My aiming system is guessing....who use the Guessing System?

Its called memory. Some players have better memory of the shot available from experience.


SVB has no memory when his ear piece failed and he couldnt hear over the crowd he played unassisted.
 
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Try it. Otherwise, it's not worth a DAM! Nor is DAM worth anything on its own. :ROFLMAO: And always remember...stay centered
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When I approach a shot I look where I need to hit the object ball and how the impact affects the cue ball. I bend down look, stroke it a few times and shoot.

No looking at ghost ball or lines or any other principle applied.

I call it the guessing system but what system would this be? I don't use any other principles except to see where I need to hit and hit it.
Basically sounds like a trial and error aiming system learned and honed in from lots of practice. Your brain / memory has recorded data from pocketed shots / overcuts and undercuts.
 
I call bs...

If you look at the object ball and the pocket at any point, then you've instinctively developed a path (line) you want the ob to follow. Just because you haven't envisioned an imaginary red line to the pocket, doesn't mean you haven't developed that line (path) in which you want to the ob to follow.

I also think everyone is kidding themselves if they claim that don't envision a 'ghost ball' contact before pulling the trigger. You may not adhere to the ghost ball methodology, but you still are directing the CB toward the OB. Pretending that you don't imagine how the CB will strike the OB before pulling the trigger is either comical or a glaring error.

I know there are systems out there that do not rely on the above, but that's doesn't mean you don't do those things in happenstance.

Flame on
CG gets you the ghost ball although not in terms of an apparition. It supplies the actual base of the ghost ball along with other stable references. I call it socketing the cue ball.
 
So aiming at something you can see, the contact point on OB, is “guessing” while aiming at an imaginary ball, the ghost ball, is a “system” … hmmm
 
I use a sophisticated system developed before the internet existed, The P&H System. With no mentor and no internet to confuse me I was left with the ghost ball theory some advocated but didn't work all that well. Finally I took a few months of trial and error to be able to visualize the back side of the cue ball I couldn't see hitting the object ball.

"Equal opposites" is much the same but doesn't seem to delve into the occult quite as deeply as my aiming system. I tried to flesh out the back side of the cue ball in my mind's eye. When I would miss a shot in practice I would make guesses and new attempts until I had the portion of the cue ball involved in contact on that shot right then resume practice until I missed another shot due to aiming error. "Lather, rinse, and repeat". If it seems tedious that is because it was. Bit by bit I was completing the surface of the cue ball I couldn't see though. This went on for months and hundreds of hours. Finally I could see the entire blind side of the cue ball accurately in my mind's eye.

I wasn't ready to reveal my aiming secret to the world so when asked about aiming I always replied that I used the P&H method. I have found Poke and Hope to be as effective as any other aiming system.

Hu
 
I use a sophisticated system developed before the internet existed, The P&H System. With no mentor and no internet to confuse me I was left with the ghost ball theory some advocated but didn't work all that well. Finally I took a few months of trial and error to be able to visualize the back side of the cue ball I couldn't see hitting the object ball.

"Equal opposites" is much the same but doesn't seem to delve into the occult quite as deeply as my aiming system. I tried to flesh out the back side of the cue ball in my mind's eye. When I would miss a shot in practice I would make guesses and new attempts until I had the portion of the cue ball involved in contact on that shot right then resume practice until I missed another shot due to aiming error. "Lather, rinse, and repeat". If it seems tedious that is because it was. Bit by bit I was completing the surface of the cue ball I couldn't see though. This went on for months and hundreds of hours. Finally I could see the entire blind side of the cue ball accurately in my mind's eye.

I wasn't ready to reveal my aiming secret to the world so when asked about aiming I always replied that I used the P&H method. I have found Poke and Hope to be as effective as any other aiming system.

Hu
I use a mechanical drawing trick which I have freely divulged here but I'll STFU if that's too close to your private reserve. :D

I think there might be. I recently saw Ralph Ekhart, don't remember where, pretty sure it was here. He says "picture the shot, make it happen". Alah, Jack Nicklaus.
Ah yes but that can apply to anything you have taught yourself to see.
 
I use a mechanical drawing trick which I have freely divulged here but I'll STFU if that's too close to your private reserve. :D


Ah yes but that can apply to anything you have taught yourself to see.


What I did involved a lot of work, something most pool players have a severe adverse reaction to. I could put it on billboards and it wouldn't matter.

As a fellow mechanical draftsman long retired I suspect that you may be thinking about parallel lines. Using a straight edge, even a pool stick is close enough, it is possible to shift a line to another location much like we did with two triangles. Not with the exact precision of the triangles but closely enough.

Unless I am being tongue in cheek I don't claim title to any method. If I consider something confidential, it is somebody else's secret I have promised not to disclose. I used to think it hilarious all the secrets circle track racers thought they held. Somebody would swear me to secrecy then tell me something that was common knowledge, often recently published in books or magazines.

One of my better "secrets" with cars was published in one of the big newsstand magazines. It didn't matter, you had to be willing to risk an engine to learn it worked. Somebody bought one of my engines after I had sold it and it passed through several hands. They decided to freshen it up. After racing with no issues for several seasons the engine came apart running in their shop at a fast idle. Burned up the rod bearings.

If one person has a secret it is a secret. Two people, maybe but you are on shaky ground. Three people share a secret and you might as well tell it to the world!

Hu
 
What I did involved a lot of work, something most pool players have a severe adverse reaction to. I could put it on billboards and it wouldn't matter.

As a fellow mechanical draftsman long retired I suspect that you may be thinking about parallel lines. Using a straight edge, even a pool stick is close enough, it is possible to shift a line to another location much like we did with two triangles. Not with the exact precision of the triangles but closely enough.

Unless I am being tongue in cheek I don't claim title to any method. If I consider something confidential, it is somebody else's secret I have promised not to disclose. I used to think it hilarious all the secrets circle track racers thought they held. Somebody would swear me to secrecy then tell me something that was common knowledge, often recently published in books or magazines.

One of my better "secrets" with cars was published in one of the big newsstand magazines. It didn't matter, you had to be willing to risk an engine to learn it worked. Somebody bought one of my engines after I had sold it and it passed through several hands. They decided to freshen it up. After racing with no issues for several seasons the engine came apart running in their shop at a fast idle. Burned up the rod bearings.

If one person has a secret it is a secret. Two people, maybe but you are on shaky ground. Three people share a secret and you might as well tell it to the world!

Hu
Actually it's an equatorial ellipse.
 
if not Using a system means I’m guessing I get more right then the guess your weight dude at the carnival lol I’m right …a lot. 😄 but hey to each their own. I started using a banking system a few months a go that has increased my banking pots 10 fold so I won’t judge. You do you.
 
When I approach a shot I look where I need to hit the object ball and how the impact affects the cue ball. I bend down look, stroke it a few times and shoot.

No looking at ghost ball or lines or any other principle applied.

I call it the guessing system but what system would this be? I don't use any other principles except to see where I need to hit and hit it.
The only downside to this system is that it takes most people about 20 years to get somewhat proficient at it.
 
When I approach a shot I look where I need to hit the object ball and how the impact affects the cue ball. I bend down look, stroke it a few times and shoot.

No looking at ghost ball or lines or any other principle applied.

I call it the guessing system but what system would this be? I don't use any other principles except to see where I need to hit and hit it.
Rote?
 
It's often called aiming "by feel" - you learn through practice to recognize the CB/OB picture needed for the shot. All aiming, with or without a system, includes some "feel".
What is "feel" specifically? Unsure? Doubt? What do I do now? Where and how do I do it?

Are there any shots on the table (not hangers on the edge of the pocket) that don't require any feel? And if so, what is done to line the shot up?

Any reason why this thread wasn't moved to the Aiming Forum?
 
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I use a sophisticated system developed before the internet existed, The P&H System. With no mentor and no internet to confuse me I was left with the ghost ball theory some advocated but didn't work all that well. Finally I took a few months of trial and error to be able to visualize the back side of the cue ball I couldn't see hitting the object ball.

"Equal opposites" is much the same but doesn't seem to delve into the occult quite as deeply as my aiming system. I tried to flesh out the back side of the cue ball in my mind's eye. When I would miss a shot in practice I would make guesses and new attempts until I had the portion of the cue ball involved in contact on that shot right then resume practice until I missed another shot due to aiming error. "Lather, rinse, and repeat". If it seems tedious that is because it was. Bit by bit I was completing the surface of the cue ball I couldn't see though. This went on for months and hundreds of hours. Finally I could see the entire blind side of the cue ball accurately in my mind's eye.

I wasn't ready to reveal my aiming secret to the world so when asked about aiming I always replied that I used the P&H method. I have found Poke and Hope to be as effective as any other aiming system.

Hu
this sounds similar to joe tuckers aiming by the numbers
where the table has numbered zones
the system comes with an object ball with numbers you place facing you oriented in the way joe describes
and a cue ball with similar numbers you place so they are on the the back side of the cue ball
if you are in the 3 zone for example
you have to make the 3 on the back of the cue ball hit the 3 on the front of the object ball
 
Maybe a straight shot (center to center) - even a half ball shot (center to edge) takes some feel to know when it’s the right shot.
With a straight shot, there's no "maybe" about it. If a player can't see that CCB lined up to COB to center pocket is dead on...they need to take up another game or sport.
I think the other shot would be an extreme eighty some degree shot where the CB edge has to skin the OB edge. There is no doubt or feel about it. The aim/alignment/stroke all have to be dead on or it will be missed.

So, let's talk contact points. I've used that for more years than anything else as you do. Simple to find on the OB. Stand behind
the OB in a straight line to the pocket (like the dead straight in shot)...keep your eye on it while going back behind the CB and line up the equal and opposite spot on the CB...and make the stroke. Is that about the same way you see it?

Is there "feel" in doing that? If so, where and why?
 
If I asked you to tell me what 1' is (or 1") most would say "about that much," and be fairly close.....If I asked you to cut a board 1' long or 1" by guessing where to cut....very few would get it exactly right....The good news is...you don't have to be exactly right in most cases to pocket a ball...For those shots that require exact precision to make ...it is good to have some sort of ruler to sharpen your guess(feel) for the shot.
 
With a straight shot, there's no "maybe" about it. If a player can't see that CCB lined up to COB to center pocket is dead on...they need to take up another game or sport.
I think the other shot would be an extreme eighty some degree shot where the CB edge has to skin the OB edge. There is no doubt or feel about it. The aim/alignment/stroke all have to be dead on or it will be missed.

So, let's talk contact points. I've used that for more years than anything else as you do. Simple to find on the OB. Stand behind
the OB in a straight line to the pocket (like the dead straight in shot)...keep your eye on it while going back behind the CB and line up the equal and opposite spot on the CB...and make the stroke. Is that about the same way you see it?

Is there "feel" in doing that? If so, where and why?

When you put all the shots in a sequence, who can feel if they are in the right sequence.

Classifications by 14.1 Top Pros are High Ball Runners, amateurs can manufacture a breakball and then there is the hopeless that hope and hit.
 
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