My opinion on jerkoffs that lay a spread.

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SPINDOKTOR said:
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Maybe I could get you to proof read everything before I post...lol

you know, I try to type fast, and when I do, I rarely check to see if I spelled everything correctly..

thanks, and hey, will some rep make you feel better?

SPINDOKTOR
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Thanks! I'm all better now :)

I appreciate your posts and contributions to the forum. I mean it when I say it wasn't personal at all, just a rant - It's been getting steadily worse EVERYWHERE online and I just lost it.

~rc
 
TheBook said:
In the movie "The Flim Flam Man" George C Scott said the only reason you can cheat someone is because they think that they are cheating you. I don't know if that was the exact wordiing but it basically says the same thing. After I seen that movie I got a whole new outlook on things: There is no free lunch.
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I think it was something like "When people get greedy they get stupid, and when people get greedy and stupid they deserve what they get".
 
:p

Great, and your welcome..

English, wasnt my best subject in school.. I was more into Math than anything... English was like a weak subject, math was the universal language, and was basicaly the only subject I stressed over..

SPINDOKTOR




sixpack said:
Thanks! I'm all better now :)

I appreciate your posts and contributions to the forum. I mean it when I say it wasn't personal at all, just a rant - It's been getting steadily worse EVERYWHERE online and I just lost it.

~rc
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Scottster said:
Anyone that lays a spread needs to have their thumbs amputated, their cues confiscated, and a thorough attitude adjustment via a cue ball in a tube sock.

The people that think it is "cool" to trap people by deceit and "rob them" are the ones responsible for the current mainstream opinion of pool.
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So what we have here is a dichotomy. Are the "road warriors" who live by their wits and play the part of the tree surgeon -- trimming the suckers -- lovable rascals or are they depraved, immoral thieves? Those of us who have seen "The Hustler" or "The Color of Money" suspect that not all resumes are presented honestly and completely at the PH. "Do you think I should loose some weight?" -- Amos (Forest Whitaker) in TCoM.

A friend of mine -- it took me years to like him -- used to earn his living by playing pool in this area. When he decided to go back to school, he set up a double-dump at his home pool hall. The other guy from across the Bay who played real sporty was going to dump his backers and the local guy was going to let his homies in on the deal. Of course the semi-stranger won. My friend graduated at the top of his law-school class, editor of the law review and went on to a high-powered law firm.

I met a guy in the Air Force who had traveled with Lassiter. He said that in the golden era of hustling, Luther and his partner would work the two strangers scam. Luther would go into town and do little to hide his speed. He would start with the easy players and work up to spotting the best players a lot until he finally ran out of action. A little while later the partner, let's call him Eddie, would come into town. A match would be arranged and the locals would all have their money on Luther, and he would play twice as well as anything he had shown before. Sadly, Eddie would play even better than that. The locals had no reason to be upset since Luther had clearly tried his best.

In comparison, I think dangling a little bait is a very mild form of "sharp practice."

Do you think Lassiter should have had a thumbectomy?

You may want to get your friend a copy of Freddy the Beard's "Gospool" which between the interesting instruction has a lot of stories about the questionable business practices committed on and near green worsted cloth.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I met a guy in the Air Force who had traveled with Lassiter. He said that in the golden era of hustling, Luther and his partner would work the two strangers scam. Luther would go into town and do little to hide his speed. He would start with the easy players and work up to spotting the best players a lot until he finally ran out of action. A little while later the partner, let's call him Eddie, would come into town. A match would be arranged and the locals would all have their money on Luther, and he would play twice as well as anything he had shown before. Sadly, Eddie would play even better than that. The locals had no reason to be upset since Luther had clearly tried his best.

In comparison, I think dangling a little bait is a very mild form of "sharp practice."

Do you think Lassiter should have had a thumbectomy?
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Well, all of them are dishonest really. Better players are hiding their true speed, while greedy bangers shamelessly recieve big handicaps thinking that they'll get easy money. Stories like that are fun to read, but are not really about pool. They are more about human nature, i.e. how to make lots of money with little to no work.
 
lfigueroa said:
Well, I believe the underpinnings of what William Claude Dukenfield was trying to say was that an honest man doesn't want something for nothing, or put another way, can't be enticed with ill gotten gains or excessive promises of profit.
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But the mark, in this case, wasn't really trying to get something for nothing, was he? Wasn't he just trying to get information about a potential opponent...and the information he was getting was INTENTIONALLY fraudulent. THAT is THE point as I see it: FRAUD.

Without the fraud, this problem wouldn't have existed and the best man would have won the bet....and that's better, imho.

Another thing....I know of many who won't even enter a pool hall anymore for this very reason. These frauds hurt the game of pool itself!

Jeff Livingston
 
Snapshot9 said:
There are many arrogant young men that think they are better than they are, who brashly approach you trying to 'take you down', or trying to make a name for themselves, and I do not mind one bit about 'teaching them a lesson'.
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Amen!glad that u pointed out that.
 
Madcity said:
Not sure I quite agree with you here Scott. Most times if someone gets trapped there is some sort of ego or greed involved.

I also feel laying a lemon can be a work of art. Some are better at it than others.



Howdy,

Glad to see that u reckoned that.
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HUSTLER=to lure less skillful players into competing against oneself at (a gambling game) <hustle pool>

There are worse names I've been called. Johnnyt
 
If you are in a pool room you gotta expect this. Some people wan't to think they are better than they really are. You never know with a stranger, and you gotta be a little paranoid. I never gamble more than I feel comfortable losing. If I don't know the guy I play cheap. If you get trapped it's your own greed/hubris that does it, not the other guy. It's just like fishing. Some guys present the bait better than others, but nobody MAKES you bite. You gotta expect a hook, or you end up as somebodys dinner. Paranoia pays off in the long run.
 
chefjeff said:
But the mark, in this case, wasn't really trying to get something for nothing, was he? Wasn't he just trying to get information about a potential opponent...and the information he was getting was INTENTIONALLY fraudulent. THAT is THE point as I see it: FRAUD.

Without the fraud, this problem wouldn't have existed and the best man would have won the bet....and that's better, imho.

Another thing....I know of many who won't even enter a pool hall anymore for this very reason. These frauds hurt the game of pool itself!

Jeff Livingston
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There was a *specific case* we were talking about?!

FRAUD?!

Oh my! (Lions and tigers and bears).

Lou Figueroa
yo, Chef
you still got that
very cool cue
with the chef's toque
in the butt?
 
I'm not try to convince anyone of a specific point of view

I've spent the last hour reading this entire tread. I find it very interesting as I'm sure everyone else who contributed or read the tread did.

I've done many things in my life, from bricklayer to banker. I've been playing pool for well over 30 years. When I was younger, I both hustled and been hustled. I no longer play for money, but will occasionally play in a tournament. One thing I learned about myself over the years is I love the game but I don't love to gamble.

For those who argue deceiving to extract something of weath (money) from others is inmoral or wrong, I certainly would not disagree. But, I would say this practice has been with us since time began. And, I don't think its going to change anytime soon (I know everyone is intellegent enough to know this. Not trying to ensult anyone). I would suggest, anyone who plays pool (or any game) for money assume the person they are playing is hiding their skill level.

For those who argue the mark deserved it because they were attempting to take someone elses money, I would not necessarily disagree. But, consider there are many reasons a person may enter into a wager. Lets say a young labor working on a brick crew is married with a small child. Lets say the child had been sick and the young couple did not have health insurance. The young man tried to make a few dollars wagering on a pool game and got trapped. Now, I'm not saying we should feel sorry for the young couple or we should condem the person who took his money. I'm just trying to point out there are many reasons people enter into a wager.

For those who argue the hustle is a lost art or some how romantic, the hustle is base on deception. And, deception to extract money from someone occurs in all parts of life, not just pool or sports or gambling. When a CEO or CFO of a major corporation cook the books to increase the stock price. Aren't they just hustling (deceiving) the public to extract money? How about a President of a bank who runs an ad in the Wall Street Journal stating his bank will pay above market interest rate on Certificate of Deposits. Several million are wire transferred into the bank. The President then wires the money to his personal account in Grand Caymon, gets on an airplane, and leave the US forever.

These are just some thoughts that entered my mind while I was reading this tread. Or, maybe its just an old man remembering days gone by.
 
predator said:
Well, all of them are dishonest really. QUOTE]


They are not dishonest.Hustlers are humble and modest people who do not brag about their skills in playing pool.:cool:
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lfigueroa said:
There was a *specific case* we were talking about?!

FRAUD?!

Oh my! (Lions and tigers and bears).

Lou Figueroa
yo, Chef
you still got that
very cool cue
with the chef's toque
in the butt?
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Ahhh...I never had such a cue....Perhaps you have me confused with someone else?

As to the "specific case," hasn't this thread been about the story in the Original Post?

Anyway, thanks for responding,

Jeff Livingston
 
Smorgass Bored said:
I always thought it was the food put out on holidays....
Doug
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i'm still reading through this whole thread from start to finish but wanted to acknowledge this response as a quality joke. Simple but comical. Well done!
 
vagabond said:
Hustlers are humble and modest people who do not brag about their skills in playing pool.:cool:
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People who value money above the game itself. They cheat greedy ball bangers who can't play. No class in that, even though it takes playing and social skills.
 
predator said:
People who value money above the game itself. They cheat greedy ball bangers who can't play. No class in that, even though it takes playing and social skills.
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It's good work if you can get it!:D
 
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