my experience with vendors in tunica

I gotta say just reading about trading a $2500 flippy for a $3000 Jacoby kind of makes me giggle.

It reminds me of kids with baseball cards. Kid buys a $25 rookie card from a card shop. Week later sees a big card he wants somewhere else takes rookie card back to shop to sell it....because its worth $25...and is crushed when the very dealer he bought it from offers him $5 for it.

This is how I learned how retail sales of collectables work at the ripe old age of ten. It appears there are a lot of people in the cue world who never collected baseball cards.
 
i just got off work and read everyones responses. instead of quoting everyone with numerous posts i will try to address all with this post.

i was not *****ing or complaining about this person or any other cuedealers in general.

in my op i made the disclaimer that i realize cue dealers run a bussiness to make money and i have no problem with that.

i will make one exception to an individual post. yea hungarian, i think my cue is sexy also. :grin:

i honestly do not know what my cue may be worth. i tend to agree with what poster have said in numerous other threads. my cue or any cue for that matter is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

i also know phillipi's are not the hottest thing on the market. i realize phillipi is not at the same level as gina, black boar and others but he is way above meucci .

as for someone saying they would rather have a 7800.00 gus or bushka. i think we all would rather have one of those brands. i did not but this cue for collectability or to flip, i bought it because i liked it. i play with it every league night.

as for what i expected as far as a trade for another cue. i think we all want the best we can get for the least amount possible.

i think what some of you fail to realize is that i was agreeable to his full price he was asking for his cue. i do not think it was unrealistic of me to ask for about 300.00 less for my cue than he was asking for a couple of phillipis that were a lot plainer than mine. i felt if he was selling those for that price he could get a lot more than that for mine considering it had a lot of ivory in it. that is why i offered 1,000.00 and my cue for a cue he wanted 3,000.00 for.

i figured he would make a profit off the cue i wanted and he could also make a profit off my cue.

bottom line is i tought it was a rather low offer my my cue that is loaded with ivory considering how much he was asking for the same make of cues that were plainer and did not have any ivory at all. remember i asked for 300.00 less than he was asking for those and agreed to his full price for his cue i wanted. i thought that was reasonable but apparently some of you dont think so.
 
watchez said:
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Is this your cue that you think is worth over $3000?
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no where in my post did i say i think it was worth over 3,000.00.
 
classiccues said:
Its the cue market.

From a dealers perspective... Phillippi = hard to move, expect to sit on for a long time unless you are going to blow it out. Phillippi's and a lot of other cuemakers are slow movers right now. Just the way it is.

Do not read into it that he has two for 2300.. if they are consigned, I am sure he has numbers he needs to get to satisfy the consignees. Sometimes taking a cue on consignment is also a risk, can make you look bad if the expectations of the seller are out of whack.

Having two 2300 dollar Phillippi's and a 3000 dollar Jacoby is nuts. Sorry, if you like the brand, just being realistic. These require very specific buyers, and its just a lot of money to try and get based on the available number of those buyers. I would rather have ONE 7600 dollar Bushka or Boti.

BTW I am not saying these cues are not worth the asking price.. just giving a different perspective on the cues from this side of the vendor table.

JV
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i appreciate hearing the opinion of a cue dealer concerning my experience.
if you would read my post #23 you will see that i am very aware of of the cue market concerning my cue.

i have a question for you

1. why would a cue dealer take on consignment cues that are not worth the asking price ? i am assuming they are not worth the asking price if they are somewhat plain and mine is only worth half their price and has lots of ivory in it.

i am asking that because i am assuming if you have 2 cues with a similar design an one has ivory and the other does not that the cue with ivory and and other materials would be worth more than the one without.

please correct me if i am wrong.

as far as buying whats popular or what some people classify as collectible. i guess i walk a different path than most people.

i dont have to have the last scruggs made, the latest black boar or the next gina, the 10th anniversary sugartree, etc etc etc. i just buy what attracts my eye, i dont care who the maker is.
 
JCIN said:
I gotta say just reading about trading a $2500 flippy for a $3000 Jacoby kind of makes me giggle.

It reminds me of kids with baseball cards. Kid buys a $25 rookie card from a card shop. Week later sees a big card he wants somewhere else takes rookie card back to shop to sell it....because its worth $25...and is crushed when the very dealer he bought it from offers him $5 for it.

This is how I learned how retail sales of collectables work at the ripe old age of ten. It appears there are a lot of people in the cue world who never collected baseball cards.
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where did you get the 2,500 amount from ? i never said that.

as far as basball cards go. no i never collected them.

i learned my lesson about buying and selling when i lost my ass on a horse i bought when i was 10 years old.
 
lorider said:
i appreciate hearing the opinion of a cue dealer concerning my experience.
if you would read my post #23 you will see that i am very aware of of the cue market concerning my cue.

i have a question for you

1. why would a cue dealer take on consignment cues that are not worth the asking price ? i am assuming they are not worth the asking price if they are somewhat plain and mine is only worth half their price and has lots of ivory in it.

i am asking that because i am assuming if you have 2 cues with a similar design an one has ivory and the other does not that the cue with ivory and and other materials would be worth more than the one without.

please correct me if i am wrong.

as far as buying whats popular or what some people classify as collectible. i guess i walk a different path than most people.

i dont have to have the last scruggs made, the latest black boar or the next gina, the 10th anniversary sugartree, etc etc etc. i just buy what attracts my eye, i dont care who the maker is.
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Well, to answer the first part of the question is to fill booth space, or he just hopes someone will pop on the cue. Like you, you buy what you like, maybe he is hoping for someone that just has to have the cue. We try not to do that, take cues in with unrealistic expectations that is. As you mentioned, they have to make money. Now assume he has had them for a while, he obviously knows what the "real" market value is and offered you accordingly. Which is what I suspect. He can't lower his prices because there are some other people expecting close to his listed numbers.

You buy on looks, and what you like. Believe me, the world needs more like you. However, the majority of people buy on resale expectations in case they have to get out of the cue later on, which in this economy is understandable.

You also have to factor in the available wood in the marketplace. When pool was popular, and cue collecting was booming there were half the cuemakers there are today. Now pool is in a downturn, most people are selling their "portfolio" cues, and there are more cuemakers.. so what do you get? Glut and surplus, period. Brings all prices down across the board, the most affected are the "live" cuemakers.

How many 1500-2500 dollar cues are available right now? A ton, and if you went around with 2500 cash.. I guarantee you will get offers to buy at least a dozen cues listed at 3500 - 4000 retail.

JV
 
classiccues said:
Well, to answer the first part of the question is to fill booth space, or he just hopes someone will pop on the cue. Like you, you buy what you like, maybe he is hoping for someone that just has to have the cue. We try not to do that, take cues in with unrealistic expectations that is. As you mentioned, they have to make money. Now assume he has had them for a while, he obviously knows what the "real" market value is and offered you accordingly. Which is what I suspect. He can't lower his prices because there are some other people expecting close to his listed numbers.

You buy on looks, and what you like. Believe me, the world needs more like you. However, the majority of people buy on resale expectations in case they have to get out of the cue later on, which in this economy is understandable.

You also have to factor in the available wood in the marketplace. When pool was popular, and cue collecting was booming there were half the cuemakers there are today. Now pool is in a downturn, most people are selling their "portfolio" cues, and there are more cuemakers.. so what do you get? Glut and surplus, period. Brings all prices down across the board, the most affected are the "live" cuemakers.

How many 1500-2500 dollar cues are available right now? A ton, and if you went around with 2500 cash.. I guarantee you will get offers to buy at least a dozen cues listed at 3500 - 4000 retail.

JV
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thanks for enlightening on the market from a dealers perspective
 
Another possibility... since he had 2 Phillippi cues already, he probably did not want another. Instead of just saying he was not interested in your cue, he may have offered a deal he knew you would not accept.
 
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