Sorry but your wrong. It matters to me where the cue came from and how many owners it has....that's my right and privilege to purchase a cue to my standards not yours..It's your opinion and that's fine, you do business your way and ill do it mine, but don't try and down play the standards in a cue that are important to me.
My SOLUTION for snowmon34 case
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Sorry but your wrong. It matters to me where the cue came from and how many owners it has....that's my right and privilege to purchase a cue to my standards not yours..It's your opinion and that's fine, you do business your way and ill do it mine, but don't try and down play the standards in a cue that are important to me.
Lol ok if you say so..
Yes, you are correct. Its your right and privilege to buy a cue as you see fit. But let me ask you, how can you possible trace a used cue's ownership where you don't know the current owner? In my local pool hall, I personally know the players, and when they bought a new cue, and who they sold it to when they went broke. But on the internet, there is no way to know that information. Even if the guy you are buyhing it from is the most honest person on the planet, the guy who sold it to him might have been the biggest liar.
Anyway, I know you feel slighted (and I agree you were). I hope you come to your own terms about this cue, and in the end will be at peace with the situation, whatever you decide to do. My suggestion in the other post to take the 50, and have the shaft refinished, is what I would do myself to be at peace, and move on.
Best of luck.
The bottom line is I take the persons word as fact. I was told by Huy the cue was bought new for himself by a friend in the USA. I took his word there was no reason for me not to. All we have is our word on this forum, and if your word is no good your not worth shit imo. All of us rely on trust..its that simple. Btw Ty for acknowledging I got the shaft lol from a P.O.S.
alanvo
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Dale, there's no card or heat here. My spine is here. Where is yours when you ask me to convince Huy to pay up? Where is yours when I told you that was unprofessional and unethical to paste it without my permission or consent? You had no comeback from there.
I provided you information, with the intention to help you both. Factual or not, that's a different story. It's your homework to confirm validity. Instead you're treating it like treasure.
I don't feel the need to insult you. You've already done enough.
It's obvious I have a spine buddy. I'm not laying down on this one. I live by a simple rule. Is it right or is it wrong. Well my friend this is f'n wrong and nobody is going to convince me otherwise...Huy needs to make this right. If not no big deal. I'll do my best to make sure he doesn't sell another thing on this forum. Peace out buddy
Wow! Snowman, You sold out a friend? That ain't cool.
I think the seller should have offered a full refund plus the shipping and get rid of this problem. Everybody makes mistakes, has misunderstandings, etc. The best way to handle it is to man up, solve the problem and move on.
I think the seller should have offered a full refund plus the shipping and get rid of this problem. Everybody makes mistakes, has misunderstandings, etc. The best way to handle it is to man up, solve the problem and move on.
Not a friend we chatted a few times about a cue I offered for trade. Anyways this whole transaction isn't cool. Lies and deceit. This whole deal is a joke. I have about 30 saved emails and about 20 saved pms from Huy and never once was there a misunderstanding. Now that we have a jacked up shaft involved. There's a language barrier. Cracks me up
I think I saw somewhere that a shaft from Joey is about $250. If the modified shaft is straight and 13mm or very close ill give you $100 for it if you can get the seller to come up with the rest or most of it then you can get a new shaft. Just a thought.
If the shaft was peeled, it was absolutely 100% necessary that it be discolsed.
Language barrier or not, it is up to the seller to accurately describe the cue.
The fact that is was peeled is a HUGE factor in the deal.
Huy needs to make this right at his cost. That is the right thing to do.
He simply can not claim a language barrier caused this mistake.
Language barrier or not, it is up to the seller to accurately describe the cue.
The fact that is was peeled is a HUGE factor in the deal.
Huy needs to make this right at his cost. That is the right thing to do.
He simply can not claim a language barrier caused this mistake.
Really?? You think this about winning?? This about me getting a good ole fashion F()@%1NG...
OMG....We have a winner folks!!!
Russ,
Thanks for giving all these folks a lesson on how it works around here..I'm so surprised these people just don't get it!! I guess your 180 positive i-traders speaks volumes!!
Huy read this post....Do you understand what Russ is saying...Does it make sense?? Anybody with common sense would agree!!
Dale
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Do you actually think anybody is going to deal with huysmall in the future because he offered me 50.00??...That's laughable Huy Dang is a P.O.S., and I can guarantee you the list of people that will deal with Huy is very short!!
I'll also guarantee the list of people that WON'T deal with me is even shorter...I'm sure the majority of those people are from Vietnam, and that doesn't hurt my feelings ....
After these few days of show and tell it's pretty evident how the situation took place and it's quite clear how the problem can be solved, for me at least.
Seller assumed that peeling is a norm that should not affect sale of cue. Benefit of doubt can be given that he genuinely believes it's not a big deal (like burping loudly after a hearty meal is supposedly polite and good way to tell the host he's enjoyed the meal while it's just plain rude in most society...it's just an example don't quote me..). However now that the majority of AZers have informed him that it is not a norm and he should disclose it to the seller i think the ball is in his court to do the right thing.
His offer of $50 or shipping cue back with split cost is an alright proposal but not the best one because it would still mean that the buyer has to eat some loss due to seller's lack off(information).
The best solution i think would be:
1) Buyer sends shaft to Joe Gold (or someone else that both parties agree) and have the shaft cleaned and finished up decently at Huy's cost, which includes shipping both ways. Many here have claimed that $50 is enough for refinishing the shaft, it might be but it's not definite as no one considered the shipping.
2) "Un-Trade" everything with shipping at Huy's expense. Dale has obviously lost enough time and effort in this, and he's probably upset that Huy has ignored him until this was aired publicly.
Some would argue that this is loop-sided solution but it isn't, this is the Correct Solution by my standards but since this is not my deal i can merely suggest and share my thoughts. Huy has already shown effort and intention to resolve this matter which is good on his part but i think he can afford to put himself in the position of a buyer and think how it would have disturbed him. All i can say to Huy is stretch that bit further to get this solved and make this all go away.
My 2 cents (RMB 0.10).
Seller assumed that peeling is a norm that should not affect sale of cue. Benefit of doubt can be given that he genuinely believes it's not a big deal (like burping loudly after a hearty meal is supposedly polite and good way to tell the host he's enjoyed the meal while it's just plain rude in most society...it's just an example don't quote me..). However now that the majority of AZers have informed him that it is not a norm and he should disclose it to the seller i think the ball is in his court to do the right thing.
His offer of $50 or shipping cue back with split cost is an alright proposal but not the best one because it would still mean that the buyer has to eat some loss due to seller's lack off(information).
The best solution i think would be:
1) Buyer sends shaft to Joe Gold (or someone else that both parties agree) and have the shaft cleaned and finished up decently at Huy's cost, which includes shipping both ways. Many here have claimed that $50 is enough for refinishing the shaft, it might be but it's not definite as no one considered the shipping.
2) "Un-Trade" everything with shipping at Huy's expense. Dale has obviously lost enough time and effort in this, and he's probably upset that Huy has ignored him until this was aired publicly.
Some would argue that this is loop-sided solution but it isn't, this is the Correct Solution by my standards but since this is not my deal i can merely suggest and share my thoughts. Huy has already shown effort and intention to resolve this matter which is good on his part but i think he can afford to put himself in the position of a buyer and think how it would have disturbed him. All i can say to Huy is stretch that bit further to get this solved and make this all go away.
My 2 cents (RMB 0.10).
I said that coz you pushed it too hard, and only think of yourself. You insulted him in every possible way and seemingly left him no way back. That is not good at all.
I stayed neytral all the way and you swore at me like that? I used to have great respect on you in our conversation regarding your sugartree but i doubt i have any left now.
ctran. I gave Huy ample time to take care of this in private. Huy declined...As for push to hard. You have no idea...ctran your in a very small group that thinks Huy did nothing wrong ..you would be amazed at how many pms and emails I've received about huys character. Anyways my choice of words are not personal attack on you..they are the facts. You need to read my post again
I DO think Huy is in the wrong end, but I also DO hope you guys can figure something out. I never said otherwise.
Of course I, like many others who are forced to look at this thread and posts, don't know about the whole pms and emails and detailed correspondence between you and Huy.
I, personally, as an observer, think that if you want someone to sit down and negotiate some compensation with you, you should leave him something to lose. you are stripping that from him and still want him to pay you $200, that is unreasonable.
And the fact that you even turned on alanvo, who "sold" you some so-called not-yet-validated information about the cue, amazed me.
I may think that because you are told the cue is a collateral, and the money Huy loaned out for the cue is much lower than its value, so you conclude that you are on the unfavorable side of the trade, that annoyed you and you insisted on the $200 settlement.
you can argue that I don't know the whole blah blah, yes of course I don't, coz I am not the inside man. but those above thoughts are from an outside man. I have nothing personal here but I have a sense that both you and Huy don't want to settle this in a constructive manner. that is why I said
I think the best resolution now, for the sake of the forum and the members, is that a moderator jump in and ban huysmall from AzBilliards, and snowmon34 keeps the cue and shaft. That's it. Period.
what is this.....you are suggesting to banned a member because he is keeping the information (that is the worst case). i don't want to chime in to this thread, but i can not stand and just watch this any further...
i don't get it why this transacation can not be resolved...
1. Huys already come with two option to resolve this problem
a. 50$
b. trade back with split shipping cost
2. joe gold can make a new shaft with 250-275$, and someone said that Joe Gold can refinish this 13.1 mm shaft with cost max 75$ ( CMIIW), if snowmon still want to sell this shaft...someone already make an offer for 100$ for this shaft (again CMIIW)...with 10$ from alnvo and 50$ from huy..it's already 160$...and it's a good price for a used cue..
So...i don't know what a better solution to resolve this problem...
to suggesting banned a member here is ridiculous...HUYS not a SCAM.....you are assume he is keeping an information, but many seller even a dealer here did the same thing. he already come with an idea to solve this problem, what do you want him to do again...if he is a scam, he wouldn't send the cue to USA..
Maybe, just maybe he is not good and keeping the information, we can judge him to did it, but still that he is not a scammer and cheater...
My suggestion is ....snowmon...you take huys offer.. A or B option is alright option to me...
I was not suggesting that straight to the mod, I was just giving my idea, people posted their own solutions on the matter, I am just another. I said that because I see no party wanted to sit down and negotiate a solution in a constructive and helpful manner. And as you can see, huysmall is nowhere to be seen while snowmon34 popped up in every post to show grudge, to insult other party. He leaves a very nice signature about huysmall also. for me huysmall's reputation is finished unfortunately. and snowmon34 said that he will make huysmall never sell another thing here, it's just that. Is that any way back offered from him?
Anyway, with all those damage done by snowmon34, nothing can rescue huysmall reputation now but snowmon34's own word of confirmation. This requires them to work out a constructive settlement, which seems impossible at the moment.
My own solution is very clear and I think, it is suitable when those 2 cannot figure anything out. That solution help other members to rid of this matter, which they have been forced to look at for so long.