My take on galveston

Wincardone

Hi 9Ball Billy,You've always been a class person and I hope this tournament goes BIG.I remember almost 50years ago you came to Baltimore and played the best player LarrySapia and told me I had 25% of the winnings and you gave me $700.00 out of $2800.00 you won.Thanks for being true to your word. FastEddieF. By the way you were 16years old and I was 17. Great memories and a great story
 
Thanks Lou,
Opinions are like noses... everyone has one.. some are very good, and some just smell.

lfigueroa said:
Tom, how can you dare to say Joey -- with all the phone calls and pom poms, isn't their designated spokesmodel ;-)?!

As you say, the dates are, generally speaking, good. So you're right: what else is there for a girl to do in the pool world that time of year, other than to twiddle and wait for the Derby. But regardless of the dates, what with entry fees, remote locale, $149 a night room (which, with tax, license and a full tank of gas will easily approach $165 a night), IMO, there is more than the dates involved when a player takes to considering this event. After all, all that is without touching upon outstanding questions concerning guarantees, payouts, paid entries to date, seeding, and the length of individual events (just for starters :-)

Your last points about the pool players who can type (and set up very handy straw men to knock down at their whim) is priceless.

Thanks for speaking your mind.

Lou Figueroa
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I've looked about the gwc website and still have not found whether they will escrow and how it is guaranteed. Has anyone got an answer on this? FYI, an email exchange I had with a contact at GWC was just posted at the long "other" GWC thread here in main.

Thanks,

Matt

(and no, I do not believe Joey is a designated spokesperson. I'm confident he was not designated by the GWC. I think he was trying to help pool, as he always does. He took the position of proponent. IMO)
 
lfigueroa said:
Maybe I missed it, but where has anyone been trying to discourage people from attending?

Certainly you cannot be saying that there is something inherently wrong with asking questions of the promoter (or their designated spokesmodel)!?

Or are you?

I think one of the central points being missed in this whole discussion is that at least some of the people asking questions (I certainly cannot speak for them all) do care about the sport and the success of this and all pool events. BUT they are not willing to do as in the past: shut up and color.

As you know first-hand, Billy, that's been tried for a long, long time in pool. And then what happens after the smoke has cleared, is that everyone licks their wounds and consoles themselves by saying such pithy things as, "Well, it was better than nothing."

I think the questions are a good thing and there is nothing negative about asking them. Just think if that had been the norm going back some time. Maybe the IPT would never had a chance to do what they did -- who knows. But for better or worse, it is now post-IPT in the pool world, and I think it is incumbent upon pool players, if they truly do care about the health of the sport, to ask the tough questions upfront. AND promoters, across the board, should be prepared to answer those questions and the concerns of those they are asking to invest time and money, to support their event.

In any case, if anything is going to help pool and support the game into the future, it won't be the questions anyway -- it'll be the *answers* the questions generate ;-)

Lou Figueroa
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I think that this position is completely short-sighted, no offense Lou.

We are talking about a major event that is about to be put on here that has the intent of changing pool, which we ALL know is a dying sport... and more rapidly than some may realize.

I could go back and search through some of the derogatory comments made about the event and it's promoters and post them here, but it's a waste of time.

The fact is that you can't prove a negative. So, does it really help to ask questions that propose really bad situations and expect some sort of answer? We can all sit here and come up with all sorts of doomsday scenarios for the event, but no one will ever know until it happens.

I absolutely understand your point that people have been burned and had their guts torn out by past scum balls. This business is often a shady one and participating in it is going to leave you heartbroken sometimes. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. These guys get one shot at impressing us, if they don't you can just add it to the stack of scum balls.

So, to answer your question... no, I don't think anybody on here has come out and openly said DO NOT ATTEND THIS EVENT OR ELSE, but throwing out conspiracy theories is only going to discourage people from choosing to make the trip. This isn't a cheap trip for some, even in Texas. It's a long event at a resort, hotels add up... the drive from Houston is not short or cheap, etc. Many people are probably looking for a reason not to attend and if they see a bunch of people questioning it they probably aren't going.

I agree that this is a pool forum to discuss issues, etc... but the REALITY is that this is the center of the pool world now, like it or not, at least in the US. People often take what is written here as gospel and look to it to guide them to events, to action, how to play, etc. It's a little naive to think that everyone is going to be able to take what is written on these forums with a grain of salt and have the perspective that the discussions here are just behind the scenes to help improve the event.

I wholeheartedly agree with everything Billy has said here... don't poop where you masticate.
 
KoolKat9Lives said:
I've looked about the gwc website and still have not found whether they will escrow and how it is guaranteed. Has anyone got an answer on this? FYI, an email exchange I had with a contact at GWC was just posted at the long "other" GWC thread here in main.

Thanks,

Matt

(and no, I do not believe Joey is a designated spokesperson. I'm confident he was not designated by the GWC. I think he was trying to help pool, as he always does. He took the position of proponent. IMO)
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Lou knows that I am not a spokesperson for the Taylor Road Production. On that point, he is just being a D**K.

JoeyA
 
negative comments

in my opinion this thread was started out to give the OP personal opinion on the upcoming Galveston pool tournament. The OP's opinion was fresh and new and seemed well thought out.

Why is it then the same few people have to constantly chime in while continually repeating themselves? Even though their opinions have been stated in at least three or four other threads.

Just getting a little old IMHO.
 
Da Bank said:
I think that this position is completely short-sighted, no offense Lou.

We are talking about a major event that is about to be put on here that has the intent of changing pool, which we ALL know is a dying sport... and more rapidly than some may realize.

I could go back and search through some of the derogatory comments made about the event and it's promoters and post them here, but it's a waste of time.

The fact is that you can't prove a negative. So, does it really help to ask questions that propose really bad situations and expect some sort of answer? We can all sit here and come up with all sorts of doomsday scenarios for the event, but no one will ever know until it happens.

I absolutely understand your point that people have been burned and had their guts torn out by past scum balls. This business is often a shady one and participating in it is going to leave you heartbroken sometimes. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. These guys get one shot at impressing us, if they don't you can just add it to the stack of scum balls.

So, to answer your question... no, I don't think anybody on here has come out and openly said DO NOT ATTEND THIS EVENT OR ELSE, but throwing out conspiracy theories is only going to discourage people from choosing to make the trip. This isn't a cheap trip for some, even in Texas. It's a long event at a resort, hotels add up... the drive from Houston is not short or cheap, etc. Many people are probably looking for a reason not to attend and if they see a bunch of people questioning it they probably aren't going.

I agree that this is a pool forum to discuss issues, etc... but the REALITY is that this is the center of the pool world now, like it or not, at least in the US. People often take what is written here as gospel and look to it to guide them to events, to action, how to play, etc. It's a little naive to think that everyone is going to be able to take what is written on these forums with a grain of salt and have the perspective that the discussions here are just behind the scenes to help improve the event.

I wholeheartedly agree with everything Billy has said here... don't poop where you masticate.
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Fair enough -- everyone sees things differently, sometimes by a little sometimes by a lot. But I do have to say that, having been through most of the related threads, I don't see the negativity, or even conspiracy theories, you feel are there. Just legit questions about a big event.

Lou Figueroa
 
JoeyA said:
Lou knows that I am not a spokesperson for the Taylor Road Production. On that point, he is just being a D**K.

JoeyA
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You must have me confused with that guy from San Jose :-)

Lou Figueroa
but you sure act
like their spokesmodel
 
Klink said:
in my opinion this thread was started out to give the OP personal opinion on the upcoming Galveston pool tournament. The OP's opinion was fresh and new and seemed well thought out.

Why is it then the same few people have to constantly chime in while continually repeating themselves? Even though their opinions have been stated in at least three or four other threads.

Just getting a little old IMHO.
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The "Ignore" button is your friend.

Lou Figueroa
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyA
Lou knows that I am not a spokesperson for the Taylor Road Production. On that point, he is just being a D**K.

JoeyA


lfigueroa said:
You must have me confused with that guy from San Jose :-)

Lou Figueroa
but you sure act
like their spokesmodel
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Acting and being are two different things.

JoeyA
 
lfigueroa said:
Maybe I missed it, but where has anyone been trying to discourage people from attending?

Certainly you cannot be saying that there is something inherently wrong with asking questions of the promoter (or their designated spokesmodel)!?

Or are you?

I think one of the central points being missed in this whole discussion is that at least some of the people asking questions (I certainly cannot speak for them all) do care about the sport and the success of this and all pool events. BUT they are not willing to do as in the past: shut up and color.

As you know first-hand, Billy, that's been tried for a long, long time in pool. And then what happens after the smoke has cleared, is that everyone licks their wounds and consoles themselves by saying such pithy things as, "Well, it was better than nothing."

I think the questions are a good thing and there is nothing negative about asking them. Just think if that had been the norm going back some time. Maybe the IPT would never had a chance to do what they did -- who knows. But for better or worse, it is now post-IPT in the pool world, and I think it is incumbent upon pool players, if they truly do care about the health of the sport, to ask the tough questions upfront. AND promoters, across the board, should be prepared to answer those questions and the concerns of those they are asking to invest time and money, to support their event.

In any case, if anything is going to help pool and support the game into the future, it won't be the questions anyway -- it'll be the *answers* the questions generate ;-)

Lou Figueroa
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I can see both sides of this and have been watching pretty closely.

Firstly, I have not been inthis game or at the level Billy has, but, I'm n=only 8 years younger and in our eyes that ain't that much.

Pool has been up, and it has been down. The IPT failed and that is too bad, but everyone knows it and what happened and what effect it had on many. Still, a group comes along and offers something to geerate cash for both pro's and The amatuers as well. In spit of waht has happened in recent years, they lay their money out there and risk it. True, they couldl pooibly take a bad beating. Folks in my day, that was called "heart" and something I feel this game is lacking.

It is mot imperative we agree with the pomoters of this event. Yes, there are many good suggestions here and I suspect this group has noticed and taking notes. In most ventures, there are always things which could have been done better, but, when the man puts up his dough, well, he has theloudest voice and usually the final decision. In this game, lessons are hard learned and those who survive ararely make the same mistkes over and over.

This is their first shot at this, and I doubt all will go perfectly, I hope differently, but probably not. They will take notes and hopefully be back next year with an even bigger and better idea and will have tweeked many areas.

I hope tey are supported here and then thatked for their efforts. People who ante up their dough for this game hardly get many thank you's at all, ususally just a good bashing and a whole lot of " i told you so's"! It can be a tough pill to swallow.

We allhave opinions and as Billy menttions there are several different perspectives here. Somebody is gonna get the dough, that is what matters most,,,IMO!
 
JoeyA said:
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyA
Lou knows that I am not a spokesperson for the Taylor Road Production. On that point, he is just being a D**K.

JoeyA




Acting and being are two different things.

JoeyA
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Point taken.

Lou Figueroa
now knows Joey is
their acting spokesmodel ;-)
 
Could somebody post a brief synopsis of what this tournament is and when it will take place? Billy is a good guy and I hope it works out.

Thanks,
Al
 
lfigueroa said:
Fair enough -- everyone sees things differently, sometimes by a little sometimes by a lot. But I do have to say that, having been through most of the related threads, I don't see the negativity, or even conspiracy theories, you feel are there. Just legit questions about a big event.

Lou Figueroa
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Lou,

What you don't understand, perhaps, and all respect to you sir... is that those questions are really unfounded and they breed negativity. They put the "what if" in people's head.

If I walked up to a new restaurant and started asking myself all the "what ifs" about it, I may never try a new restaurant. What if the chef didn't wash his hands? What if I don't like their rice? What if a meteorite hits the building while I'm dining? What if they don't allow me to have as many drinks as I please?

The point is, you can come up with thousands of "what ifs" and never knwo the real answer until you TRY! There is no reason to ask the what ifs.

You need to give it a chance and then analyze the results.
 
Multi-discipline (8, 9 and 10 ball and One Pocket and now 3C)
Amateur and Pro events. Guaranteed 1st place payouts. Team and Women only events. Lots of Bar Boxes and 9 foot Diamond tables.

Sept 11-23 in Galveston TX at the Moody Gardens Resort hotel.

Cutoff date for entry fees is July 31 and then there is an extra cost for processing.



alstl said:
Could somebody post a brief synopsis of what this tournament is and when it will take place? Billy is a good guy and I hope it works out.

Thanks,
Al
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Sounds like a great event. It is a shame the top Europeans will not be able to play due to a date clash and no WPA sanctioning.

I know several that would have happily made the trip.
 
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