"Mr. 625" vs. "Mr. 5-time"..??

[pt109]

True, many elite players never win a WC. But NO elite players from any era have ever had a recorded 626!

Seriously, it almost becomes a strange discussion, like who was better at their sport between Tiger and Jordan or something. Fortunately there is room in this world for more than one meaningful accomplishment.

I like how JS gave credit to other top players' potential and didn't pronounce himself the greatest, yet I think time will prove this to be a pretty serious accomplishment and one of the highlight moments from this decade.

What a quandary Garczar has put me in....626, Daz’s competitive 200, or a world title.
...I’m a bit greedy, I’d like them all.

A world title is forever, no one can take it from you.

I have high value for a competitive run, you NEED every ball...on the other hand...
..as Tin Man points out, your opponent can miss if you fail to finish.

For the 626, the ghost never misses...but he’ll give you lots of tries.

:shrug::indecisive::scratchhead::thud:

I’m gonna have a nap

 

[Michael Andros]

Not me. Winning five WC's playing a variety of opponents(who fire back, btw) is a lot bigger deal. Running 625, ooops 626, is huge but how many swings at it did it take? Guess the winner here is 14.1 cause its been dead-as-HulaHoop for some time. Now we're all debating it.

'Ladeeeeeeeezzzzz and Gentulmenzz!!! Hailing from Parts Unknown, weight unknown, The Former Champ and now, once again CURRENT CHAMPEEN of da WOILD, the winnnnerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr izzzzzzz 14.1 Continuous!!! Also known as STRAIGHT POOL!!!

( crowd goes CRAZY )


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[WildWing]

I think winning even one sanctioned world championship is a greater feat than running 626.

The sanctioned world championship is forgotten very quickly, whether it is the rare straight pool tournament, or nine ball. This high run of John's is being recounted, analyzed, criticized, and praised in many threads at once. And we haven't even seen the video yet. You have posted at a frenzied rate to put it in perspective and qualify your thoughts continuously. Must be important.

Me, I'll take the long run. This forum already shows that it's more important. It'll probably be documented in the Guiness Book of World Records, as well as the BCA rule book, assuming they will do so.

There is already a thread on how someone else will try to beat it. I don't recall so many upstart posts on other tournaments.

Like it or hate it, John has the stage at the moment. Not so much, the past world championships, however they are defined. And I can go back in the old rule books and recite them, but they're not the subject at present.

All the best,
WW

 

[garczar]

I personally believe that the European 14.1 Championships features a tougher field than anything we've seen in America in a few years.

No doubt. 14.1 in Europe is quite popular. A lot of the German Bundesliga players are world class or real close to it. Great responses by all.

 

[realkingcobra]

It's all about personal accomplishment, John wanted to see.if he played well enough to beat the record, not for money, or fame, but just 5o see if he could, and like the little red caboose, he kept trying and trying and trying, until one day....he finally not only broke the record, he pushed it even further out of reach from anyone else trying to now break HIS record. But really, how many top players have tried to break that record, was it even worth breaking, what's it worth if they did break it? John did it for free, but I'm sure that if there was a $100,000 reward to break JOHN'S record, that would bring VALUE to the table, and JOHN once again, would set out to break even his OWN record, only problem is, he wouldn't be ALONE in that quest to set a new world 14.1 high run record....then what would everyone be talking about....world championships, or who to bet on to break JOHN'S RECORD OF 626???

 

[realkingcobra]

Now, let's say the world of elite players was given a 90 day time frame to collect that reward, but no one cashes in...what then would that say about John's accomplishment?

 

[lfigueroa]

Which do you think is a larger accomplishment: JS's running 625 to beat WM by 100 or Thorsten's 5 World titles? Just curious. I have my opinion on this and would like to hear other's takes.

Clearly, winning championships against the best of your generation must be the superior accomplishment by a far stretch.

Locking yourself up in a room, with ideal conditions and equipment, for months, to break a record the guy who set it didn't even care about would be a much lesser accomplishment.

Lou Figueroa

 

[mikemosconi]

Clearly, winning championships against the best of your generation must be the superior accomplishment by a far stretch.

Locking yourself up in a room, with ideal conditions and equipment, for months, to break a record the guy who set it didn't even care about would be a much lesser accomplishment.

Lou Figueroa

I think this post sums up very nicely, what, over the next few months,after all the hype has died down, people "in the know" within the billiards world will come to terms with. Willie Mosconi was never referred to as Mr. 500. He never mentioned the run unless he was asked about it. He never really cared about it from the point of view of advancing his already proven living legendary status as the greatest pocket billiard competitor of all time. He only showed up the night he ran 526 because IT WAS HIS JOB. The next night he showed up in another city, to do another exhibition, because it was HOW HE SUPPORTED his family. He would have given up that 526 run in a heartbeat if instead, he was offered a chance to COMPETE for a World Title in that year or any other if no World 14.1 championship was being scheduled. Why anyone would want to hole themselves up for months at a time to "BREAK" a NON COMPETITIVE Sports record is still beyond my comprehension, my guess is that is why EVERY other GREAT 14.1 player who ever existed since the 526 run never even bothered to try and do what John did in terms of time and effort.

 

[realkingcobra]

I think this post sums up very nicely, what, over the next few months,after all the hype has died down, people "in the know" within the billiards world will come to terms with. Willie Mosconi was never referred to as Mr. 500. He never mentioned the run unless he was asked about it. He never really cared about it from the point of view of advancing his already proven living legendary status as the greatest pocket billiard competitor of all time. He only showed up the night he ran 526 because IT WAS HIS JOB. The next night he showed up in another city, to do another exhibition, because it was HOW HE SUPPORTED his family. He would have given up that 526 run in a heartbeat if instead, he was offered a chance to COMPETE for a World Title in that year or any other if no World 14.1 championship was being scheduled. Why anyone would want to hole themselves up for months at a time to "BREAK" a NON COMPETITIVE Sports record is still beyond my comprehension, my guess is that is why EVERY other GREAT 14.1 player who ever existed since the 526 run never even bothered to try and do what John did in terms of time and effort.

And yet, the pool playing world degrades Willy Mosconi's name by putting his name on a tournament at the end of every year called the "Mosconi Cup" that has absolutely nothing to do with his historical world championships at 14.1 and the games played in his name, he actually had NO respect for....figure that one out! Why isn't the world 14.1 championships played for the coveted "Mosconi Cup"??????

 

[MattPoland]

And yet, the pool playing world degrades Willy Mosconi's name by putting his name on a tournament at the end of every year called the "Mosconi Cup" that has absolutely nothing to do with his historical world championships at 14.1 and the games played in his name, he actually had NO respect for....figure that one out! Why isn't the world 14.1 championships played for the coveted "Mosconi Cup"??????

Times change. At least “Mr. Pocket Billiards” has his name on today’s most popular professional pocket billiards game.


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[Tin Man]

the record

I think this post sums up very nicely, what, over the next few months,after all the hype has died down, people "in the know" within the billiards world will come to terms with. Willie Mosconi was never referred to as Mr. 500. He never mentioned the run unless he was asked about it. He never really cared about it from the point of view of advancing his already proven living legendary status as the greatest pocket billiard competitor of all time. He only showed up the night he ran 526 because IT WAS HIS JOB. The next night he showed up in another city, to do another exhibition, because it was HOW HE SUPPORTED his family. He would have given up that 526 run in a heartbeat if instead, he was offered a chance to COMPETE for a World Title in that year or any other if no World 14.1 championship was being scheduled. Why anyone would want to hole themselves up for months at a time to "BREAK" a NON COMPETITIVE Sports record is still beyond my comprehension, my guess is that is why EVERY other GREAT 14.1 player who ever existed since the 526 run never even bothered to try and do what John did in terms of time and effort.

It's because every time someone plays straight pool there is a 'high run' number out there that defines what we consider to be the limit of performance. The best players in the world are competitive and want to test themselves against this limit to see if they can overcome it. We've already heard responses from other pros indicating they might respond to the challenge. Whether they make the sacrifice to do so or not, it's clear that it sparks their sense of competition. The sake of setting a goal to see if they can accomplish it.

When you get down to it, that's why we all play. I mean, most people would think we're crazy to lock ourselves in a room for a week shooting balls into a hole for a chance at a title.

 

[lfigueroa]

And yet, the pool playing world degrades Willy Mosconi's name by putting his name on a tournament at the end of every year called the "Mosconi Cup" that has absolutely nothing to do with his historical world championships at 14.1 and the games played in his name, he actually had NO respect for....figure that one out! Why isn't the world 14.1 championships played for the coveted "Mosconi Cup"??????

Because Matchroom bought the rights from Mosconi’s widow?

Lou Figueroa
purely a guess

 

[realkingcobra]

Willy Mosconi never won a world 9 ball championship, Earl Strickland won it 6 times, shouldn't the cup be the "Strickland Cup" of 9 ball?

 

[lfigueroa]

Willy Mosconi never won a world 9 ball championship, Earl Strickland won it 6 times, shouldn't the cup be the "Strickland Cup" of 9 ball?

Ask MR.

Lou Figueroa

 

[Island Drive]

And yet, the pool playing world degrades Willy Mosconi's name by putting his name on a tournament at the end of every year called the "Mosconi Cup" that has absolutely nothing to do with his historical world championships at 14.1 and the games played in his name, he actually had NO respect for....figure that one out! Why isn't the world 14.1 championships played for the coveted "Mosconi Cup"??????

Really....degrades....??????????????????????????????..........miscue from my point of view on your viewpoint.

Mosconi Cup represents America, by it's name alone.

You, choosing this moment in time to twist his accomplishment, I have no idea why you would even want to ''sling'' mud, when something like this can ONLY help create interest in a world fixated on hand held devices. I wish I could write/explain better to get my point across. But slinging mud at this moment, makes me never want to recommend your great skills to another.

 

[realkingcobra]

Really....degrades....??????????????????????????????..........miscue from my point of view on your viewpoint.

Mosconi Cup represents America, by it's name alone.

You, choosing this moment in time to twist his accomplishment, I have no idea why you would even want to ''sling'' mud, when something like this can ONLY help create interest in a world fixated on hand held devices. I wish I could write/explain better to get my point across. But slinging mud at this moment, makes me never want to recommend your great skills to another.

Willy has publicly expressed his views on 9 ball, and his lack of interest in playing it whatsoever....and you see nothing wrong with using his name to promote the game of 9 ball, OVER the game he loved to play, and won 15 world championships playing it??? Whatever!!!

 

[SBC]

Why people here...who mostly couldn't approach 100 ball high runs...need to knock John Schmidt.

Just recognize his accomplishment and leave it at that.

 

[realkingcobra]

Why people here...who mostly couldn't approach 100 ball high runs...need to knock John Schmidt.

Just recognize his accomplishment and leave it at that.

Because that would be the respectable thing to do, and in case you haven't figured it out yet, that crowd for the most part is what's left of AZB!!

 

[JoeyInCali]

Why people here...who mostly couldn't approach 100 ball high runs...need to knock John Schmidt.

Just recognize his accomplishment and leave it at that.

Must be the same crowd he kept using 526 as a great long standing record.
Many have argued 526 stood for so long because the pros no longer play that game that much and that nobody gets paid to tour the country to play 14.1.

Then comes JS. He does it on his dime and time. Who knows how many countless failures there were in his attempt to break 526 ?

Now that he's killed 526, they're trying to downplay it and diss John instead.

 

[realkingcobra]

.....makes me never want to recommend your great skills to another.

Please don't, I can't keep up with the work I have now, and besides that, I'm retiring at the end of the year!!