More Tip Position Discussion

nataddrho said:
Oh my lord.

Here is a video of my kick starter video to OB Cues almost ten years ago, where in the end I run a rack of rotation on the first take.

Secondly, my product supports awareness of tip location.

Thirdly, this is not about me or my ability, your attempt at being insulting failed, and I no longer value your opinion. Enjoy your cat.
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I'm sorry you think I was attempting to insult you. Your many comments seemed to show a limited knowledge of how pool is learned. You made an errant statement 'Some don't care where they hit the cue ball as long as they get a good outcome.' and I corrected you. I explained in detail why you were wrong. I will say one thing though, I'll bet you're a Democrat. Oh, by the way, I watched your video but I failed to see how the player knows where he struck the cue ball.
 
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RT Ford said:
I'm sorry you think I was attempting to insult you. Your many comments seemed to show a limited knowledge of how pool is learned. You made an errant statement 'Some don't care where they hit the cue ball as long as they get a good outcome.' and I corrected you. I explained in detail why you were wrong. I will say one thing though, I'll bet you're a Democrat. Oh, by the way, I watched your video but I failed to see how the player knows where he struck the cue ball.
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If you could keep politics out of these discussions it would be appreciated.
 
RT Ford said:
I'm sorry you think I was attempting to insult you. Your many comments seemed to show a limited knowledge of how pool is learned. You made an errant statement 'Some don't care where they hit the cue ball as long as they get a good outcome.' and I corrected you. I explained in detail why you were wrong. I will say one thing though, I'll bet you're a Democrat. Oh, by the way, I watched your video but I failed to see how the player knows where he struck the cue ball.
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Are you a high school dropout? Seriously your reading comprehension rivals some of the worst on az and there are some real doozies.

The video was from years ago for digicue not for this experimental training ball.
In the future try and understand what you have read before you reply.
Then before you reply just tell yourself you haven't a clue and go on to the next confusing thing.
 
RT Ford said:
The point is that a player doesn't need anyone or anything telling him he miss hit the cue ball.
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Most APA SL4s do not know either where they hit CB or where CB hit OB--they barely know that OB did (or did not) drop in pocket.

So, maybe by the time one gets to Fargo 550 what you say is true, but this represents less than 1% of pool players.
 
What a tool, good Lord above, these clowns are everywhere. I am not a gadget guy, and I never buy anything. I find your product intriguing.
 
nataddrho said:
Thank you for actually answering the question! I appreciate your feedback.
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Just curious, do you understand the concepts I put forth? Reason I ask is because the original explanation of your choices and consequent analysis of what actually happened on the shot are a little suspect.
 
sparkle84 said:
So I assume the point is that if it works would people be interested in buying it as an aid to improve. My opinion, in simple terms, is it probably won't do much to help the type of person who would buy it due to a lack of knowledge in other aspects of the game.

The flip side is that the people who do possess that knowledge won't buy it because they know where they hit the CB due to that knowledge.
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Initially my thoughts were the same however as for those who lack knowledge they can see cause and effect. If they are actually willing to use the ball as a training aid there is hope!

As for the advanced players they can verify what they suspected- unwanted outside English or not low enough to get the desired draw. I know I miss hit the cueball so with this I may learn tendencies and then I can adapt a practice setup to correct my problem.
 
I'm interested. Anybody that claims they always KNOW precisely why they miss are lying to themselves. Sure you can figure it out using older methods like video or simple on the table experiments, but this seems like it would be a better way to conduct those experiments. Impressive.
 
The device is intriguing. The problem is not where I mishit the cue ball, though, but why. I've used training balls and chalk marks and can determine that I do mishit from time to time. I've taken videos and they tell me practically nothing. Need to spend time with a teaching professional who can watch me long enough to see the errant motion in my stroke and tell me what I am doing. I can see the bad result, but I don't see or feel the cause of it.
 
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How does you device help more than seeing if there is side spin on a measal ball when your intent is vertical axis hit?
 
bbb said:
How does you device help more than seeing if there is side spin on a measal ball when your intent is vertical axis hit?
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Seeing a measle ball spin isn’t as quantitative as actual RPM or tip position values, and especially not as powerful as a shotgun scatter plot. You can use my product to create a very accurate “target spread” of the same shot. Just like shooting practice. You can’t do this with chalk marks.

The tighter your pockets the more this will matter.

Also, my product isn’t just for pool. Three cushion requires Way more precision than pool, and 1mm can result in a miss.
 
nataddrho said:
Seeing a measle ball spin isn’t as quantitative as actual RPM or tip position values, and especially not as powerful as a shotgun scatter plot. You can use my product to create a very accurate “target spread” of the same shot. Just like shooting practice. You can’t do this with chalk marks.

The tighter your pockets the more this will matter.

Also, my product isn’t just for pool. Three cushion requires Way more precision than pool, and 1mm can result in a miss.
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thanks for your reply
 
eg9327 said:
The device is intriguing. The problem is not where I mishit the cue ball, though, but why. I've used training balls and chalk marks and can determine that I do mishit from time to time. I've taken videos and they tell me practically nothing. Need to spend time with a teaching professional who can watch me long enough to see the errant motion in my stroke and tell me what I am doing. I can see the bad result, but I don't see or feel the cause of it.
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You’ll never find the answer to why unless you or someone else uses their brain. If you insist on having this question answered for you then just go see an instructor and have him let you use his DigiBall.
 
nataddrho said:
I don’t think you get the point of the thread? You may be reacting without reading.
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Well then why don't you make clear what the point of the thread is? In a couple concise sentences. It isn't abundantly clear given your less than direct writing style.
 
driz86 said:
Well then why don't you make clear what the point of the thread is? In a couple concise sentences. It isn't abundantly clear given your less than direct writing style.
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Using the product for self analysis with video at a later time, as opposed, to immediately with an app. Does such a thing have value? I am showing that it does. I used my own video as an example.
 
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