My scratch % is high on this break...

alphadog

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I hit this with high right and all to often go straight thru to the corner. What is a better way?
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DynoDan

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Your overhead photo doesn’t show the pocket, so can’t tell where the CB will strike the rack. Applied english is rather irrelevant if you hit the breakshot really hard, since the CB is thus still sliding. If the natural target impact point is downtable side of the contacted OB, and the carom angles lead toward the pocket, then a softer stroke is required to allow english to steer & avoid the scratch.
 

alphadog

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I hit it with high left and end up uptable playing combinations.
I hit it with draw and either am stuck in the pack or uptable often playing combinations.

This just always has been a problem break for me. I think it looks ideal but my results stink.
 

DynoDan

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I hit it with high left and end up uptable playing combinations.
I hit it with draw and either am stuck in the pack or uptable often playing combinations.

This just always has been a problem break for me. I think it looks ideal but my results stink.
“Up table playing combos” beats scratching. “Stuck to the pack” suggests inadequate draw (happens to me often when contact is between the one & four, and the rack is less than perfectly tight).
“Ideal” break position: Shaw’s record run indicates a more acute angle works better, since the scratch is so unlikely, you can safely slam the pack with follow regardless of the target point (his template racking system especially eliminated the “stuck” issue).
 

jeagle64

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Maybe don’t hit it so hard. Just stroke it and follow through.


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DynoDan

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“Up table playing combos” beats scratching. “Stuck to the pack” suggests inadequate draw (happens to me often when contact is between the one & four, and the rack is less than perfectly tight).
“Ideal” break position: Shaw’s record run indicates a more acute angle works better, since the scratch is so unlikely, you can safely slam the pack with follow regardless of the target point (his template racking system especially eliminated the “stuck” issue).
Actually having second thoughts re: using ‘follow’. While the more acute angle break largely eliminates scratching in the corner, I’ve noticed a CB following thru the pack sometimes gets kicked into the side. So, drawing off into center table (and away from the resulting melee) might be more beneficial (?).
 

alphadog

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Not a sharp enough angle to hit high, this angle needs a draw stroke.
So the overhead should allow anyone to set this up , if you use draw where do you want to contact the stack?
Let's say the 5 is a clock with 12 pointed straight at the footrail. 9 0clock,6 30,10?
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sparkle84

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You can't tell much about the angle by any of your pics. Take a pic from the top of the table that includes the CB, the left side pocket, the entire rack and the left bottom pocket. Off hand, from what I can see, I'd probably shoot this with top right. If you do that and scratch in the bottom left then you're most likely not hitting the shot hard enough and/or not generating good topspin.
 

DynoDan

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You can't tell much about the angle by any of your pics. Take a pic from the top of the table that includes the CB, the left side pocket, the entire rack and the left bottom pocket. Off hand, from what I can see, I'd probably shoot this with top right. If you do that and scratch in the bottom left then you're most likely not hitting the shot hard enough and/or not generating good topspin.
Top right might leave the CB against the bottom of the pack. I like top left, which usually goes two rails back to center table before the pack can spread/interfere.
Topspin won’t help anyway if you hit the rack hard at the wrong spot (you’ll be in the corner pocket before the CB stops sliding). The breakshot seems more ‘art’ than ‘science’, as there are a myriad # of things to consider when deciding how to approach it: If the tangent line/contact point looks like a dead scratch, a softer break can better allow time for english to steer (especially if the balls are clean/polished). Choice of new contact point will often determine whether to use draw or follow. If clean balls are racked tight, soft/draw is usually safer when the tangent line/point is iffy. If it’s naturally high on the OB, then the CB is temporarily stunned with a hard break, and follow will take & beat the scratch.
 

Straightpool_99

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I hit this with high right and all to often go straight thru to the corner. What is a better way?
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Hi. You should consider hitting this with draw instead. The shot is right on the border of the balls being perpendicular to the rail, and I would consider this to be in "draw" territory.

You can draw this at multiple different speeds as well, you don't have to do a Hohmann and draw it all the way back to the short rail. And you don't have to use the maximum amount of draw. Try differing amounts to see the effects. A controlled draw would maybe suit you better.

People naturally want to hit breakshots hard, but then the angle must be correct. This angle is a little bit dangerous. Hitting hard with follow will often result in a scratch. Hitting soft with follow, to give the cueball time to bend forward to the short rail, will also sometimes cause the cueball to kiss off of a ball from the rack and scratching. I'd stay away from follow all together.

Personally, when faced with this angle, I hit with a medium speed stroke and a little draw . It's kind of a feel thing, though, and I'd have to be right there to determine exactly how to hit it.
 
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