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Sols!!!!
Looks like sols got beat in a heartbreaker today. UGG! I hate it when it is that close, but you always know you gave yourself a chance.
M9-15 GOOSSENS Tom - RAMOS-PEREIRA Bruno 7 - 6
It looked like only two matches went hill hill in round one and Sols was one of them.
Looks like sols got beat in a heartbreaker today. UGG! I hate it when it is that close, but you always know you gave yourself a chance.
M9-15 GOOSSENS Tom - RAMOS-PEREIRA Bruno 7 - 6
It looked like only two matches went hill hill in round one and Sols was one of them.
It looks like the Americans have really played well through the whole event, especially Earl and Rodney. As for Europe, their going to have to perform a miracle if they want to come back. I really liked their chances this year replacing Steve Davis with an actual pool player but they've been pretty disapointing. I would've rather seen Nick Van Den Berg in there instead of Raj Hundal but that can be saved for an entirely different argument.
Donovan said:
ok here is how it goes. I could just give u the post i made on the national forum, as again something happened. Either im bad luck, either people take advantage , i dont know.
First of all, i had a GREATH time!!!. I finally played some pool, and since i started pool it was the best match EVER. Lucky i had these gloves, cuz my hands where ALL sweating. It was the longest match and many people where looking at it. My opponent was unknown to me, he wasnt a regular ranking player, but he seems to be a very good 3 cussion player. He only played 1 time, and finished 17th in the national 8ball championship. BUT i was in greath shape. he had some lucky wins, (like miss on the 2 and carombed the 2 off 3 cussions to hit the 9ball in the middle pocket in a incredible angle. but i had my luck to, when he missed a combo on the 9, leaving me a easy draw shot from the 1 to pot the 9)
I even had a 2-4 lead. But then this happened.
opponent pots 9ball And cb.
He starts swearing and stuff, i try to look
and said im sorry. Solly takes the balls out to put on a new rack. (didnt know u had to respot the 9, and with ball in hand, i thought he would say something if he really wanted me to pot it)
While im taking balls in the pocket where the 9 landed, he says: u cant touch the balls, u have to first respot the 9.
solly goes
, opponent says: u lose the frame as u are not alowed to tough the balls.
solly: u sure?
opponent: yeah i had the same thing in another match, im sorry, but its me to brake
solly: says
ok... and puts up a new rack. (this was at 0-2, so normally i would have had a nice 0-3 lead, but ended up 1-2)
now my question that is still unanswered:
1/ i know and many have already reacted he was being a **** to do this rule thing on me. unsportive
2/ id like to know about the rule itself. as i think: option A/ i dont make a error and i won 0-3 , OR option B if i do a error, he made the same, so i still win.
ill explain this:
part a: If all the balls are pocketed, 9ball and cb included, can u touch other balls in the pockets and put them on the table? (i think of examples: bucket is full, u can swap balls to empty pocket, take a ball out to see if there is space in between 2balls? just some examples where i think its alowed, so i think u are alowed to touch other balls. As long as u dont shoot, before u are new balls are away from the tablle. He said the fault was made when i took out all the balls and put them on the table botom for he to put my rack on.
partb: IF part A before , IS indeed fault, Then he made the exact same fault. As after the discussion, he didnt respot the 9 either, and just said: u touched the balls, u make a fault, i win, its me to brake. He should have first respoted the 9, pot it, and only THEN brake? Correct?
As he seems to be alot more experienced i just believed him on his words, and i just tried to get it out of my head as soon as possible (even if i lost 3 frames after the discussion, going from 2-4 win, to 5-4 loser side. as solly was
, broke my concentration totally). but on the long drive back home i thought of this im posting now. A/ i can take out balls, no error as long as i dont shoot before the 9ball is respot. (wich didnt happen), i win.
B/ i cant take out balls, i make a error, but he has to respot the 9 too, wich didnt happen, i win.
till now no one could tell me the exact ruling, so i just said ok, nm, i had a greath day, and a VERY tough match, and loved All about it. But still for the future, id like to know.
ps; i must admit, i feel a bit
of loosing, as i knew i could have won this game.ow how the game ended.
i was 4-5 behind. i took then 2 frames, 6-5 in front. He then breake, potted 3 balls, he shoots for the 2, carombols off 3 cussion, into the 9, potted in the middle (he apologised). 6-6. He broke, cals a pushout, we played ALOT of safety's after that, i misjudge a safety, he goes for some pots. he missed a easy 6. and leaves me this:
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no idea how, but i hit the pot on the 7 SO hard, probably stress, as most of the times i overrun balls when im stressed, the cb just kept ROOling, and ROOling, and ROOLing, and the cb goes 3 cussion , direction of the 8. The crowd goes all quiet... cb comes closer, crowd start to scream, and the cb finished 1" to far from me being able to see the 7. crowd goes balistic, Solly takes the housecue ans start beating it against his head... i thought of jumping, as i just had learned it last week, but it was to close
then i did this: i played it high pace to maybe get lucky...
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i pot the 7!!!!! he crowd goes MAD!!!!, but the cb slowly roles in direction of the blue line, and i scratch. Easy finish for opponent, lost 6-7.
man this match was AMAZING. even if i feel i should have won it, with the fault thing, and the STUPID own made snooker behind the 8, i felt like i had controle, and my oponent was just drying to mimize the damage. Ah well; had a greath final64. Finished again 33th. and ill know tomorow, if i made it into the top75 of my country, after only 4 out of 10 ranking events.
ps: nice to see some are asking how i did
i feel like i have a little usa fanclub 
how cool is THAT!!!
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If I understand you, I will give an answer
No offense but you are as hard to understand as my governor Arnold Scwartznegger, or whoever he is. lol
First of all you can never use a ball to measure between balls. That is illegal.
Second if you are playing shoot all balls you must sport the 9 and shoot it. If a person gives you the game by moving ball or balls he is penalized one game on the wire for not following that rule. It is unclear whether you putting balls on the table is a foul. I have never heard of that ever being called. Normally the opponent would just say you have to shoot. If he says you don't have to that would be in error. You can move balls out of pockets. I don't know if I answered anything for you as it is hard to deceipher some of it.
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Solartje said:ok here is how it goes. I could just give u the post i made on the national forum, as again something happened. Either im bad luck, either people take advantage , i dont know.
First of all, i had a GREATH time!!!. I finally played some pool, and since i started pool it was the best match EVER. Lucky i had these gloves, cuz my hands where ALL sweating. It was the longest match and many people where looking at it. My opponent was unknown to me, he wasnt a regular ranking player, but he seems to be a very good 3 cussion player. He only played 1 time, and finished 17th in the national 8ball championship. BUT i was in greath shape. he had some lucky wins, (like miss on the 2 and carombed the 2 off 3 cussions to hit the 9ball in the middle pocket in a incredible angle. but i had my luck to, when he missed a combo on the 9, leaving me a easy draw shot from the 1 to pot the 9)
I even had a 2-4 lead. But then this happened.
opponent pots 9ball And cb.
He starts swearing and stuff, i try to look
Solly takes the balls out to put on a new rack. (didnt know u had to respot the 9, and with ball in hand, i thought he would say something if he really wanted me to pot it)
While im taking balls in the pocket where the 9 landed, he says: u cant touch the balls, u have to first respot the 9.
solly goes
opponent says: u lose the frame as u are not alowed to tough the balls.
solly: u sure?
opponent: yeah i had the same thing in another match, im sorry, but its me to brake
solly: says
(this was at 0-2, so normally i would have had a nice 0-3 lead, but ended up 1-2)
now my question that is still unanswered:
1/ i know and many have already reacted he was being a **** to do this rule thing on me. unsportive
2/ id like to know about the rule itself. as i think: option A/ i dont make a error and i won 0-3 , OR option B if i do a error, he made the same, so i still win.
ill explain this:
part a: If all the balls are pocketed, 9ball and cb included, can u touch other balls in the pockets and put them on the table? (i think of examples: bucket is full, u can swap balls to empty pocket, take a ball out to see if there is space in between 2balls? just some examples where i think its alowed, so i think u are alowed to touch other balls. As long as u dont shoot, before u are new balls are away from the tablle. He said the fault was made when i took out all the balls and put them on the table botom for he to put my rack on.
partb: IF part A before , IS indeed fault, Then he made the exact same fault. As after the discussion, he didnt respot the 9 either, and just said: u touched the balls, u make a fault, i win, its me to brake. He should have first respoted the 9, pot it, and only THEN brake? Correct?
As he seems to be alot more experienced i just believed him on his words, and i just tried to get it out of my head as soon as possible (even if i lost 3 frames after that , as solly was
A/ i can take out balls, no error as long as i dont shoot before the 9ball is respot. (wich didnt happen), i win.
B/ i cant take out balls, i make a error, but he has to respot the 9 too, wich didnt happen, i win.
till now no one could tell me the exact ruling, so i just said ok, nm, i had a greath day, and a VERY tough match, and loved All about it. But still for the future, id like to know.
ps; i must admit, i feel a bit
No offense but you are as hard to understand as my governor Arnold Scwartznegger, or whoever he is. lol
First of all you can never use a ball to measure between balls. That is illegal.
Second if you are playing shoot all balls you must sport the 9 and shoot it. If a person gives you the game by moving ball or balls he is penalized one game on the wire for not following that rule. It is unclear whether you putting balls on the table is a foul. I have never heard of that ever being called. Normally the opponent would just say you have to shoot. If he says you don't have to that would be in error. You can move balls out of pockets. I don't know if I answered anything for you as it is hard to deceipher some of it.
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i can understand that i made a fault by putting balls on the table. (i just thought i had won) Still conseaving a game if the 9ball is a straight forward pot happens in 90% of the time, and 99% at this level. i dont know what u mean with the rule: shoot all balls. i havent heared of this term in any of the rule segment on the BPBF site. so cant answer u there. But i think it is, NORMALLY u have to respot the 9 but no one does it, as the chance that your opponent misses it, is a close as nihil.
hehe im sorry im hard to understand, my englisch isnt the greatest i know
i won the yearly price of worst gramar poster in another forum last week
But, what i thought of. IF he calls the fault on me, for not respotting the 9 and pot it, before i put the balls on the table. HE would have had to respot the 9ball to before he breake off in the next game.
Its like digging a hole for someone , makes u fall in your own hole (theres an expression like this, but im probably miles of the correct sentence). he calls fault on not respotting the 9, but he didnt respot it either after calling my fault.
am i any clear?
hehe im sorry im hard to understand, my englisch isnt the greatest i know
i won the yearly price of worst gramar poster in another forum last week But, what i thought of. IF he calls the fault on me, for not respotting the 9 and pot it, before i put the balls on the table. HE would have had to respot the 9ball to before he breake off in the next game.
Its like digging a hole for someone , makes u fall in your own hole (theres an expression like this, but im probably miles of the correct sentence). he calls fault on not respotting the 9, but he didnt respot it either after calling my fault.
am i any clear?
I dont know
If he called a foul on you for putting balls on table and it was his shot then yes he should have to shoot nine. Why didn't you call it back on him Were there any referees in this tournament. Ask them?
All tournaments can have their own rules also;.
The rule I was talking about is announced ahead of time where you "must shoot all balls That means you cannot concede the 9 ball on a scratch. The opponent must shoot it. They play this at the Reno Open every year. I played a guy that did not know the rule and he conceded a game by hitting the remaining two balls. I did not call the penalty but did explain that he should not do it in the future. He did not believe me so I had to have a referee explain the rule.
Solartje said:i can understand that i made a fault by putting balls on the table. (i just thought i had won) Still conseaving a game if the 9ball is a straight forward pot happens in 90% of the time, and 99% at this level. i dont know what u mean with the rule: shoot all balls. i havent heared of this term in any of the rule segment on the BPBF site. so cant answer u there. But i think it is, NORMALLY u have to respot the 9 but no one does it, as the chance that your opponent misses it, is a close as nihil.
hehe im sorry im hard to understand, my englisch isnt the greatest i know
But, what i thought of. IF he calls the fault on me, for not respotting the 9 and pot it, before i put the balls on the table. HE would have had to respot the 9ball to before he breake off in the next game.
Its like digging a hole for someone , makes u fall in your own hole (theres an expression like this, but im probably miles of the correct sentence). he calls fault on not respotting the 9, but he didnt respot it either after calling my fault.
am i any clear?
If he called a foul on you for putting balls on table and it was his shot then yes he should have to shoot nine. Why didn't you call it back on him Were there any referees in this tournament. Ask them?
All tournaments can have their own rules also;.
The rule I was talking about is announced ahead of time where you "must shoot all balls That means you cannot concede the 9 ball on a scratch. The opponent must shoot it. They play this at the Reno Open every year. I played a guy that did not know the rule and he conceded a game by hitting the remaining two balls. I did not call the penalty but did explain that he should not do it in the future. He did not believe me so I had to have a referee explain the rule.
Sorry to hear about that Solly...it's unfortunate you ran into a bad sport when you had an opportunity to get some good experience.
Still, you learned something. You need to know the rules well and be ready to stand up for yourself with such guys. You should have called the head referee over for a ruling. But it's hard to do that when you feel new to the scene.
Stuff like this happens to a lot of us when we start out. Just stick at it and you'll get your chances to play to your ability in some tournies.
Still, you learned something. You need to know the rules well and be ready to stand up for yourself with such guys. You should have called the head referee over for a ruling. But it's hard to do that when you feel new to the scene.
Stuff like this happens to a lot of us when we start out. Just stick at it and you'll get your chances to play to your ability in some tournies.
Solly,
It sounds like either you and your opponent BOTH needed a ref or you got sharked. Depends on if he REALLY knew the rules or not.
When all of the balls had been potted and he scratched on the 9.....
1) Are your tourney rules - a) ball in hand with 9 spotted?
b) loss of game? (scratch on the nine)
c) other??
2) If 1a is the answer, you should have been allowed to spot the 9, put the other balls in empty pockets and play ball in hand, UNLESS..... By trying to rack the balls you caused a delay of game, then he gets ball in hand.
Need to be certain of the rules before you start play! I tried looking the rules up on the bpbf site but your foriegn language skills are fantastic compared to mine.
Terry
It sounds like either you and your opponent BOTH needed a ref or you got sharked. Depends on if he REALLY knew the rules or not.
When all of the balls had been potted and he scratched on the 9.....
1) Are your tourney rules - a) ball in hand with 9 spotted?
b) loss of game? (scratch on the nine)
c) other??
2) If 1a is the answer, you should have been allowed to spot the 9, put the other balls in empty pockets and play ball in hand, UNLESS..... By trying to rack the balls you caused a delay of game, then he gets ball in hand.
Need to be certain of the rules before you start play! I tried looking the rules up on the bpbf site but your foriegn language skills are fantastic compared to mine.
Terry
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tery, it is 1a. and i tried to rack the balls; so yes he should have spotted the 9, wich didnt happen. he just claim the frame was his, and i said, mm well im new and dont know all the rulez, so ok its fair, u win. (me conscieving the game without knowing i still had a chance). bit unsportish to trick a frame in this way, but hey he has the right too, and its my own fault i guess.
Silly solly in full glory AGAIN Got to love me
colin, yes i should, but always easy to say i should... after the match. i was already concentrating 100% on my game, trying not to get nourvous (ow that works greath.. rememeber one of my first posts here, where i was shaking like a leave? well didnt happen ever again.) And yes i had a greath time, so i dont mind at all, it wasnt a rant post just some checking. enoyed it alot, learned ALOT, learned alot about my own game. (REALLY need to go for the safety shot more often, im WAY to agressive, but as position with a housecue is ALOT harder then potting with a housecue, i tend to go for the pot.)
Donovon: thx for the nice words. ill try to make u more proud next time.
To all, really a pitty i dont play in the US, u are treating me like im a US player, with many interest in my game, but the chances we'll ever play is SO small. Another reason why i love this forum. lots of suport, even for silly poeple like silly solly. I really hope i'll be able to meet and play some of u guys and girls one day. U are greath.
Mary xmas and SUPER holidays wishes from solly. Im off.
after national finals, musconi and UK championship i think i got enough ball fun for this week. Do u love this game or do u love it?
Silly solly in full glory AGAIN
Got to love me colin, yes i should, but always easy to say i should... after the match. i was already concentrating 100% on my game, trying not to get nourvous (ow that works greath.. rememeber one of my first posts here, where i was shaking like a leave? well didnt happen ever again.) And yes i had a greath time, so i dont mind at all, it wasnt a rant post
just some checking. enoyed it alot, learned ALOT, learned alot about my own game. (REALLY need to go for the safety shot more often, im WAY to agressive, but as position with a housecue is ALOT harder then potting with a housecue, i tend to go for the pot.) Donovon: thx for the nice words. ill try to make u more proud next time.
To all, really a pitty i dont play in the US, u are treating me like im a US player, with many interest in my game, but the chances we'll ever play is SO small. Another reason why i love this forum. lots of suport, even for silly poeple like silly solly. I really hope i'll be able to meet and play some of u guys and girls one day. U are greath.
Mary xmas and SUPER holidays wishes from solly. Im off.
after national finals, musconi and UK championship i think i got enough ball fun for this week. Do u love this game or do u love it?
Well, I assume that the tournament officials said that starting to rack the balls was a foul, but I'd disagree with them. With no referee at the table, you were acting as the referee and not as a player when you took balls from the pocket. Further, you gained no advantage in the game by touching the balls.Solartje said:
Some related points: Always allow your opponent to shoot the nine ball, even if it is a very easy shot. As was mentioned before, in some tournaments giving up a nine ball costs one additional game. Some players use the nine ball concession as a sharking technique. It is better always to shoot it.
If you want to apply all the rules and get a bad reputation, here's one that's real: if your opponent has pocketed the nine ball, and the cue ball is rolling slowly towards the middle of the foot rail which it may or may not hit, and your opponent picks up the cue ball for his break, call a foul. The shot has not ended until all the balls have stopped rolling. Similarly, if he makes the nine on the break, and he sweeps the balls to the foot of the table before all of the balls have stopped moving, it's a foul.
Hmm.... On reviewing your post, I can't see where you asked the tournament officials about what to do, so we don't know what they would have said. If the match has no referee, do not depend on your opponent to know what the rules are.
there is no referee'(s) in our pool tournaments. this is Belgium not NY. They have referees in snooker but not in pool yet, pool is to small yet to have this luxery.
but there is a "responsable" i didnt mind asking, as im new, and 99% of the players know more then me, so i just take there word as the truth and i learn from it. (another mistake of me im getting good at this) but guess im not the first one doing it if i see what collin says
when u say "you were acting as the referee and not as a player when you took balls from the pocket. Further, you gained no advantage in the game by touching the balls", what inplications does this have? (if i thought of it at the time?). if i understood it, i should have been alowed to put the balls back in the pocket, spot the 9, pot it, and maybe win the match? (ps your post of u being referee if none is available makes alot of sence.. never thought of it this way. interesting. thx for the advice Bob, i sure did learn my lesson, and wont happen again
ps i did some checking on the ranking. I might move from #106 to #71. (might be a bit higher, cuz im not sure of who didnt qualify but still got some points just for being there. so it is in between #71 en #89, but a top75 IS possible.) Now who's gonna pay me some american beer? (buttweiser or duff (or that just a fake simpsons beer? or does it exist?))
not NY. They have referees in snooker but not in pool yet, pool is to small yet to have this luxery.but there is a "responsable" i didnt mind asking, as im new, and 99% of the players know more then me, so i just take there word as the truth and i learn from it. (another mistake of me
im getting good at this) but guess im not the first one doing it if i see what collin sayswhen u say "you were acting as the referee and not as a player when you took balls from the pocket. Further, you gained no advantage in the game by touching the balls", what inplications does this have? (if i thought of it at the time?). if i understood it, i should have been alowed to put the balls back in the pocket, spot the 9, pot it, and maybe win the match? (ps your post of u being referee if none is available makes alot of sence.. never thought of it this way. interesting. thx for the advice Bob, i sure did learn my lesson, and wont happen again
ps i did some checking on the ranking. I might move from #106 to #71. (might be a bit higher, cuz im not sure of who didnt qualify but still got some points just for being there. so it is in between #71 en #89, but a top75 IS possible.) Now who's gonna pay me some american beer? (buttweiser or duff (or that just a fake simpsons beer? or does it exist?))
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Tbeaux said:Live and learn Solly,
Congrats on moving up in the rankings.Better luck next month. What will be the game next month? Oh, a beer....? Dixie Blackened Voodoo!
Terry
never heard of that beer
ill add it on my 'to do in my life' listNo idea what game it is next month. After my ranting post about always playing 9ball (9 9ball rankings, one Nat champ 14-1,8,9) they changed it into 3x8 3x9 3x14-1. Dates are anounced, but not the game. Hope its straight pool. I miss playing it and got a bit fed up with 9ball. I like it in competition, but i hate to train for it.
ps how are u doing? u playing in any ligue i can check u out? punish u if ur doind bad?
ADDED: YES!!!!! solly's xmas dream has come a little true. just made it in the top75 of my country. im currently #72.
http://www.bpbf.be/ranking/ranking-nat1.html
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In the US, we have a saying, "No blood, no foul." Your opponent was not harmed by your action. I think that in an unrefereed match, the players have to be more tolerant of the small stuff. If there is a referee, he is supposed to call all fouls.Solartje said: