My SOLUTION for snowmon34 case

Come On....Even a Moron Can see Snowman Got Screwed

Snowman got hoodwinked...........plain 7 simple...............Seller was obligated to tell Snowman about the shaft being peeled, regardless of whether it's some local playing custom or not, as soon as Snowman inquired about the condition of the cue's shafts having any dents, dings or blemishes etc.........NUF SED ON THAT!

All this other arguing has become basically esoteric bullshit written more for the sake of the writers that in pursuit of a resolution...........There isn't any middle ground...............Snowman got screwed and it's absurd for others to tell him what he should go to settle a problem he did absolutely nothing to create. In fact, Snowman was actually trying to avoid any problems, like this very situation exemplifies, when he asked about the condition of the cue's shafts.

Everyone's concentrated focus needs to be on the seller not the buyer........let's remember it was the buyer who was mislead by the seller.......the buyer was the party that was deceived............the buyer is the only real victim..............and the buyer deserves justice.

So enough with any more rhettoric about why and how come this all happened. It's time for the seller to make this deal right at his sole expense and not involve Snowman monetarily in any way, i.e., he's innocent ............IMO.
 
ctran said:
I DO think Huy is in the wrong end, but I also DO hope you guys can figure something out. I never said otherwise.

Of course I, like many others who are forced to look at this thread and posts, don't know about the whole pms and emails and detailed correspondence between you and Huy.

I, personally, as an observer, think that if you want someone to sit down and negotiate some compensation with you, you should leave him something to lose. you are stripping that from him and still want him to pay you $200, that is unreasonable.

And the fact that you even turned on alanvo, who "sold" you some so-called not-yet-validated information about the cue, amazed me.

I may think that because you are told the cue is a collateral, and the money Huy loaned out for the cue is much lower than its value, so you conclude that you are on the unfavorable side of the trade, that annoyed you and you insisted on the $200 settlement.

you can argue that I don't know the whole blah blah, yes of course I don't, coz I am not the inside man. but those above thoughts are from an outside man. I have nothing personal here but I have a sense that both you and Huy don't want to settle this in a constructive manner. that is why I said



I think the best resolution now, for the sake of the forum and the members, is that a moderator jump in and ban huysmall from AzBilliards, and snowmon34 keeps the cue and shaft. That's it. Period.
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Huy needs to make this right!! How does Huy make this right?? He contacts me, and works with me...He has made no effort to resolve this!! A 50.00 offer for my inconvenience was a insult!! Huy calls this a inconvenience...what a joke!!You think 200.00 is unreasonable?? The 50.00 Huy offered would cover the shipping to, and back, insurance, and tracking from Joe Golds shop..Joe recommended that both shafts be sent back because they have to be matched..What do you think it costs by Joe Gold to match 2 shafts..It has to be close to 75.00 a shaft...I asked Joe what it would cost and he couldn't quote me without looking at the shaft which makes sense..So you tell me if 200.00 is still unreasonable...I think not..
 
Bavafongoul said:
Snowman got hoodwinked...........plain 7 simple...............Seller was obligated to tell Snowman about the shaft being peeled, regardless of whether it's some local playing custom or not, as soon as Snowman inquired about the condition of the cue's shafts having any dents, dings or blemishes etc.........NUF SED ON THAT!

All this other arguing has become basically esoteric bullshit written more for the sake of the writers that in pursuit of a resolution...........There isn't any middle ground...............Snowman got screwed and it's absurd for others to tell him what he should go to settle a problem he did absolutely nothing to create. In fact, Snowman was actually trying to avoid any problems, like this very situation exemplifies, when he asked about the condition of the cue's shafts.

Everyone's concentrated focus needs to be on the seller not the buyer........let's remember it was the buyer who was mislead by the seller.......the buyer was the party that was deceived............the buyer is the only real victim..............and the buyer deserves justice.

So enough with any more rhettoric about why and how come this all happened. It's time for the seller to make this deal right at his sole expense and not involve Snowman monetarily in any way, i.e., he's innocent ............IMO.
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Another person that gets it...Thanks for having common sense..:)
 
Bava, I agree with you totaly. The seller, as a businessman must step up and do all possible to satisfy the customer. Anything less is going to cost him dearly.

He has a way out. As stated he has a small problem with the language and perhaps business is conducted a little different where he lives. He can clearly see that most feel that he is wrong in this and all he has to do is get with Snowmon get him satisfied, learn from the experience, and this will go away.

If he dosen't solve this quick, then I would say he is finished as a seller on this forum and it will follow him to other places too.

Mr. Huy, my unsolicited advice to you sir, is to contact Snowmon and settle this quickly. When you do the right thing all will be forgiven and quickly forgotten. Then, you can continue on as a respected member and businessman.
 
snowmon34 said:
Huy needs to make this right!! How does Huy make this right?? He contacts me, and works with me...He has made no effort to resolve this!! A 50.00 offer for my inconvenience was a insult!! Huy calls this a inconvenience...what a joke!!You think 200.00 is unreasonable?? The 50.00 Huy offered would cover the shipping to, and back, insurance, and tracking from Joe Golds shop..Joe recommended that both shafts be sent back because they have to be matched..What do you think it costs by Joe Gold to match 2 shafts..It has to be close to 75.00 a shaft...I asked Joe what it would cost and he couldn't quote me without looking at the shaft which makes sense..So you tell me if 200.00 is still unreasonable...I think not..
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Dale,

I did not mean that the sum $200 is unreasonable. I don't have so much interest in this scandal that I have to do calculation such as yours.

What I mean is that the way you are insulting/bashing him all over the place is unreasonable, especially when you are still looking for compensation. You have the right to, but it simply does not help to get him to you. If you want him to be known for his act, you have succeeded. What do you think he will do? screw you and bye bye AzB or pay you and still cannot sell/buy things here due to your bashing? You guys need to be constructive here.

And if, unfortunately, he truly scams you, then my idea of solution is fair.

I think sengkun108 did a nice calculation that you might find useful here.

sengkun108 said:
2. joe gold can make a new shaft with 250-275$, and someone said that Joe Gold can refinish this 13.1 mm shaft with cost max 75$ ( CMIIW), if snowmon still want to sell this shaft...someone already make an offer for 100$ for this shaft (again CMIIW)...with 10$ from alnvo and 50$ from huy..it's already 160$...and it's a good price for a used cue..
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Sometimes, the fact that you are right and the other is wrong does not get you what you want. it is the way you handle things that gets you what you want.

@others: you can come bashing all over the place that "Huy, you need to get things right, you are a scammer and you need to stand up". That does not help at all. The wrong/right here is clear as daylight, but keep some face for Huy so he might find the need of solving things and continue selling/buying here. If he sees that he doesn't have a chance buying/selling here, he may be gone with this case open, and you guys bashing a phantom account for years.


God, we need an arbitrator on AzB.
 
The bottom line is this. Huy may not even care enough to make this bad deal right and if that is the case there is nothing anyone can do about that.

Also, if that is the case, then Huy will probably not be able to buy and sell on AZ any longer as noone will want to deal with him.

If Huy makes the deal right and quickly, then all will be forgiven and life goes on.

Simple as that.
 
Sometimes, the fact that you are right and the other is wrong does not get you what you want. it is the way you handle things that gets you what you want.

@others: you can come bashing all over the place that "Huy, you need to get things right, you are a scammer and you need to stand up". That does not help at all. [B]The wrong/right here is clear as daylight, but keep some face for Huy[/B] so he might find the need of solving things and continue selling/buying here. If he sees that he doesn't have a chance buying/selling here, he may be gone with this case open, and you guys bashing a phantom account for years.


Nope....the wrong/right is not clear as daylight......

there is still a chance that this is just a misscomunication problem...

there is a chance that huy is not lying in a first place and all this drama is just a misscomunication problem.


buying thing and selling thing is sometimes not a simple matter...

let's take my experience...i bought a sugartree in the past with a member here. He is asking a under price for that cue, he didn't mention that one of the shaft have some problem...i received the cue, play a couple rack with the shaft and finally find out that the shaft got a problem...
Now, i could be very negative and push the seller to make it right, but i know that in the first place he is already give me under price for the cue...so i'm not complaining..and just moved on..

another example...
i order a cue from a wellknown cuemaker here...he promised me that i will got my cue on 6 month...he finally sent it to me on 14 month..i already give him a 70% money when i place an order...so, does it mean that the cuemaker lying to me...Yes, he can not fulfill his promise, but there is nothing bigdeal with it...it's only a pool cue..i can live with that and again moved on..

Huy already give the solution ...if i were snowmon...i will asking huy to add some 25$ or 50$ again to me...and every body can moved on...

so....lets moved on:)
 
cueaddicts said:
No need for that. We're all grown ups here. Just two level-headed participants in a transaction....that's all that's needed.
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I tried that route...3 days of emails (zero compensation offered), and 5 days of unanswered emails...I'll always try to resolve issues behind closed doors...It never should of gone this far...All Huy had to do was participate in PRIVATE, and I'm sure 2 level-headed participants could of worked things out, but when 1 person decides not to participate it makes it tough....
 
poolhustler said:
The bottom line is this. Huy may not even care enough to make this bad deal right and if that is the case there is nothing anyone can do about that.

Also, if that is the case, then Huy will probably not be able to buy and sell on AZ any longer as noone will want to deal with him.

If Huy makes the deal right and quickly, then all will be forgiven and life goes on.

Simple as that.
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Huy, and I talked for 3 days about the shaft, and not once did he show any sort of empathy...At that point I knew he didn't care..I'm sure he has a back up profile so be cautious...
 
Wow, this is absolutely crazy! Most things in this world work from cause and effect. When you wish to really solve a problem, you look at the root CAUSE. The cause here is obvious, the Seller misled Dale. Purposefully or inadvertently is frankly irrelevant. I don't think there is one person here who can say that he didn't mislead Dale and do it with a straight face.

So back to cause and effect. The sole place for this situation to be remedied lies with the Seller, the root CAUSE of this problem. IMHO, it is up to him to go above and beyond to make this right. After reading all this, I fail to see how Dale contributed to this problem in any manner. The Seller at first refused to even acknowledge he had been in error and it appears that after he was prosecuted in the court of public opinion, only then did he come forward offering a token fix. That's total BS IMHO. I don't really care about the possibility of a so called language or cultural issue. This web site is in English, the responsibility lies with the Seller to understand things properly. I 100% believe the Seller understood everything PERFECTLY and went ahead with the deal with a hope and prayer Dale wouldn't say anything.

Huy, it's time to man up or shut up. You know it, quit screwing around and get it done.
 
Shafted

I find the offer of 50 dollars to be quite insulting. Huy Dang you know, you owe Snowmon34 more than that. You owe him a new shaft, at least that's how I see it.
The offer to trade back with you paying all shipping, would be the right thing.
You've already damaged your reputation, don't make it worse.
Just my 3 cents (inflation you know)
 
DEXTER said:
I find the offer of 50 dollars to be quite insulting. Huy Dang you know, you owe Snowmon34 more than that. You owe him a new shaft, at least that's how I see it.
The offer to trade back with you paying all shipping, would be the right thing.
You've already damaged your reputation, don't make it worse.
Just my 3 cents (inflation you know)
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That would be the right thing to do. Huy, just offer the guy a full refund.
 
Saw a "peeled" shaft the other day for the first time. Boy was I WRONG! This is some kind of ultra-weird taper that comes down to an abrupt LEDGE.

I have to say that doing this to any cue renders that shaft no longer in the realm of being in the same family as the brand of cue it originally belonged to. This is an ultra mod that should be disclosed to interested buyers.

Huy, what's the hold up man? Just undo the deal and make it right or pay for a new shaft. If the shaft on the Cog is anything like the one I saw then it's something you should have made very clear when offering the cue.
 
JB Cases said:
Saw a "peeled" shaft the other day for the first time. Boy was I WRONG! This is some kind of ultra-weird taper that comes down to an abrupt LEDGE.

I have to say that doing this to any cue renders that shaft no longer in the realm of being in the same family as the brand of cue it originally belonged to. This is an ultra mod that should be disclosed to interested buyers.

Huy, what's the hold up man? Just undo the deal and make it right or pay for a new shaft. If the shaft on the Cog is anything like the one I saw then it's something you should have made very clear when offering the cue.
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John...huysmall will not reply to your post he knows his words mean nothing..I'm sure your first reaction looking at the shaft was close to mine( misbelief )..Huy fooled a lot of people into thinking the whole situation was a matter of miscommunication, but he knew exactly what he was doing..Huy purposely f'd me, and had no plans to trade back cues....If huy wanted to correct this situation it would of happened by now...Huysmall is a dirt bag to say the least, and shouldn't be able to do transactions on azb.. huysmall should remain in red rep status to remind, and warn any azb members not to do business with this liar...huysmall you got rid of a cue with a peeled shaft, but you cost yourself your reputation...It's obvious your just a boy, and hopefully you learn something from this transaction....Please keep huysmall's reputation in red status to warn all azb members..
 
snowmon34 said:
John...huysmall will not reply to your post he knows his words mean nothing..I'm sure your first reaction looking at the shaft was close to mine( misbelief )..Huy fooled a lot of people into thinking the whole situation was a matter of miscommunication, but he knew exactly what he was doing..Huy purposely f'd me, and had no plans to trade back cues....If huy wanted to correct this situation it would of happened by now...Huysmall is a dirt bag to say the least, and shouldn't be able to do transactions on azb.. huysmall should remain in red rep status to remind, and warn any azb members not to do business with this liar...huysmall you got rid of a cue with a peeled shaft, but you cost yourself your reputation...It's obvious your just a boy, and hopefully you learn something from this transaction....Please keep huysmall's reputation in red status to warn all azb members..
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LOL at your words Dale. Why you did not let all people here know about your cue specs? Is it straight together and apart like you said before trading? To me, don't care about roll straight together. If it roll a little, I still accept. It's not roll straight together, not your f**k stated. I accepted your cue as I received. Not bark like you here.
I have no clues for this trade back OK because you're b*** and your attitude. Poor you, Dale.
Jon (jemerson23) is nice, he suggested me he will do escrow at no fee, and sure it's OK as long as you post your cue specs clearly here.
I PMed Jon about my cue specs clearly already. I can only accept my cue from you just a minor ding on butt sleeve as pic that all people know and played shaft is peeled. Never mind bluing on that played shaft. Cue roll straight together and apart. No ding, no dent on all two shafts. That's all my cue specs.

Looking your cue specs here. How dings, dents on your cue?

Huy Dang
 
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