Mosconi review

Roy Steffensen

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Ok. This will be the last Mosconi Cup thread from me this year :)

To stay serious for atleast 22 seconds. I think this article by Alex Lely, and the article by Jerry Forsyth on AZ frontpage, "Nearing the end", really sums up the difference by the two teams this year.

As most of you understand, I am a fan of pool. Not only European pool, or Filipino-pool. I like good pool when I see it. I don't dislike Team USA, and I really want America to rice and shine again when it comes to pool. Two of my all-time favourite players are Keith McCready and Earl Strickland. But when it comes to Mosconi Cup, I will always root for Team Europe. I have watched the Mosconi Cup live on tv the last 5 years, and I have thought it was the best pooltournament and poolshow there is, even when Europe lost.

Back to the purpose of this thread. As I said, the articles sums up the difference in how America and Europe looks at pool. The Europeans go to the gym, eats healthy food etc. to stay in perfect shape for their matches. As an example players like Niels Feijen, Jasmin Ouschan etc always goes very early to bed during tournaments, and wakes up early, atleast several hours before their matches.

Netherland was a "nobody" in European pool 10 years ago. Then Rico Diks won the European Championships, and soon players as Alex Lely, Niels Feijen, Nick van den Berg and Huidji See entered the arena, with lots of youngsters coming up. In Netherland they threat pool as any other sport, and they have a coach, Johan R, travelling with the dutch players on all Eurotours, World Championships etc. Even if they play individual tournaments, they normally eat breakfast together, watch their matches etc, and help supporting eachother.

Many European countries have started to copy the German and Dutch style, and I think that it will give an edge to Europe for many years to come.

Hopefully America can find a way to change this, and I wish that players from America also can get a monthly paycheck from their national Olympic Commitee, just like the best players in Netherland.

Anyway, here's the article:

Written by Alex Lely, European coach:

Europe has defended the Mosconi Cup against charges from the battle-tested team USA. It were four long days, but an evening session on sunday was never needed...endscore:11-5!! Team Europe controlled the whole tournament, from beginning, middle and end. They plays like champions seizing control on day one and never granting USA any momentum.

One time, on day two, team USA looked like winning their first session. Mark Grey and Mika Immonen were down 4-1 in a race to five, It seemed that USA were about to narrow the marging to a one point difference: 6-5.

The Europeans kept cool though. They clinched that match from the claws of defeat, thereby taking a 7-4 lead. In hindsight, team USA never recovered from that. Europe kept the pressure on them and with every rack played, the Atmerican players looked more beat.

The strategy for Europe was easy. Souquet and Feijen were unbeatable as a pairing, coming back from 3-1 down twice. After this they really got going and played the best doubles pool, many spectators will ever witness...textbook perfect, spot-on cueball control and shotmaking from another planet. Feijen made some great smooth but long stroke shots where the objectball never hit the rail, going in as clean as you'll ever see. And Ralf...Ralf is just the leader of the troops. This man is so good under pressure and the pairing of him with Niels was just a nightmare for the Americans...it really broke their spine.

Captain Alex lely:"They were my stormtroopers. Solid as a rock, cool as ice, fierce and ruthless as mercenaries. Holy cow, it was a treat to watch these two double up. Mika Immonen, of course, came to Malta cruising on the waves of victory, winning the US- and Japan Open within a month. He was another powerhouse taking care of the backend of each session. Where Ralf and Niels seized momentum, Mika was the man to secure it whenever it seemed to tilt. Of course his doubles match with Mark Grey, winning to go up 7-4 after trailing 4-1, was awesome. Mark Grey had lost two previous doubles matches, but was by no means responsible for those losses. He looked good all time he was out there and i really wanted to grant him a singles match. It's just that Ralf, Niels and Mika were so good, it did not seem the best choice for the team. Apart from his presence when in the the arena, he contributed greatly to the team spirit. He was enjoying it and with his genuine enthusiasm and headstrong attitude really made a big contribution in upholding the spirit in the practice-room. Tony Drago was struggling during the tournament. He had of course the pressure of last years dynamite-performance in Vegas to repeat and to be playing in front of his fellow countrymen. He was on fire in one match, the ones that witnessed will surely never forget. He had Strickland against the wall, 4-1 up in 14 minutes (including commercial breaks). He had the eye, he walked the walk. It was not to be. Earl really came back in Strickland-style, stealing that point with a 5-4 score. After that we knew that we had to stick to Mika for the singles. But bear in mind that even when a player is not scoring points for the team, he still is great value...and that, is where Tony will never falter...joking, energetic...we couldn't have done it without him".

When peaking into the two practice rooms, one could see a clear distinction in style. The USA-room had Pizza-Hut boxes, McDonalds-junk and empty coke cans on the floor. The European room was clean, with tea and coffee, fruit, nuts, raisins and sandwiches in the afternoon. Team Europe was a unit. Six man on a mission, having breakfast, lunch and dinner together. All have spent time in the gym this week (yes, also Tony). As fatiguing as it sometimes might have been, they were all aware of the necessity. The focus was on team, commitment, patience and disciplin.
 
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Roy Steffensen said:
Ok. This will be the last Mosconi Cup thread from me this year :)

I had to go to work and noticed the other one was deleted. I guess we all got carried away.

That said, congratulations, Roy, to Team Europe. I am happy that it brought you joy! :smile:
 
Here is the article from Jerry Forsyth:

Mosconi Cup - Nearing The End
Saturday morning brought a gorgeous day to Malta. The sun perfectly balances the cool of the air, a nice yin and yang combo that invites leisurely walks along the shore. The surf has now calmed and the Mediterranean is as smooth as a teacup. The ships that constantly pass create the only waves. But there are lots of waves in the tournament room. Saturday saw the virtual destruction of the American hopes for victory. As the losses mounted so did the tension on the US team and he day gradually descended into bickering and even tantrums.

The American side just never gelled as a team this year. While the Europeans were always together as a team, moving as a single unit, the Americans were a band of individuals who went their own ways. Only rarely were two or more of them spotted together outside of the practice room. Every morning at breakfast the Euros sat together and lightened one another's spirits. The yanks sat at separate tables from one another and groused. Scapegoats are being sought. Everyone and everything is being blamed for the now critical 9-5 score-line. The pockets are too big. The crowd is too rude. The Euro's do not show the proper respect. Excuses all. Champions like these are expected to find ways to win, not reasons to lose.

The days of American domination of the Cup are over. The European players have, over the course of the last three years, proven themselves to be the new royalty of pool. They own all of the major championships in 2008 and, while the yanks like to say they will take on any of them, are no longer willing to occupy the back seat of the game. While the rest of the world learned this game from the Americans, we are now in a situation where the pupil has surpassed the teacher. It is time for bravado to be banished and a new discipline to rise or the Mosconi Cup could find itself overseas for a very long time to come.

There are only six matches left to be played. The American side must win them all to take the cup while the Euro's need only two. If the Americans cannot find a way to replace their emotion with determination then it could be a very early evening indeed.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
what made the last thread get blowed-up?;)

JAM said:
I had to go to work and noticed the other one was deleted. I guess we all got carried away.

That said, congratulations, Roy, to Team Europe. I am happy that it brought you joy!

I also noticed that there were atleast 10-20 more posts in that thread, and that it was now deleted. Oh well... I didn't think any of us went over the line, it was just "friendly" woofing after the worlds most exciting tournament. It made me look forward to next year for sure :D

Wish Team USA good luck next year, but still hope you lose badly :D (Europe lost 12-1 one year, and Ralf said he wanted revenge on that one)

Be prepared for another European invasion of Vegas. Once again it will be an exciting event for sure!
 
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I don't think anyone should take a win/lose personally to the point where you knock euros or americans.

One year, we crush, one year they crush... what's the difference. When we win, we gloat and brag / talk a lotta smack. When they win, they do the same. When you win, you earn the right to lip-off. That's what makes winning fun, and what motivates the loser to not lose next time.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I don't think anyone should take a win/lose personally to the point where you knock euros or americans.

One year, we crush, one year they crush... what's the difference. When we win, we gloat and brag / talk a lotta smack. When they win, they do the same. When you win, you earn the right to lip-off. That's what makes winning fun, and what motivates the loser to not lose next time.

I agree with everything you say, except when they target one player, time and time and time and time and time and time and time again.
 
I love pool but
In the USA there are..
NFL
NBA
MLB
NHL
GOLF
Tennis
Pool isnt even on the chart...I'm glad for europe but what else is there besides soccer and cricket there:grin-square:
Pool is a bar sport now here in the USA and wish it was different but professional pool players have a very hard time here in the usa.JMO
 
JAM said:
I agree with everything you say, except when they target one player, time and time and time and time and time and time and time again.

Everyone knows I'm Earl's biggest fan here on AZB. No one roots for Earl more than I do. You have to "understand" why they antagonize Earl. No one is accusing Earl of having "Jack Nicklaus" composure. They know he's unstable so they "poke the tiger through the cage" and the tiger always goes-off. I LOOOOOOVE Earl... .but he makes himself a target. JAM, you HAVE to admit that.

I root for Earl because people hate him. I root for Earl because when people shark him, and he WINS, there's nooooooothing like it in the pool world. He's the best. Reminds me of Keith in many ways, as far as how the chirping goes when the winning comes hard ;)
 
How about leaving Earl out of the discussion this time.

I am curious to know if people think that the text I have made red and bold in those two articles can be the major difference from these(last year too) tournaments?
 
i think the biggest difference was not necessarily the room being a mess and eating a bit of junk food, but more so the lack of team spirit and drive. i'm a pretty vocal supporter of USA in the mosconi cup - i don't class myself as European and all my favourite players and idols are American mainly. But one thing the Euros definitely had America beat on was desire - team europe wanted it more. USA needs to gee themselves up for it more and want it, even if the format and the way it's run is flawed.

It all came down to spirit and desire tbh. It's nothing to do with this 'US pool is dying and European players are so much more dominant' rubbish. Even if that was the case, the format (races to five in nine ball) cancels out any skill advantage anyone would have over the other.

I love pool but
In the USA there are..
NFL
NBA
MLB
NHL
GOLF
Tennis
Pool isnt even on the chart...I'm glad for europe but what else is there besides soccer and cricket there
Pool is a bar sport now here in the USA and wish it was different but professional pool players have a very hard time here in the usa.JMO

whilst cricket is a pile of crap sport, football is the other greatest game in the world! Have a bit of respect for the beautiful game man!
 
May sound weird, but I have to wonder if the fact that the Euros are from different countries helps them gel better. Germans, Dutch, Brits, etc. Perhaps they're more open-minded and accepting of each other than the Americans. Plus they travel to the US and Asia together whereas Americans players rarely leave the US it seems.

Who knows? We got our butts kicked again.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Everyone knows I'm Earl's biggest fan here on AZB. No one roots for Earl more than I do. You have to "understand" why they antagonize Earl. No one is accusing Earl of having "Jack Nicklaus" composure. They know he's unstable so they "poke the tiger through the cage" and the tiger always goes-off. I LOOOOOOVE Earl... .but he makes himself a target. JAM, you HAVE to admit that.

I root for Earl because people hate him. I root for Earl because when people shark him, and he WINS, there's nooooooothing like it in the pool world. He's the best. Reminds me of Keith in many ways, as far as how the chirping goes when the winning comes hard ;)

Exactly, its fun poking the rabid tiger with a stick and seeing his reaction. Its easy to do. The reaction is entertaining. If Earl didn't lose his cool so easily, these outburst would happen much less. Just the nature of the beast.
 
The major differnce between the two teams this year was team spirit. Whereas in past years the USA have had it in abundance, this year it was non existent.
The pattern was set on Day One with Earl abusing one of his own supporters whilst mumbling "I'm here on my own". Nick Varner, for all his experience, was never able to rein him in.
Rodney Morris has two lovely children and a beautiful wife and Shane was accompanied by his girl friend. This proved too much of a distraction to then both and prevented the close bonding that had been the US hallmark.
Jeremy is not quite world class and Johnny Archer's spark did not ignite in this atmosphere.

With the luxury of two World Champions unable ti make the team Europe opted for experience and Niels, Ralf and Mika came with an impressive list of titles under their belt this year.

Alex Lely did a good job of moulding them together but it wasn't all that hard to motivate them was it Alex?
 
Sorry, but your argument does not make sense to me.
Ralf was accompanied by his wife, Mika by his girl friend and Tony was on observance by his mum. Still Ralf was able to score 5 out of 5, Mika 5 out of 6, only Tony could not score a point with his mum watching him... :grin:

Don't think the ladies can be used as an excuse for missing Team spirit at all.
 
PD0274 said:
Sorry, but your argument does not make sense to me.
Ralf was accompanied by his wife, Mika by his girl friend and Tony was on observance by his mum. Still Ralf was able to score 5 out of 5, Mika 5 out of 6, only Tony could not score a point with his mum watching him... :grin:

Don't think the ladies can be used as an excuse for missing Team spirit at all.

If you were there, as I presume you were, then I expect that you could notice the difference in mood between the two dressing rooms. I spent some time in both camps and their respective body language was entirely different.
 
pro9dg said:
If you were there, as I presume you were, then I expect that you could notice the difference in mood between the two dressing rooms. I spent some time in both camps and their respective body language was entirely different.

Well, truth be told, I heard it through the grapevine (reliable source) that the last three Mosconi Cups did not find Team USA with a strong spirit of unison.

Some competitors seemed more interested in chasing tails, on the dice table and off the dice table. One member was taking strong medication, causing their personality to change, and it was not Earl. Some members lodged far away from the venue, not showing up for practice sessions on time, sometimes not at all. Some members spent more time in their hotel rooms entertaining, than working on team strategies. One captain, it was said to me, was only selected as a captain to satisfy one member's disdain for another member.

It is true that if Team USA has no spirit or gumption to win, then they should not come out the victors.

I will still root for the home team, with all their warts. I appreciate Matchroom Sports making this event happen. I know in these tough economic times, to keep this going strong, it takes a lot of effort.

Maybe next year, things will be better for Team USA. The member selection is one area which needs improvement. Without a professional tour in America, it leaves the ranking system of the BCA. I don't have good thoughts about the BCA, and so I will just leave it at that.

Of course, there could be an American voting mechanism utilized to see who should qualify to be a member of Team USA, but if it's anything like Hall of Fame selections, based on who knows who, who's friends with who, or who sells the most product for an industry member, then that ain't no good either.

With Team Europe, it seems that a strong member from each country is on the team. With Team America, the selection process seems flawed.

What do others think?
 
In Europe, EPBF have made a deal with Matchroom what 5 players will represent Team Europe.

Player 1 has to be the leader of the Eurotour ranking in end of September each year.

Player 2, 3 and 4 have to be ranked top 16 on the Eurotour ranking when the team is chosen.

Player 5 is totally up to Matchroom Sports - a wild card



Player 1 this year - Mark Gray (currently ranked 11)

Player 2, 3 and 4 was Ralf Souquet, Niels Feijen and Tony Drago. (Currently ranked 1, 2 and 4.)

Player 5, Mika Immonen. He won the US Open, and doesn't compete much on the eurotour. Winning a major title and sneak in as the wild card was his only chance of being selected.
 
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pro9dg said:
Rodney Morris has two lovely children and a beautiful wife and Shane was accompanied by his girl friend. This proved too much of a distraction to then both and prevented the close bonding that had been the US hallmark.

No Question at all, Team spirit could not be more different but all I am saying is that this can not be explained with the presence of wifes or girl friends, as you stated above.
 
JAM said:
Maybe next year, things will be better for Team USA. The member selection is one area which needs improvement. Without a professional tour in America, it leaves the ranking system of the BCA. I don't have good thoughts about the BCA, and so I will just leave it at that.

What do others think?

Well Jen, Who would you pick?

How about Shane van Boening, Jon Schmidt, Kid Delicious, Charlie Bryant and Max Eberle plus non playing captain Keith McCready
 
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