Nobody is disputing that most people elbow drop after contact...We are disputing the commonly held notion that dropping your elbow at all (post contact or otherwise) is inferior to a static elbow.
More elbow dropping nonsense
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Nobody is disputing that most people elbow drop after contact...We are disputing the commonly held notion that dropping your elbow at all (post contact or otherwise) is inferior to a static elbow.
Faster speed isn't what it takes to make a good break.
At Galveston, TX, the professional players who made balls on the break and controlled the cue ball did so at lower speeds rather than faster speeds.
The successful breakers were dropping their elbows on every break and always at lower speeds.
JoeyA thinks players shouldn't worry about dropping their elbows whether they are breaking or shooting regular shots.
Just let it happen.................If you miss the shot you probably need to practice dropping your elbow.
JoeyA
Mike drops his elbow more than the other Mike (Mika), reportedly one of today's best players.
I think if some instructors would simply admit that dropping your elbow is OK and might even be a GOOD THING, they would sleep better at night.
After watching the Siegel video, I am going to practice dropping my elbow until I do it on every shot.
JoeyA
I think if some instructors would simply admit that dropping your elbow is OK and might even be a GOOD THING, they would sleep better at night.
Their tips GO THROUGH the cueball not brush it.
I think that's the common denominator.
What is being missed I think is, if you think your tip should go THROUGH the cueball, you will stroke straighter and smoother.
Their tips GO THROUGH the cueball not brush it.
I think that's the common denominator.
What is being missed I think is, if you think your tip should go THROUGH the cueball, you will stroke straighter and smoother.
Sometimes they slip and you get to see this stuff for real, or some idiot reporter once asked a wrestler if it is fake. The reporter found out its only fake when they smack other wrestlers around, not for reporters that ask if its all fake.
I think if some instructors would simply admit that dropping your elbow is OK and might even be a GOOD THING, they would sleep better at night.
Their tips GO THROUGH the cueball not brush it.
I think that's the common denominator.
What is being missed I think is, if you think your tip should go THROUGH the cueball, you will stroke straighter and smoother.
How can your tip go through a cue ball??? That is Physically impossible. What does "brushing" it mean?
Thanks....SPF=randyg
Faster speed isn't what it takes to make a good break.
At Galveston, TX, the professional players who made balls on the break and controlled the cue ball did so at lower speeds rather than faster speeds.
The successful breakers were dropping their elbows on every break and always at lower speeds.
JoeyA thinks players shouldn't worry about dropping their elbows whether they are breaking or shooting regular shots.
Just let it happen.................If you miss the shot you probably need to practice dropping your elbow.
JoeyA
I agree 100%. Speed is not the answer to a great break....SPF=randyg
The tip doesn't go thru the ball per se. IT's the motion ( piston stroke ? ).
Brushing is when the tip hits the cue ball then goes down b/c the grip hand will be in the upward swing after.
Randy, being a Mater BCA Instructor, I am SURE you recognize the value of a mental image of concentrating on the stroke follow through in such a way as to think of "going through" the CB. Otherwise, if you don't have that mental image, then by default you will attempt to stop the tip at impact.
I am sure you are a great instructor, but there is no need to nitpick commonly understood phrases in the sport.
Everyone KNOWs that the tip cannot physically "go through" the CB. But conversely, everyone KNOWs that the key to a proper stroke is to let the cue tip keeping going forward after impact, rather than trying to stop it, bringing muscle tension into play.
If the term "Go through the cue ball" serves to illustrate the concept in a way that is clear to the average player, then so be it.
Russ
I always pretend the CB is a hologram. I don't stroke at it-- I stroke through it. It's a different motion and acceleration. Just like you don't punch at someone's face--- you punch THROUGH it. 
That elbow stuff is all well and good, but what I want to know is why is Grady talking through his nose?
I always pretend the CB is a hologram. I don't stroke at it-- I stroke through it. It's a different motion and acceleration. Just like you don't punch at someone's face--- you punch THROUGH it.
Exactly. After the pitcher releases the ball, his motion doesn't stop.
I couldn't agree more. Why try and stop a natural motion? I actually posted the same line in another thread. I feel dropping the elbow in pool is like a pitcher finishing his motion. I think most pro's drop their elbow because it is a natural motion and why fight it.
Mika is the one of if not the straighest shooters in the world and he runs around the table making everything. Three practice strokes - followed by an elongated final stroke with a rise of the elbow and in most cases a drop of the elbow. Now poeple will tell you he is unortodox and he shouldn't be copied. I think the exact opposite you watch the best players in the world do something you find a player that fits your style and you try and immulate them. AROD and Jeter have two different swings but both very effective if you are a slap hitter and occasionally drive the ball watch Jeter film if you are a freak of nature and can hit the ball 500 feet watch AROD film.
Question: If most pro's drop their elbows and they are the most accurate pocketers in the world why does dropping your elbow decrease accurracy?
If you drop your elbow too earlier that is a fundamentals flaw not a reason to stop dropping your elbow. Because it is an undeniable fact the most accurate pocketers in the world drop their elbow. We don't need to eliminate the elbow drop we need to make sure people are doing it correctly just like the Pro's
Agree!!!
I took a lesson from a well known instructor on here and felt that 75% of his info was good, but the 25% that was designed to change my elbow drop was way off base.
I believe that the majority of the top players all came into the elbow drop on their own, because it is WHAT WORKS.
Nobody ever taught me about an elbow drop, and I was not really paying attention to pro form when I started practicing it.
I noticed that dropping my elbow on certain shots made the ball and got percentage a much higher percentage of the time, so I got a bottle and started practicing it. Before I stopped playing, I achieved a pretty decent level of play.
Russ
C-player, right?
j/kLet me know if you want another shot at the Rubik's Cube. I feel bad about last time. It was like clubbing a baby seal.
C-player, right?
Let me know if you want another shot at the Rubik's Cube. I feel bad about last time. It was like clubbing a baby seal.
You gotta spot me 2 minutes this next time..
Russ
You gotta spot me 2 minutes this next time..
Russ
1 min, best offer.
I'm lucky if I don't drop the whole cue.
While we may not NEED to eliminate it, since it is not necessary, and can cause problems if done incorrectly, eliminating it becomes a real option for many players. I eliminated it years ago, and have seen my game improve since I did it.
Steve