I think I know who did. Not me.
My Fargorate progression
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Fargo rate is Zero, I don't do FARGO.
Fargo is another BUSTED RATING SYSTEM.
Fargo is another BUSTED RATING SYSTEM.
The guy im playing next won 9-1 and 9-1, and has the highest tournament performance rating by far, thus far. Time to bring him back to reality!
Fargo and all Handicapping or Rating Systems, are Pools equal of AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.
Study who is beneficiary of Fargo Rsting, and who is victim of system.
Study who is beneficiary of Fargo Rsting, and who is victim of system.
Wow never figured you to be whipping out THE VICTIM CARD.
Cool man, yeah totally. Just one question. What the fuck are you talking about
I lost hill hill. I had a chance to win 7-5 and missed the 10. Then he broke and ran the rack for the set. I was surprised the TD called me over and handed me an envelope with $1200. I didn’t even know I was in the money. Ha ha. I finished in 13-16.
Thanks all for the support
Thanks all for the support
Congratulations!
Sweet!I lost hill hill. I had a chance to win 7-5 and missed the 10. Then he broke and ran the rack for the set. I was surprised the TD called me over and handed me an envelope with $1200. I didn’t even know I was in the money. Ha ha. I finished in 13-16.
Thanks all for the support
I got to 575 for the first time after the 578 and under.
I've also been hosting "Afternoon Delight" tournaments when I'm in Philly. I've had 5 thus far. They've been a good success in bringing organized competition to a group of players that generally never has a chance (weekday daytime players). I'll say playing and being the TD is not easy! I want to bring them to Atlanta, but not sure I have the time or energy to do them in both states.
I've also been hosting "Afternoon Delight" tournaments when I'm in Philly. I've had 5 thus far. They've been a good success in bringing organized competition to a group of players that generally never has a chance (weekday daytime players). I'll say playing and being the TD is not easy! I want to bring them to Atlanta, but not sure I have the time or energy to do them in both states.
The 578 and under I noticed my safety game has some holes compared to my peers there. I will have to work on that for sure. I actually thought that was one of the strongest parts of my game, so this was good info. I've played one hole almost as much as 9 ball 20 years ago, which a lot of today's players don't. But I was not as good as I should have been in covering up the CB.
I also think there is a very noticeable difference with about every 10 fargo points. An experienced player (lets say my speed or above), can see it with their own eyes.
I see it with the 300 league players I was in early last year, to the low 500's, mid 500's, etc etc. It's every part of the game. From mechanics, to how fast a decision is made, to how close the tip gets to the cb on the warm up strokes, to how solid the bridge is, to shotmaking, to safety, to hitting the balls with pace, to spinning in the winning 9 ball, etc etc. I think if someone says a 10-20 point difference is a toss-up, they are not paying attention.
I see it with the 300 league players I was in early last year, to the low 500's, mid 500's, etc etc. It's every part of the game. From mechanics, to how fast a decision is made, to how close the tip gets to the cb on the warm up strokes, to how solid the bridge is, to shotmaking, to safety, to hitting the balls with pace, to spinning in the winning 9 ball, etc etc. I think if someone says a 10-20 point difference is a toss-up, they are not paying attention.
I started out with Byrne's Standard Guide to Pool and Billiards, and as opposed to a lot of other players, I did not ignore the second half of the book that refers to three cushion. That half of the book is your basic blueprint for higher level safety play. I actually used to play a little three cushion, as there were Korean "pool halls" everywhere in Tacoma. Once I started playing 9 ball more as I developed, I immediately saw how useful the 3 cushion shots could be.
And the cool thing about practicing those shots? They teach you to kick better, as well.
And at least practicing "3 cushion type shots" on a pool table is also good for practicing 2 and 3 rail breakouts, as well.
It depends on how simple your system is and how quickly the players catch on. I've been in that position before and typically a pair of players comes up to me between shots and says, "Billy goes to 3 and I go to 5. Table 7 is open. OK?' (But then there's old Gus who still doesn't understand what a double hit is.)
Good Lord, I just played old Gus earlier this evening. I didn’t insist on calling a foul. I just pointed out that the cue ball had the same speed as the object ball. He insisted he “only hit once”
There was less than an inch between cue ball and object ball
I'm curious about the results of these tournaments, using the hot race. Highest Fargo wins?
I'll link them. I've had middle speed and high speed win. No bangers yet. One of them I had a guy just blow through everyone. He's my longtime friend, didnt' have an established fargo, so I made him a 620 for the tournament. I actually played jam up and beat him the first round (outright). Then he went on a tear and didn't lose a game the rest of the entire tournament. I think he's more a 670 when the dust will settle. There is not a Hot race that he can't outrun, IMO. Making him a 670 would not have made a difference for the races, because he was already giving almost everyone the max weight as a 620.
I also had another friend win, as a 1000+ robustness 590. Afterwards the player said to me "these races are too much weight". I said "you WON! It's not supposed to be easy to win!"
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I also ran into 2 guys (that I know of) that played my events and someone somehow gave them a starter rating of 425. One was my friend of 20 years that I put as a 620, but I actually haven't seen shoot in 20 years! I think my local fargo league operator is starting everyone as a 425 by default. I emailed fargo and said this guy was way wrong, he's run 100 balls. And asked fargo to delete his starter rating completely. They said they can't do that, but instead will move the starter rating to a 620, which is about where he was after one salotto match with said league operator (who also knows this guy for 20 years) and they went hill hill. The league operator is a 670. That's why I'm thinking somehow whoever this LO touches in the system gets a starter rating of 425. He is honest, he def would not have done that on purpose.
Then another guy was a 425 starter rating with only 20 some robustness. I didn't know him, and asked how he played. I asked what his lifetime and 2024 high run was (he's a straight pool player). He said about 30 for both. I said I'd make him a 500 for the tournament. Well I screwed up, and had 500 written on paper, but forgot to hand type it into the bracket, and he played as a 430 something. He ended up winning. I didn't realize until it was over, so I didn't say anything. The next week he came back and I made him a 500 to start, and he was running through everyone, and I finally watched him with my own eyes run a couple of racks, so I moved him to a 550 half way through. He ended up losing in the finals 6-0 to the 620.
Now that both of these guys have played a bit more, their rating shows:
player 1: 646 (including starter rating of 620), 47 robustness. If I take away the starter rating he's 710.
player 2: 502 (including starter rating of 425), 98 robustness. If I take away the starter rating he's 581.
If the players come back, I think I will make #1 a 655 (I don't believe he's 710), and player 2 a 581 (I do believe he is there after watching him play).
I learned that in the fargo app, if you sort your favorites by rating, the sorting completely ignores the starter rating for unestablished players. Player 1 is between two of my favorites at 709 and 712. That's how I know he is 710 (or close). Same with the player 2.
Then another guy was a 425 starter rating with only 20 some robustness. I didn't know him, and asked how he played. I asked what his lifetime and 2024 high run was (he's a straight pool player). He said about 30 for both. I said I'd make him a 500 for the tournament. Well I screwed up, and had 500 written on paper, but forgot to hand type it into the bracket, and he played as a 430 something. He ended up winning. I didn't realize until it was over, so I didn't say anything. The next week he came back and I made him a 500 to start, and he was running through everyone, and I finally watched him with my own eyes run a couple of racks, so I moved him to a 550 half way through. He ended up losing in the finals 6-0 to the 620.
Now that both of these guys have played a bit more, their rating shows:
player 1: 646 (including starter rating of 620), 47 robustness. If I take away the starter rating he's 710.
player 2: 502 (including starter rating of 425), 98 robustness. If I take away the starter rating he's 581.
If the players come back, I think I will make #1 a 655 (I don't believe he's 710), and player 2 a 581 (I do believe he is there after watching him play).
I learned that in the fargo app, if you sort your favorites by rating, the sorting completely ignores the starter rating for unestablished players. Player 1 is between two of my favorites at 709 and 712. That's how I know he is 710 (or close). Same with the player 2.
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I also had another long time friend play. He's a 667 with something like 5000 robustness, and plays all over the country. He played in it I think 4 times. He got beat every single time the first round. I was really worried the races were too tough because he kept losing. The funny part was, he was losing outright half the time to much weaker players, before the spotted games were even accounted for. On the last tournament, he finally won his first couple of match. I was so happy for him and said "it's about time! I was worried about you!". ha ha.