Mosconi Day 4 Matches in Progress Coverage

CONGRATULATIONS, Justin Hall

What a showing for a Mosconi Cup Rookie Year.

Even thought the USA came up short, Justins performance was good enough to bring home a USA win if all the players played at his level and grit and determiniation.

He is no questions the USA Team 'MVP'.

The first drink is on me, when Justin comes back HOME-- to the Largo. Clearwater, Florida area.

Strokers is waiting for a good money game, Justin Hall and Donnie Mills have an unfinished money game to finish.

I enjoyed the play of the 2014 Mosconi Cup, just wish it was a little closer in the end.

Now, ONTO DERBY CITY!!!

Mike 'acedonkeyace' Kennedy
 
The best pool players in the world should not be playing on 5 inch pockets.

There was some shots hitting the side rail going down and then hitting the other side of the pocket and still going in.

USA would of still been beaten no matter what they played on.

If that match was played on table 1 at running out billiards in Baltimore, Most of these great players would of looked like b players!

Last years Mosconi cup was played on a tighter table. That year was annus horribilis for team USA.
 
Maybe they should alternate and make it team phillipines or team asia vs team europe.
 
The best pool players in the world should not be playing on 5 inch pockets.

There was some shots hitting the side rail going down and then hitting the other side of the pocket and still going in.

USA would of still been beaten no matter what they played on.

If that match was played on table 1 at running out billiards in Baltimore, Most of these great players would of looked like b players!

Where is it stated that they played on 5" pockets?
Thanks,
JoeyA
 
I think the 1 of 16 lags tells a fair bit about the approach taken by US this year. Note, they got smashed on the lag most times, it's not like it was a lucky run.

Instead, they were doing quantifiable stop shot drills, aka college training nonsense and bringing in a Navy Seal for inspiration.

Sounds like something out of a C grade college movie about a bunch of misfits coming back from behind.

I'd reckon Ahmed from Community would have done better to unify the team and get them playing good pool... perhaps via some Rocky style training. ;-)
 
I think the 1 of 16 lags tells a fair bit about the approach taken by US this year. Note, they got smashed on the lag most times, it's not like it was a lucky run.

Instead, they were doing quantifiable stop shot drills, aka college training nonsense and bringing in a Navy Seal for inspiration.

Sounds like something out of a C grade college movie about a bunch of misfits coming back from behind.

I'd reckon Ahmed from Community would have done better to unify the team and get them playing good pool... perhaps via some Rocky style training. ;-)

I didn't read or see the USA team training by "using quantifiable stop shot drills, aka college training nonsense" so I don't know about that.

But one thing that I noticed is that the European players were more precise not just in lagging but especially in their position play.

The Euro players seemed to get much better shape, more consistently than the American players. As Jaden had mentioned in another thread, the Euro players for the most part, have a shorter back-swing than their American counterparts.

Now I don't presume to know how to play better pool than any of the USA team members, but I was in a position to watch what was happening unencumbered by the pressure of the event and some of the things I saw, gave me pause about the precision of American play versus European play.

I heard my buddy John Schmidt answer Corey Deuel about shape on one particular shape needed. Corey was not sure where John wanted the cue ball to wind up at and John remarked something to the effect that either way Corey wanted to do it was fine with John and John said, "I'll make it work." That kind of talk imo, led to Corey having less than good shape for John to make the next shot and John had to use some side spin to try and get the cue ball back on line and missed the object ball. The miss most likely could have been avoided if Corey would have been asked to place the cue ball in a specific spot, which would have made the pocketing of the object ball, easier for John to make and get shape on the next ball.

Practicing better speed control on fast, NEW CLOTH, under lights (like that of the Mosconi Cup) and more precision in obtaining shape and more precision in thinking in general is what is needed by the USA team for them to compete better.

Again, I'm not foolish enough to think that I play as well as any of them but the European players just have better precision. The Euro players' shorter back-swing most likely helped slow up the speed of the object ball to the pocket and increased their pocketing abilities.

Justin Bergman, was on a roll, playing really well in one particular single match, running out with abandon and put a big stroke on the cue ball. I think he was shooting the 6 ball and tried to go 3 rails with the cue ball using inside follow and a big stroke, but the new cloth didn't allow the cue ball to grip the cloth and the cue ball slid and when it came off the side rail, the cue ball went racing to the side pocket. At the time, I believe the score was tied at 3-3. I don't even remember who he was playing (maybe Niels) but that type of lapse in paying attention to the table conditions cost him this match, imo. Justin would make that shot 10 out of 10 times if he had it to do over again. Again, I think more experience in playing on similar equipment, an increase in precision in everything they do is what is needed for the USA team to compete.

The short races make mistakes very costly and too many of them were made by the American team. The generous pocket size allowed for better pocketing if you prepared by shooting the object balls at slower speeds on fast, slick cloth like they were playing on in the MC.

Overall, it was a great learning experience for me. I enjoyed this Mosconi Cup more than any I have watched in the past.

Our players carried themselves like gentlemen and I'm proud of that. There were some glimpses of superb talent but that talent has to be refined, worked harder and smarter in the months to come.

I'm sure the American players learned a lot as well and I doubt if there will be many excuses and I like it that way. They got beat by the better team and that's all there is to that.

Navy Seals are cool guys and you can learn a lot about competition, honor and discipline from them but if I were the Mosconi Captain, I would HIRE a top Sports Psychologist for all of the USA team nominees and REQUIRE them to pay for a few sessions with him. It is obvious that the European players were in a very different emotional state from the very beginning, all of the way throughout the event and it wasn't just because they were winning.

JoeyA
 
SVB shot selection

Apologies if this is redundant, as I have chosen not to read through all of the thread but...

I caught bits and pieces of the match today and was wondering if there has been any discussion on the last 9 ball Shane missed? That was a super tough shot and I liked banking the ball at a speed to send the cue ball down table and play the 9 short. Basically, a two way shot. At least this way if you miss the bank (SVB is the favorite to make it, probably the same percentage of time he will make the cut) the cue ball and 9 ball are the farthest possible distance from one another. Worst scenario would be to hang the 9, but not probable on those tables.
 
Apologies if this is redundant, as I have chosen not to read through all of the thread but...

I caught bits and pieces of the match today and was wondering if there has been any discussion on the last 9 ball Shane missed? That was a super tough shot and I liked banking the ball at a speed to send the cue ball down table and play the 9 short. Basically, a two way shot. At least this way if you miss the bank (SVB is the favorite to make it, probably the same percentage of time he will make the cut) the cue ball and 9 ball are the farthest possible distance from one another. Worst scenario would be to hang the 9, but not probable on those tables.

Bobby that was my exact thought. I was dumb founded when he tried to cut that ball.
 
Shane didn't seem to be there from jump-street.
AND
Shane wasn't present for any of the "promos" .

just a thought, but did he walk into it unconfident with his team? or did his dog just die...?
i support SVB & am disappointed, but i can't help wondering what was up his butt -

EDIT - i do NOT blame SVB. it was a team effort.
 
Losing the lag hurts. How many times did Europe break and run the first game? Being behind in a short race adds to the pressure. Either way Europe played better, congrats to them.


- EUR won 14 out of 16 lags.

- EUR won the first game 11 out of those 14 times they won the lag; 8 of the 11 were by break and run.

- EUR won the match only 6 times out of the 11 times they won the first game.

- USA won the first game 5 times; they lost all 5 of those matches.
 
There are 2 things in particular that I was thinking about as well.

1.Your direct reference to Bergman with the 3 rail shot and the cue ball sliding causing him to scratch in the side.

There was not only this shot, but what about all the easy kicks USA failed to even get a hit. When you could hear the players talking, they mentioned it was like a skating rink. This has me curious as to what conditions they were practicing on? They know they are going to be playing on new cloth. I'm assuming those tables are diamonds with simonis? I would think at least a week prior to the event they would get a table set up with near identical conditions(maybe this isn't possible from a financial standpoint). Find out in advance exactly what kind of table, rails, cloth, maybe even try to find out roughly what the humidity level will be. Obviously, duplicating the pressure and crowd is near impossible so I'm not sure what to do about that.

2.The reference to hiring a top sports psychologist.

It's possible this wouldn't help, but it definitely couldn't hurt. There have been many professional athletes that have benefited greatly from this. Team Europe outplayed us, but there were several matches that were winnable with 5-3 score lines where it seemed concentration was lost for just a second. Then once Europe won that game the momentum changed and it felt like you could see the writing on the wall for that match. Look at how focused and intense Appleton and Feijen look all the time. You just sense that they are willing to do whatever it takes to win the match. They always look in it even when things aren't going their way and are ready to pounce on any mistake.

Losing 11-5 sucks but all in all, I see it as a rebuilding year and think we did ok in spots and struggled in others. I think Hall played very well. I think Bergman played good in spots(especially with Hall in doubles), but really felt the pressure and had a hard time recovering after a miss or careless mistake. I think both will play a little better if selected next year. Schmidt played phenomenal against Gray and then I don't know what the hell happened after that......That 9ball that schmidt scratched on should never happen ever! He skipped his whole preshot routine and was talking to Hall while down over the shot and took it for granted. That was a huge momentum swing and would have put them up 3-2. Deuel played some really nice safes and won a few games with them, but ultimately wasn't real consistent with shape and missed a few balls he would normally make. He got fortunate though in that a few of the misses he got safe. If I remember correctly on day 1 he had a ball in hand where he hit it so bad Schmidt didn't even really have a shot....Shane I thought played ok in spots. He missed his first easy shot in team play, but after that I thought he ran the balls good(until the last match or two), he just couldn't kick worth shit. It looked to me like most of his misses were semi tough shots. Obviously, he missed a real easy one in the last match but for some reason I think his safety play and kicking was his downfall. He seemed to be breaking good and making the one in the side most of the time, but often didn't have a shot and you could tell he was frustrated with that.

Team Europe has more talent and is a better team. It's a tough task to go to their house or any place and beat them. That's why underdogs win less than half the time, is because they are underdogs. Can we win, yes, but we need to play near flawless while handling pressure that is a different animal that can't be duplicated in normal tournament play imo. I really like what i've seen from Mark Wilson even in a losing effort and hope he's given the chance again next year.

Just my two cents.


I didn't read or see the USA team training by "using quantifiable stop shot drills, aka college training nonsense" so I don't know about that.

But one thing that I noticed is that the European players were more precise not just in lagging but especially in their position play.

The Euro players seemed to get much better shape, more consistently than the American players. As Jaden had mentioned in another thread, the Euro players for the most part, have a shorter back-swing than their American counterparts.

Now I don't presume to know how to play better pool than any of the USA team members, but I was in a position to watch what was happening unencumbered by the pressure of the event and some of the things I saw, gave me pause about the precision of American play versus European play.

I heard my buddy John Schmidt answer Corey Deuel about shape on one particular shape needed. Corey was not sure where John wanted the cue ball to wind up at and John remarked something to the effect that either way Corey wanted to do it was fine with John and John said, "I'll make it work." That kind of talk imo, led to Corey having less than good shape for John to make the next shot and John had to use some side spin to try and get the cue ball back on line and missed the object ball. The miss most likely could have been avoided if Corey would have been asked to place the cue ball in a specific spot, which would have made the pocketing of the object ball, easier for John to make and get shape on the next ball.

Practicing better speed control on fast, NEW CLOTH, under lights (like that of the Mosconi Cup) and more precision in obtaining shape and more precision in thinking in general is what is needed by the USA team for them to compete better.

Again, I'm not foolish enough to think that I play as well as any of them but the European players just have better precision. The Euro players' shorter back-swing most likely helped slow up the speed of the object ball to the pocket and increased their pocketing abilities.

Justin Bergman, was on a roll, playing really well in one particular single match, running out with abandon and put a big stroke on the cue ball. I think he was shooting the 6 ball and tried to go 3 rails with the cue ball using inside follow and a big stroke, but the new cloth didn't allow the cue ball to grip the cloth and the cue ball slid and when it came off the side rail, the cue ball went racing to the side pocket. At the time, I believe the score was tied at 3-3. I don't even remember who he was playing (maybe Niels) but that type of lapse in paying attention to the table conditions cost him this match, imo. Justin would make that shot 10 out of 10 times if he had it to do over again. Again, I think more experience in playing on similar equipment, an increase in precision in everything they do is what is needed for the USA team to compete.

The short races make mistakes very costly and too many of them were made by the American team. The generous pocket size allowed for better pocketing if you prepared by shooting the object balls at slower speeds on fast, slick cloth like they were playing on in the MC.

Overall, it was a great learning experience for me. I enjoyed this Mosconi Cup more than any I have watched in the past.

Our players carried themselves like gentlemen and I'm proud of that. There were some glimpses of superb talent but that talent has to be refined, worked harder and smarter in the months to come.

I'm sure the American players learned a lot as well and I doubt if there will be many excuses and I like it that way. They got beat by the better team and that's all there is to that.

Navy Seals are cool guys and you can learn a lot about competition, honor and discipline from them but if I were the Mosconi Captain, I would HIRE a top Sports Psychologist for all of the USA team nominees and REQUIRE them to pay for a few sessions with him. It is obvious that the European players were in a very different emotional state from the very beginning, all of the way throughout the event and it wasn't just because they were winning.

JoeyA
 
Darren played a 1000 Accu-Stats... great! ...

Nope, not 1.000. Shane pocketed a ball (thin cut on the 1-ball) on his next turn after Darren's safety in Game 3. That's a safety error in computing the Accu-Stats Total Performance Average; so he didn't shoot 1.000. By my reckoning, it was .975 (39 balls pocketed, 1 error).
 
Apologies if this is redundant, as I have chosen not to read through all of the thread but...

I caught bits and pieces of the match today and was wondering if there has been any discussion on the last 9 ball Shane missed? That was a super tough shot and I liked banking the ball at a speed to send the cue ball down table and play the 9 short. Basically, a two way shot. At least this way if you miss the bank (SVB is the favorite to make it, probably the same percentage of time he will make the cut) the cue ball and 9 ball are the farthest possible distance from one another. Worst scenario would be to hang the 9, but not probable on those tables.

On new cloth, the cut makes more sense...
...new cloth makes the pocket soft.
...new cloth makes banks hard to judge.

When the cloth has many playing hours....the bank then makes more sense than the cut.
 
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