the first time i got to go check it out, and I must say I was right...It wasnt always pretty but those guys are doing just what they need to, beating up on each other and having a good time doing it. And whoever wins that is going home with a good feeling of accomplishment (they werent all hacks). Obviously that isnt me, well wait it is, it is in part because of the comments I made that the thing is going on, and I'm glad to see it...How good does the guy feel when the turney director comes up and says you cant play anymore your playing A speed know...Me shit I might just give him a big kiss, ookay thats not happening but I would feel pretty damn good....

Those clowns at the IPT took my other idea. It wasnt 2 full weeks befor they said they were going to have that Pro-Am that I was telling Luxury pool should have Pro-Am turneys they are a great way to promote any game. Pool could have some great ones Jack and JIll, Scotch doubles, Jacks against Jills.
 
B and downs are great! they just had one in lincoln and it was a blast. there will be another one in march in hastings and i will be playing in that too.
 
I couldnt agree with you more with having more "B" and below tourney's. I feel that I have been an "A" player for many years now and I have seen a big drop in the amount of "B" players that show up to our small tournaments ($10 entry) and probably just a handful of them show up to any tournament that is $25 or more.

I think I may have a solution to the "A" player and the "B" and below player getting good chances to cash in at the same tournament and its not handicapping.

Hypathetically, If you had an "A" and below tournament that had a $50 entry fee and the stipulations are that $35 of every players entry would go to the main tournament and $15 of it would go to a "B" and below second chance tournamet.

The second chance tournament would only be for "B" and below players that got knocked out in either the first or second round of the losers bracket.

Why do this? Well if I was a "B" player, why would I continually pay for a tournament that I am pretty sure I would be knocked out in two or three rounds. Yes, they would probably enjoy the experience, and learn a little bit, but that is the motivated "B" player that wants to improve his game, not the one that is just having fun with pool.

First complaint that would come from the "A" players would be "Why is my $15 dollars going to a second chance tournament that I cant play in?". My reply to them would be that the "B" player is contributing $35 to the main tournament so without them you would have only had $500 in the main tournament pot rather than $700. Also if you got knocked out by "B" player then maybe you probably made some major mistakes during your match that caused you to loose.

I think you would double your field if you ran a tournament like this, maybe Im wrong, but that is just my gut feeling after talking to a few "B" players.

So what do you think, would it work?
 
Bad idea. You gonna get A players start to sand bag.

I think handicapping of any kind is a bad idea. Sure, I play in handicapps, but thats only because thats all there is here.

Its sad that there is more focus on winning than on learnig your game, improving your game. I feel way better when I beat a better player playing straight up. Playing straight up is the only true way to gauge your skill.
 
Johnnyt said:
Yes, more "B" and down tournaments. Bar Box would be nice:p . Johnnyt
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I agree. Tourneys in my area are chip tourneys on nine footers & even like this the "A" players still win. We had a great bar tourney going for a while but one guy won it every time so people quit coming.
 
qbilder said:
I agree. Tourneys in my area are chip tourneys on nine footers & even like this the "A" players still win. We had a great bar tourney going for a while but one guy won it every time so people quit coming.
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I run a 9 ball tourney in my area and I get a nice field of players each week. It is usually a mix of A, B and last week a couple of local pros played. It was good for the guys that are good, to be able to play against the upper level players.

I have put a rule in place that helps keep the tourney going. If you win two weeks in a row, you sit out a week. I know this isn't the end all, be all, but it works.

I like the second chance tourney idea and I am going to ask the players if they would like to try it out and see how it works. I use the 9ft. tables for the main and will use 8ft. for the second chance. I think this is a good way to grow pool in my area.

This summer a junior league is in the works, including 14 to 17 year olds. I feel like this is a good way to grow pool as well.

Dwight
 
If I work hard on my game to improve it, then win two tourney and then sit out one, I wouldn't play in that tourney again.

You are punishing someone who has worked hard to improve and just rewarding those that don't care enough to do so.
 
duckie said:
If I work hard on my game to improve it, then win two tourney and then sit out one, I wouldn't play in that tourney again.

You are punishing someone who has worked hard to improve and just rewarding those that don't care enough to do so.
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Not really,

Look at the quote I took my response from, I made the rule to keep a player from robbing the tournament. I didn't start a tourney to be someone's personal ATM. I win with my rule and I win if he no longer chooses to play. The rule is for the greater good.

Just sayin'

Dwight
 
I think a lot of it depends on the payout of the event & the cost of entry. If you make it a $5 tourney more people are likely to have a go & it's less likely that the A players will bother to show up.

The place I play at used to run a Sunday night $5 8 ball tourney & it was a good night out. Over the last year or so it's gone up to $10 & now you can expect to see several A players or masters playing in it. Personally, I don't mind that but I'm sure some folks will be put off. Hell, I just wish I had the chance to play in ANY tournaments these days :(
 
BigDogatLarge said:
Not really,

Look at the quote I took my response from, I made the rule to keep a player from robbing the tournament. I didn't start a tourney to be someone's personal ATM. I win with my rule and I win if he no longer chooses to play. The rule is for the greater good.

Just sayin'

Dwight
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What the player walks in with a gun and holds the place up?

It just a fact......not everyone are winners nor can be and those that remain B players are just wanna be that need the rules stacked in their favor. I guess because I have gone from B to A from hard work putting in quality time at the table, it irks me when tourneys cater to the B's and then these same ones think they can shoot.
 
duckie said:
What the player walks in with a gun and holds the place up?

It just a fact......not everyone are winners nor can be and those that remain B players are just wanna be that need the rules stacked in their favor. I guess because I have gone from B to A from hard work putting in quality time at the table, it irks me when tourneys cater to the B's and then these same ones think they can shoot.
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my hats off to you for your hard work paying off but a lot of us get stuck at the B level. i got stuck somewhere between D and C.
 
duckie said:
What the player walks in with a gun and holds the place up?

It just a fact......not everyone are winners nor can be and those that remain B players are just wanna be that need the rules stacked in their favor. I guess because I have gone from B to A from hard work putting in quality time at the table, it irks me when tourneys cater to the B's and then these same ones think they can shoot.
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Some people work a real job for a living and have familys. They do not have the tme and or the desire to spend 5 to 7 days a week at the local pool hall. In fact the majority of pool players and the majority of money spent on billiards and related equipment are spent by B players. Why would you want to run them all off from the local tournaments? The more B players who have fun and spend their money at your local pool hall the better for all. BTW I am one of the B players who could spend the time improving to become an A player, but then again I like to travel, golf, spend my time with friends and loved ones, and beat up on an A player every once in a while.
Ps. Some people are winners at life not pool!
 
Klink said:
Some people work a real job for a living and have familys. They do not have the tme and or the desire to spend 5 to 7 days a week at the local pool hall. In fact the majority of pool players and the majority of money spent on billiards and related equipment are spent by B players. Why would you want to run them all off from the local tournaments? The more B players who have fun and spend their money at your local pool hall the better for all. BTW I am one of the B players who could spend the time improving to become an A player, but then again I like to travel, golf, spend my time with friends and loved ones, and beat up on an A player every once in a while.
Ps. Some people are winners at life not pool!
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That was well said, I was going to reply to his posts but hes not even getting my point ( not that it was crystal clear ) and I was having a hard time thinking of a way to say what you said with out being my sarcastic self.

I would however like to say the whloe point is that B players (all players, there were some c players at the tourny I mentioned) need to be able to get in action, where they can feel comfortable, have some fun, and know that they have a chance to win, BUILD CONFIDENCE. As far as Im concerned there should be turneys for c players only, let them know how it feels to win the cash. Then we (well not me of course) can rob them of their winnings when they come to the pool room thinking they got a game.
 
duckie said:
If I work hard on my game to improve it, then win two tourney and then sit out one, I wouldn't play in that tourney again.

You are punishing someone who has worked hard to improve and just rewarding those that don't care enough to do so.
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I disagree! You can still always play in the "A" level tournaments, and should feel proud that you are improving like that. The reality is that most people don't have the time to improve beyond B level given jobs and family, and it just isn't fun to consistently play tournaments that you have no chance of winning or being competitive in. Besides, how much fun is it beating players that are not at your level?
 
duckie said:
If I work hard on my game to improve it, then win two tourney and then sit out one, I wouldn't play in that tourney again.

You are punishing someone who has worked hard to improve and just rewarding those that don't care enough to do so.
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So what your saying is, you should be allowed to win said tournament over and over again, even if nobody can beat you???

I do believe people have talked about what happens to tournaments with guys like you in them, you end up running everyone away cuz you cant be beaten....

Now your left to play with yourself, so i hope you have some fun and bring some lube!!!!!!
 
StormHotRod300 said:
So what your saying is, you should be allowed to win said tournament over and over again, even if nobody can beat you???

I do believe people have talked about what happens to tournaments with guys like you in them, you end up running everyone away cuz you cant be beaten....

Now your left to play with yourself, so i hope you have some fun and bring some lube!!!!!!
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Sure why not. Its not me running people away, its them thinking they are better than they are and not handling the truth that they suck. Its them not wanting to work to the point they can win like I did.

Those that don't play tourneys cause of such and such is playing are wimps.
 
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