Morri tips? Anyone have this problem?
- Thread starter cbi1000
- Start date
drivermaker
Banned
cbi1000 said:
That was great advice that I gave...you're too f*#king stupid to realize it. BTW...great thread moron...another exciting TIP thread from an idiot that doesn't even know how to install one. Get a brain.....
I have also noticed the over clamping thing. 2 things I changed and seems to help is (1) less clamping/tailstock pressure, as already mentioned you can squeeze all the glue out, and I have seen the results first hand. (2) someone mentioned in the past to only apply glue to one side, so I tried it. seems to help also for some reason.
Another thing thats important is to position the tip correctly the first time, if the tip is moved to reposition/center It, then It can cause problems also.
Roughing the surface up- I know alot of people do it, and I'm not arguing that it can't help, but I have had the problem both ways with a smooth or rough glueing surface. The thing I would be most worried about on the faces is that ferrule & tip are faced perfect, so the tip does'nt rock on top of the ferrules, if that occurs the tip can pop right off. If any one has ever had a tip pop off when they use alot of outside english, It may be something else, but there is a good chance that is actually what could be occurring.
The problem is not limited to the 314 ferrules from My experience, but the ferrules do to seem to want to swell when burmishing/polishing them, and can be pain in the rear sometimes.
The hardness issue- I'm with Joey on that one, they do have to be trimmed, and the softer the tip, the more it usually needs done before It fully compresses. I do compress them before installing sometimes, but usually just stick to doing that on the fast/hard tips, because seems that the softer ones can delaminate easier, and altough it does not always happen, it can be costly the few times it does, so I just let nature take It course with those.
I have 2 shafts with mooris, so even use them myself, 1soft, 1hard. I don't use a 314 shaft, but the ferrule material on My personal shafts is simular to them, and the tips stay on fine with a fresh tube of duro gel, but had one pop off when I used a previously opened tube.
Even when you think everything is done perfect, they will pop off on rare occasion. happens to most everyone.
Good Luck, Greg
Another thing thats important is to position the tip correctly the first time, if the tip is moved to reposition/center It, then It can cause problems also.
Roughing the surface up- I know alot of people do it, and I'm not arguing that it can't help, but I have had the problem both ways with a smooth or rough glueing surface. The thing I would be most worried about on the faces is that ferrule & tip are faced perfect, so the tip does'nt rock on top of the ferrules, if that occurs the tip can pop right off. If any one has ever had a tip pop off when they use alot of outside english, It may be something else, but there is a good chance that is actually what could be occurring.
The problem is not limited to the 314 ferrules from My experience, but the ferrules do to seem to want to swell when burmishing/polishing them, and can be pain in the rear sometimes.
The hardness issue- I'm with Joey on that one, they do have to be trimmed, and the softer the tip, the more it usually needs done before It fully compresses. I do compress them before installing sometimes, but usually just stick to doing that on the fast/hard tips, because seems that the softer ones can delaminate easier, and altough it does not always happen, it can be costly the few times it does, so I just let nature take It course with those.
I have 2 shafts with mooris, so even use them myself, 1soft, 1hard. I don't use a 314 shaft, but the ferrule material on My personal shafts is simular to them, and the tips stay on fine with a fresh tube of duro gel, but had one pop off when I used a previously opened tube.
Even when you think everything is done perfect, they will pop off on rare occasion. happens to most everyone.
Good Luck, Greg
Moori installation
It can be difficult to install any tip without a lathe. You can't be certain that the ferrule is perfectly flat or that you get the back of tip tip smooth when you scuff or sand it to allow proper installation. Even good hand installation devices are no substitute, but you can't be expected to go out and buy a lathe. The best thing to do is have a pro install the tip for you, especially an expensive tip like a Moori. If you still want to do it yourself, I agree with most of the folks here....use a very good quality gel superglue..Loctite or 454 are great. Don't use standard thin super glue, the tip seems to soak it up and won't bond to the ferrule. Flatten the ferrule and the back of the tip, clean both, apply gel superglue, and apply light pressure until the glue sets...don't rush it!! Layered tips tend to come off when you go to trim them after application, especially without a lathe turning them and biting off little pieces. The tip trimmers for hand use bite into a lot of layers and can quickly pop the tip back off...then you are screwed.
It can be difficult to install any tip without a lathe. You can't be certain that the ferrule is perfectly flat or that you get the back of tip tip smooth when you scuff or sand it to allow proper installation. Even good hand installation devices are no substitute, but you can't be expected to go out and buy a lathe. The best thing to do is have a pro install the tip for you, especially an expensive tip like a Moori. If you still want to do it yourself, I agree with most of the folks here....use a very good quality gel superglue..Loctite or 454 are great. Don't use standard thin super glue, the tip seems to soak it up and won't bond to the ferrule. Flatten the ferrule and the back of the tip, clean both, apply gel superglue, and apply light pressure until the glue sets...don't rush it!! Layered tips tend to come off when you go to trim them after application, especially without a lathe turning them and biting off little pieces. The tip trimmers for hand use bite into a lot of layers and can quickly pop the tip back off...then you are screwed.
Last edited:
To DRIVE and others like himwhy do you people make comments when you have nothing to really add to a conversation? This must be your only area people will actually listen to you. SAD. I can go on and on calling you names but i've seen how many other people have the same issue with you and others like you. For every one normal person there has to be at least one jerk to even everything out. This is the place for this conversation, it's a pool forum....Hello. Anyway,
It's not the 314 shaft, i have been using what we call backers. The tip troubles i've had don't glue to it, not the ferrule.
Plus, for the last time, i don't have this issue with any other tip. I've put on plenty of others with no problem.
Thanks for everyone else's input.
It's not the 314 shaft, i have been using what we call backers. The tip troubles i've had don't glue to it, not the ferrule.
Plus, for the last time, i don't have this issue with any other tip. I've put on plenty of others with no problem.
Thanks for everyone else's input.
I just want to share my experience about what I saw at Ernie's shop. He used a red pad, which I think may be what you referred to as backers. And he let the tip sit on the lathe with it being clamped for a longer period of time for certain types of ferrules.
Different materials have different adhesive properties, with the loctite 454, it seems that it takes a bit more time for the glue to totally set with certain type of materials.
The 454 is not a cyno superglue, it is a gel, and it is therefore different. Different tip has different leather materials which has been treated differently and I am not suprised that may be you have never experienced this problem with other tips.
I have had this problem with a le pro before, and also the blue diamond. This is when I was using super glue and applying a lot on both sides and over clamping them.
Now, I use the gel and I apply it to one side, and I do not apply more than I need.
Tip coming off the ferrule is a matter of probability. You have to have a large sample size in order to collect some meaningful data. For example, if you have had 20 tips put on and 1 Moori came off, I would not say that the Moori is the worst with regard to glue. Most of us have installed more than 500 tips or so, and we have seen this popping off of tips with many types of tips. It is knowing the properties of what you work with and employing the right tool and method that brings in the proper result.
Could you please explain what kind of lathe was used, and the step by step procedure of how the tip was put on so we can have a better understanding of what the problem was?
Thank you.
Richard
Different materials have different adhesive properties, with the loctite 454, it seems that it takes a bit more time for the glue to totally set with certain type of materials.
The 454 is not a cyno superglue, it is a gel, and it is therefore different. Different tip has different leather materials which has been treated differently and I am not suprised that may be you have never experienced this problem with other tips.
I have had this problem with a le pro before, and also the blue diamond. This is when I was using super glue and applying a lot on both sides and over clamping them.
Now, I use the gel and I apply it to one side, and I do not apply more than I need.
Tip coming off the ferrule is a matter of probability. You have to have a large sample size in order to collect some meaningful data. For example, if you have had 20 tips put on and 1 Moori came off, I would not say that the Moori is the worst with regard to glue. Most of us have installed more than 500 tips or so, and we have seen this popping off of tips with many types of tips. It is knowing the properties of what you work with and employing the right tool and method that brings in the proper result.
Could you please explain what kind of lathe was used, and the step by step procedure of how the tip was put on so we can have a better understanding of what the problem was?
Thank you.
Richard
drivermaker
Banned
IQof50
IQof50, a much more appropriate name than cbi1000, is having trouble gluing his wittle tip to his awesome Predator. Well IQof50, maybe I can help. You see, when I was using my shitty Predator for over a year and couldn't figure out why I kept missing balls, I changed the tip out 4 different times to see if something between very soft and very hard would work. I NEVER had problems getting a tip to hold on it. NEVER!! Real simple....you're a moron!
Yep, there are some people that have problems with me. They're just like you because I don't let it slide and point it out...you're morons. You flat out didn't prep the ferrule and tip properly and could have used TOO MUCH glue or other things that were already mentioned.
However, I'll touch on one more area to give you the benefit of the doubt of being a moron. Maybe you just had a bad mix of epoxy. (I highly doubt it)
So here's the test:
Step 1: Have a wooden table available with legs to assist you in this test.
Step 2: Coat your entire forefinger with a large gob of epoxy
Step 3: Smear some of the epoxy onto your forehead
Step 4: Bend over from the waist and plant your forehead on the table with some pressure...and at the same time slide the forefinger up your butthole.
Step 5: Allow 5 minutes to harden and set (assuming a 5 minute epoxy was used)
Step 6: Now stand upright. If the table is stuck to your head and you now have 4 antlers sticking straight out in front of you and your finger is like the little Dutch boy holding the the water back in the dike and won't come out....it's a GOOD batch of epoxy and somehow or another your fault as usual in the prep work.
Hope this helps and I'm glad you got me to see the light to keep this thread on track. BTW IQof50, if you have problems disengaging yourself from the table and the finger up your ass, start a new thread. I'll chime in.
Oh what the hell....I'll just tell you now. In the golf business, we break all shafts from heads due to their epoxy bond with either a commercial heat gun or a torch. I would suggest that. The only problem you might have is when all of your ass hairs catch on fire and you're running down the street with a huge flame coming from your ass and 4 antlers from your head...what will the neighbors think?! When the finger finally "pops", cool it with saliva by leaving it in your chops for about 10 minutes. Should work great....
Good luck with your epoxy test IQof50, and again, glad I could help.
(BTW, moron IQof50....it took 27 posts on here for you to now change your story and suddenly say that the blame is due to the pad, not the tip or the ferrule. Do you even have a f*#king clue to anything that your're doing??)
cbi1000 said:
IQof50, a much more appropriate name than cbi1000, is having trouble gluing his wittle tip to his awesome Predator. Well IQof50, maybe I can help. You see, when I was using my shitty Predator for over a year and couldn't figure out why I kept missing balls, I changed the tip out 4 different times to see if something between very soft and very hard would work. I NEVER had problems getting a tip to hold on it. NEVER!! Real simple....you're a moron!
Yep, there are some people that have problems with me. They're just like you because I don't let it slide and point it out...you're morons. You flat out didn't prep the ferrule and tip properly and could have used TOO MUCH glue or other things that were already mentioned.
However, I'll touch on one more area to give you the benefit of the doubt of being a moron. Maybe you just had a bad mix of epoxy. (I highly doubt it)
So here's the test:
Step 1: Have a wooden table available with legs to assist you in this test.
Step 2: Coat your entire forefinger with a large gob of epoxy
Step 3: Smear some of the epoxy onto your forehead
Step 4: Bend over from the waist and plant your forehead on the table with some pressure...and at the same time slide the forefinger up your butthole.
Step 5: Allow 5 minutes to harden and set (assuming a 5 minute epoxy was used)
Step 6: Now stand upright. If the table is stuck to your head and you now have 4 antlers sticking straight out in front of you and your finger is like the little Dutch boy holding the the water back in the dike and won't come out....it's a GOOD batch of epoxy and somehow or another your fault as usual in the prep work.
Hope this helps and I'm glad you got me to see the light to keep this thread on track. BTW IQof50, if you have problems disengaging yourself from the table and the finger up your ass, start a new thread. I'll chime in.
Oh what the hell....I'll just tell you now. In the golf business, we break all shafts from heads due to their epoxy bond with either a commercial heat gun or a torch. I would suggest that. The only problem you might have is when all of your ass hairs catch on fire and you're running down the street with a huge flame coming from your ass and 4 antlers from your head...what will the neighbors think?! When the finger finally "pops", cool it with saliva by leaving it in your chops for about 10 minutes. Should work great....
Good luck with your epoxy test IQof50, and again, glad I could help.
(BTW, moron IQof50....it took 27 posts on here for you to now change your story and suddenly say that the blame is due to the pad, not the tip or the ferrule. Do you even have a f*#king clue to anything that your're doing??)
Last edited:
To DRIVE: Whatever. People have issues with you because you're and jerk, plan and simple. I post here all the time and have never had an issue with anyone. You on the other hand seem to have problems with everyone. Hmm, why is that? Can it be everyone else? NOPE, must be you! It must suck knowing everyone on the forum thinks you're a jerk.
About your issue with P314, i don't care what shaft you play with. I'm not nor ever have been selling any one shaft over the other. If you can't play with them it again is your problem.
Now i have a couple steps for you:
1. Drive to Portland.
2. Look me up.
3. Play me for money.
4. Pay me.
5. Pay me again.
6. Yep, pay me some more.
7. Sell you car to finish payment to me.
8. Beg for bus far.
9. Go work the street giving bj's (probably enjoyment for you) for your way home.
Thanks,
Once again, thanks everyone.
About your issue with P314, i don't care what shaft you play with. I'm not nor ever have been selling any one shaft over the other. If you can't play with them it again is your problem.
Now i have a couple steps for you:
1. Drive to Portland.
2. Look me up.
3. Play me for money.
4. Pay me.
5. Pay me again.
6. Yep, pay me some more.
7. Sell you car to finish payment to me.
8. Beg for bus far.
9. Go work the street giving bj's (probably enjoyment for you) for your way home.
Thanks,
Once again, thanks everyone.
Not laying blame to the pad either. At first i thought the problem might me the p314 ferrule so i tried a pad and got the same results.
Drive, why does a simple thread bother you so much? If you don't like it don't read it. It's so simple.
The funny thing is you're probably sitting back laughing about how funny you are when in reality everyone is sitting back thinking how much of a jerk you are. That's the really funny thing.
Enjoy your day.
Drive, why does a simple thread bother you so much? If you don't like it don't read it. It's so simple.
The funny thing is you're probably sitting back laughing about how funny you are when in reality everyone is sitting back thinking how much of a jerk you are. That's the really funny thing.
Enjoy your day.
Make sure you scratch the bottom of the tip with 60 grit paper.
Scratch it until you see raw leather all over the bottom.
Use Loctite 454 or Loctite Super Glue Gel ( Home Depot has 'em ).
Apply thin coats all over the tip, and thin coats all over the pad.
454 dries within seconds. Super Glue gel about a minute. Let them sit until the glue starts to dry. Stick it and wipe off excess around the ferrule.
If you don't have a lathe, I implore you to get it done instead.
This is one of those things that doesn't reward much for the effort b/c the downside is too deep.
Joey~In between doing a bunch of house cues and hatin' it . ~
Scratch it until you see raw leather all over the bottom.
Use Loctite 454 or Loctite Super Glue Gel ( Home Depot has 'em ).
Apply thin coats all over the tip, and thin coats all over the pad.
454 dries within seconds. Super Glue gel about a minute. Let them sit until the glue starts to dry. Stick it and wipe off excess around the ferrule.
If you don't have a lathe, I implore you to get it done instead.
This is one of those things that doesn't reward much for the effort b/c the downside is too deep.
Joey~In between doing a bunch of house cues and hatin' it . ~
Last edited:
cbi1000 said:
A friend of mine had the same problem with his morri tip. We tried sanding and even kind of scoring the bottom of the tip so the glue would have something to grab. Nothing worked and then I gave him one of Tiger's tips to put on....no more problem.
Kay
drivermaker
Banned
cbi1000 said:
IQof50 posts here all the time??? LMFAO...let's see a little over 40 posts in total since you've joined as a member. Yep...that's all the time. You're a real winning poster of all time and all issues. Might even get poster of the year award, especially with the dumbest one of all about gluing a tip.
I have problems with morons like you...no one else. "Why is that" you ask?....because you're stupid and a moron...that's all. I don't like morons.
How about if I do this:
1. I get somone that lives out there to look YOU up in Portland. Personally, I don't associate with dumbass morons.
2. They beat you out of everything on the table and then take you out behind the building and beat your dumb ass into the ground.
3. They then ram your tipless cue up your ass...butt first (I know you'd love that)
4. You become their Predator bitch and do as they say at all times (again I know you'd love that)
5. You finally learn how to use glue by gluing all of your broken body parts together over time.
This is great...another jackass like you taking his potshot at the ol' Driver to see if he can get air time to be known. I guess it works...even for a moron.
BTW...a true sign of a moron is the asshole that starts an over 2000 mile woofing challenge on the internet to try to show how good he is and who he can beat. Yep...you did it...what a friggin' joke!! A guy that can't run 3 balls nor knows how to put a tip on a cue, Moori/Predator or not...it ain't rocket science.
Last edited:
drivermaker
Banned
cbi1000 said:
Oh God no...I get people to laughing their asses off all the time. Not only are THEY also laughing at you, but they'll also see over time (in addition to here) what a moron you really are. THAT'S what is REALLY funny. ROTFLMFAO as we speak.
drivermaker said:
I want no part of this flame war. But REGARDLESS of why this was posted,
this is some FUNNY SHIT! LMFAO. TY, Driver, i needed a good laugh...
But Driver, you may want to break Step 4 into 4a and 4b, less one of the more esteemed posters gets confused and tries to put their forehead up their ass and their finger on the table.
Lighten up guys - this is funny stuff.
Ouch!drivermaker said:
Be nice. Send him your best epoxy. Shear strength around 10,000 foot lbs.
That'll fix the problem. I think.
Send me some too so I can field test your best epoxy.
drivermaker
Banned
cbi1000 said:
IQof50 makes a feeble attempt with a one liner that shows how stupid he really is. First of all, you HAVE to be a moron to want to keep this alive and keep opening your mouth. I wouldn't want to go up against me...if I wasn't me. Good GAWD ALMIGHTY!!
But if you REALLY want to see some shit coming out of a mouth, it's yours.
IQof50 sez..."I post here all the time and have NEVER had an issue with anyone".
http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=10624 shows otherwise. You, like a moron that you are, started a thread in the MAIN FORUM on 2-25-05 titled "Sledgehammer J/B For Sale".
Crawdaddio posted and said to take it into the Wanted/For Sale Section
Then, a couple of hours later, you started a SECOND and EXACT thread in the MAIN FORUM once again, like a TRUE moron that you are after being told!!
http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=10625
Jimbo TOOK ISSUE with you and stated, "Have you seen our Wanted/For Sale Section??? USE IT!! You had to get popped a second time because your so frigging dumb and ended coming back with a wise ass remark to him.
Your quote from above is, "I don't care what shaft you play with, I'm not nor ever selling one shaft over the other". What a bunch of stinking shit out of your moronic mouth once more!! All that you ever do is start threads wanting to know what people play with or to give a comparison SELLING one product over another. You're either a young stupid kid just starting this game that has no clue about equipment in general....or....the stupidest adult on this forum.
Here are a sampling of your threads: "P314 OR I2? Which Shaft To Buy?
Hey numb nuts...did you forget about that or just too stupid to remember?Fact is...I responded to your post in an honest fashion since I have both.
Didn't give you any shit either.
Here are some more: "New Cue, M Bender or M Capone"; "Stealth Air Time vs. Bunjee Jump"; "Break/Jump Or a Break And A Jump"; "Bender or Lambros". Do you remember those also or just too stupid? That's also a bunch of shit coming from your mouth about not caring what anyone plays with or promoting one over another. KEYRICED are you a moron!!
http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=14165
http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=10251
http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=8495
http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=8373
Then, you came up with the most CREATIVE thread anyone can come up with...this actually takes a lot of brain power... "What Tip Do You Use", on 5-27-05 ROTFLMAO You had issues with tips then, and you STILL do. What a moron.
http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=13385&page=1
I, Drivermaker, was actually the FIRST ONE to respond and give you a sane, matter-of-fact answer. Little did I know at the time what a moron you really are though.
And then we have this thread, the infamous "I DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE GLUE" idiot thread by you, moron IQof50. If you follow the time line, I posted about another good reason not to use a 314, which is a running joke on here with me, predators, and goofing it up with the guys that do.
YOU'RE response was, "Drive By...Once again you don't add anything to the conversation. Get a life."
Hey, go fuck yourself you little dweeb idiot. You started this shit when all I've EVER done in the past is respond in a matter of fact and honest fashion to all of your inane posts. Now...you'll be buried. Your head stone is being marked as I finish....IQof50 - born 11-10-04 died 05. He was a moron to the dying end. RIP
Give me one of your creative one liners in response to all of the shit that came out of YOUR mouth.
Last edited: