My view on how low Pro payouts are..

cueman said:
Johnny Archer has done well on the business side of things with his winnings also. He had some very good years on tour and listened to a successful business man that also was on tour with him and has done well. I am proud of him for that. Mizerak did really well in business, as did Nick Varner, Mike Sigel, Jim Rempe, Lorie Jon Jones, David Hunter, Joey Gold, Grady Mathews, Leonard Bludworth, David Howard, Larry Hubbart, Willie Mosconi, Minnesota Fats, Mike Gulyassy and CJ Wiley. There are many more Pro's who took their winnings and did something with them that made them successful in business and society. I do think more have wasted their money than not, but many have done well and I applaude them for that.
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Cueman.. Well said. That's the point I was trying to make.. I think the overwhelming majority of the players p*ss away their money instead of investing in a future. For those who are just living the life of a rockstar, I'm just saying they better remember that unless you happen to be one of the all time greats, you have a very limited time in which you will be playing well enough to win multiple majors. If you don't do something with that money, then it'll eventually catch up with you.

Russ
 
While I don't agree with everything that Russ has said, I do agree with some of it. I think Russ's original intention was to point out the fact that the pros went into a the profession knowing that it was very difficult to make a good living in term so $$$$. It was their choice so they don't have much of a leg to stand on when they complain about it being difficult to make a good living. They knew what they could expect to make.

It is kind of like some relatives of mine that are teachers. They used to bi*ch all the time about not making enough money. But when it came around to summer and we asked if they were going to get a temporary job their response was always "hell no, that would ruin my summer".

My girlfriend is also a teacher, and a very good one at that, and I see how much work she puts into it. Does she deserve more money, YES. But everytime she complains about it, I ask her if someone told her she was going to make 100k teaching? I ask her if she was told she would make more than what she currently is teaching. Then if she went into teaching to get rich? The answers are always NO, so she has no right to complain about low pay when she knew exactly what to expect when she DECIDED to go into it.

Pro pool players should have known that it was going to be very difficult to make a good living playing pool. If they didn't know it either they didn't pay attention or were in denial. They chose the life. I understand that $$$ and a good life are not necessarly the same thing. Different people have different priorities. If they are going to be happy shooting pool then I am all for it but I won't feel sorry for them when they don't make any $$$$. If someone needs to make $XXXX per year to raise a family but can only expect to make $YYYY per year shooting pool, then guess what, they have to choose between raising a family and being a pro.

I wanted to go to school and study History but I couldn't write a book and I didn't want to teach so I went business instead. I faced reality and made the decision that I thought would be best for my future. If I would have went history and then tried to get jobs that a business degree would have been a better match, I would have only had myself to blame when I didn't have a job.

We have all had to make decisions bassed on what our priorities were at the time. We all have to live with them. No one tricked Pro players into shooting pool for a living by telling them they would make a fortune. I hope they enoy their lives but if they need big $$$$ for that, they probably picked the wrong profession.

It is all a trade off. I would like to bass fish for a living but only a few guys in the world make enough doing it fulltime to raise a family and make a decent living. So I will try to make enough money now, so that I can retire and afford to fish and shoot pool as much as I want later on.

Just my 2 cents.

Nathan
 
I have mixed feelings on this topic as its something I've always battled with.
I played snooker full time when I left school and sometimes regret not persuing it. However I didn't think it was the sensible thing to do so ended up going to Uni to get a degree.

I was lucky enough to rediscover the passion for pool 10 years later and have had some great times over the past 2 years realising some dreams. As many know I took 6 months out from work to play pool, this turned into a year and despite winning $8000 I spent 3 times that but still had the time of my life!

I don't always hate my day job and I don't always love travelling to play pool. In fact playing on the Euro Tour 7 times last year almost become a chore. I prefer to go away to places I enjoy visiting and combining pool with travel.

I'm more likely to fondly remember playing pool on TV or at a world championships when I'm on my death bed than any website I built or how much money I managed to acrue. However my year out answered my own questions and I'm still not ready to give up the comforts and other luxuries a decent salary allows.

I'm always battling with trying to live life as if every day was your last and trying to be sensible in case I live to 100! This is no easy task and everyone makes their own choices on how to do it best.

We can't all live the life of riley! :p

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Okay, okay.. A general response to clear everything up.

First of all, I never had a problem with John before he made the post where he made the statement about bar tables being "ego-building, non skill requiring pieces of s**t." And you call me arrogant? John might have a love for the game of pool, but only a love for the way HE feels it should be played, and on the equipment he feels it should be played on. When asked "If 9 foot is good, then why isn't 10 foot better? And why isn't 12 foot the best?", there was no response. I am not jealous of John at all. I just have an intense dislike of him because of his arrogance that since he is a good player, he has the right to pass judgement on a table size that quite a few pro players enjoy playing on immensely. If I have a superiority complex, then John certainly does as well.

Second of all, I reiterate what I said before. If I am right, no pro pool player now currently playing was alive when pool was a profitable profession for more than 3 or 4 American players. Pros followed their dream, knowing the odds were overwhelmingly against them. Now, some of them are complaining how there is no money in pool. And I am flabbergasted. I don't want to hear it.

And third of all, a lot of you seem to be harping on the same old point, "You are attacking pros because you can't do what they can do.

Umm, no. I am of the opinion if you have a certain level of eyesight (before or after correction) that ANYone can reach pro level play. It just depends on how smart and committed to winning they are. And I tell ya, I'm perty smart. And my wife will tell you, she's never met anyone with as much desire to win as me.

Really, it's not about jealously. It's about people having a sense of "entitlement". Anyone who has read my posts in the Off Topic forum knows that I hate it when people use words like "deserve" and "entitled", etc. I hate the fact my tax dollars go to fund the single mother of 5 who has no job. What on EARTH was she doing having five children without a stable financial situation??? Oh yeah, I forgot, we pay welfare recipients by the child. That makes it so much more clear.

In this life, you get what you EARN, unless you are handicapped or otherwise physically unable to work. Answering another poster's question, yeah, I DO believe the non-teen, non college students working at fast food restaraunts in non managerial positions made some bad choices along the way. I look at life as a series of decisions. Certain common decisions make life much simpler in most situations. Some make life much harder, again, in most situations. Selling drugs, for example. In my mind, there is no situation that justifies selling drugs. It's not a "mistake". It's something that shows such a deep, fundamantal lack of character that it is almost unforgiveable. Lives are destroyed by a drug dealer. If there is a God, he may forgive, but I sure won't.

These are points I have made before on the forum. I am one of those people that see the world mostly in black and white. Right and wrong choices. You want to know how committed I am to my values? When I came back from the Middle East after a year and decided I wanted to just stay at home with the family for a year, I did not apply for unemployment. I had every right to do so for the short term, but in my mind, I was making the decision not to work, and society should not pay for that.

So, back to the original statement. I stand by it. "Pros", if you want to play pool for a living, by all means, do so. I don't want to hear a single solitary one of you complain about how little money there is in the game.

I want to play pool full time, too. I'll admit that. That's why I am saving enough to support a family of four, and put 3 people through college at once while I take off for another year to practice/play full time.

I don't particularly care "how good" I get in that time period. I just want to play the best I am capable. If you think by this thread I meant that I was jealous of the level of pro play, you are sorely mistaken. There is only one person I am jealous of, and that is Efren. He was the one truly born with a gift. He is better by far than any of the other Filipino players. Alcano, Pagulayan, Manalo, they all have to stand the test of time to be as successful as Efren over their careers. In my mind, he is the only one worthy of envy, as he has pretty much been playing at this high level of play since his teens. It just took a while for him to settle down in tournaments. Along with his skill, he is a family man, and was lucky enough to be born in a country where his pool winnings effectively allows him to live like a millionaire.

Please, give me SOME credit. I can find better people to be jealous of than John Schmidt.

Russ
 
tk_it_ez said:
While I don't agree with everything that Russ has said, I do agree with some of it. I think Russ's original intention was to point out the fact that the pros went into a the profession knowing that it was very difficult to make a good living in term so $$$$. It was their choice so they don't have much of a leg to stand on when they complain about it being difficult to make a good living. They knew what they could expect to make.

It is kind of like some relatives of mine that are teachers. They used to bi*ch all the time about not making enough money. But when it came around to summer and we asked if they were going to get a temporary job their response was always "hell no, that would ruin my summer".

My girlfriend is also a teacher, and a very good one at that, and I see how much work she puts into it. Does she deserve more money, YES. But everytime she complains about it, I ask her if someone told her she was going to make 100k teaching? I ask her if she was told she would make more than what she currently is teaching. Then if she went into teaching to get rich? The answers are always NO, so she has no right to complain about low pay when she knew exactly what to expect when she DECIDED to go into it.

Pro pool players should have known that it was going to be very difficult to make a good living playing pool. If they didn't know it either they didn't pay attention or were in denial. They chose the life. I understand that $$$ and a good life are not necessarly the same thing. Different people have different priorities. If they are going to be happy shooting pool then I am all for it but I won't feel sorry for them when they don't make any $$$$. If someone needs to make $XXXX per year to raise a family but can only expect to make $YYYY per year shooting pool, then guess what, they have to choose between raising a family and being a pro.

I wanted to go to school and study History but I couldn't write a book and I didn't want to teach so I went business instead. I faced reality and made the decision that I thought would be best for my future. If I would have went history and then tried to get jobs that a business degree would have been a better match, I would have only had myself to blame when I didn't have a job.

We have all had to make decisions bassed on what our priorities were at the time. We all have to live with them. No one tricked Pro players into shooting pool for a living by telling them they would make a fortune. I hope they enoy their lives but if they need big $$$$ for that, they probably picked the wrong profession.

It is all a trade off. I would like to bass fish for a living but only a few guys in the world make enough doing it fulltime to raise a family and make a decent living. So I will try to make enough money now, so that I can retire and afford to fish and shoot pool as much as I want later on.

Just my 2 cents.

Nathan

Nathan,

You put it more eloquently (and more non-confrontationally) than I ever could. Good job.

I think that because I am a pretty good player who quit early to take care of my family, it is assumed by most on here than I envy the pros. Not at all. I just don't want to hear them complain of lack of money.

Russ
 
Russ, when I first met John it was under some really strange circumstances. I made my decision about what kind of person he was and was very open about it on this very forum. We had our rounds and when we ran into each other at a few tournies we got to talking and I realized that I had passed judgement on him wayyyyyyyy to quickly. John is really not the arrogant type of person that you are making him out to be. We have hung out both inside and outside of a pool environment and he really is a down to earth person. Im sure that whatever remarks he made that has you feeling this way about him, he had good reason to make. JMO.

Southpaw
 
Russ I think you just did this post to cause conflict.You should seek a new hobby or better doctor.....John and to everyone else I would not waste a another key stroke's on this thread.
 
I think Russ makes an an absolutely excellent point about the current state of pool and balancing reponsibilities as one navigates their way through life.

I don't agree at all with the smaller point dealing with certain player decisions and sympathy. I think it uneccessarily hijacked the subject. I think it's important when criticizing the actions of a part of a group to try to be careful not to include the group as a whole. Unfortunately, this is where I think most of the critical replies are coming from and rightly so.

I have to say I really don't like the word "sympathy" to begin with. When used improperly, it can be very condesending. To also say that one has "no sympathy" as often as it appears in Russ's post implies a deep personal contempt that takes away from some perhaps otherwise valid points.
 
Southpaw said:
Russ, when I first met John it was under some really strange circumstances. I made my decision about what kind of person he was and was very open about it on this very forum. We had our rounds and when we ran into each other at a few tournies we got to talking and I realized that I had passed judgement on him wayyyyyyyy to quickly. John is really not the arrogant type of person that you are making him out to be. We have hung out both inside and outside of a pool environment and he really is a down to earth person. Im sure that whatever remarks he made that has you feeling this way about him, he had good reason to make. JMO.

Southpaw

??? He made it pretty clear. He thinks that bar tables are ego-building, do not require any skill, and are pieces of s**t. It doesn't leave much to interpretation. Despite the fact that your opponent is required to shoot on the same table, he somehow thinks less skill is required. Funny, Keith Mcready had little problem beating everyone he was "supposed" to beat on a bar table back in the day. He "retired" a few Mexican champions.

If bar tables do not require skill, then how did Keith consistently beat the champions he beat? I don't get it. John never explained that to me. But he did say that we should take his word for it, because he is a champion. Have you read the thread Southpaw? He really does make some neat statements on how he knows more than mere mortals, so we should listen to him.

Until he convinces me otherwise, I'm gonna consider him an arrogant pr**k. And I am still gonna think that Hillbilly is the nicest poolplayer I've ever chatted with online. John thinks all pro players get bashed. Nope, just the ones who are jerks.

Russ
 
And another point:

I am from a military background. In the units I have been in, you are NOT allowed to complain unless you also present a solution to the problem.

And I believe that's the way it should be. Pro players simply should not be complaining about payouts but unwilling to either put forth suggestions on how to change it, or organize to change things.

Russ
 
JCIN said:
I have heard road gamblers and "stable family men" both b!tch about the exact same things. I know many, many men who would at times love to be able to get up and do whatever they wanted when they wanted. Just as I know some guys with too much time on the table who wonder if they are going to die alone and broke.

To expand on your point: In recent history, even those who thought they were making good, solid choices which would keep them in the "American Dream" have found out the hard way that factors far beyond their control have wreaked havoc with those plans. As one of many possible examples I could give, there are a lot of former US auto workers (both hourly and salaried) who are wondering if they are going to die alone and broke. So, whether we set out to go gambling for tens of thousands of dollars or not, every time we make a life choice we are wagering on our future in some way.

JCIN said:
I see your point Russ. But I also bet everyone here has made decisions with their heart instead of their head. And we all deal with results the best we can. No use hammering some one for it.

Ah, yes, the "Heart Decisions" - of which marriage is probably the most common, and probably the greatest single source of financial ruin for heads of household everywhere. Talk about gambling...

Ken
 
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Russ Chewning said:
Okay, okay.. A general response to clear everything up.

I hate the fact my tax dollars go to fund the single mother of 5 who has no job.

It's your can of worms....

If I'm not mistaking my tax dollars pay your paycheck while you sit in the green zone. I wouldn't mind so much if you were still in the military but it seems you are over there chasing the dollar on my dime....my apologies if I have made the wrong assumption here. We know what John does for a living, what is it you do again?
 
Russ Chewning said:
And another point:

I am from a military background. In the units I have been in, you are NOT allowed to complain unless you also present a solution to the problem.

And I believe that's the way it should be. Pro players simply should not be complaining about payouts but unwilling to either put forth suggestions on how to change it, or organize to change things.

Russ
In the Old School Military i was in we were NOT allowed to complain even IF a person had suggestions for a solution !!! :eek:
 
Slider said:
So, whether we set out to go gambling for tens of thousands of dollars or not, every time we make a life choice we are wagering on our future in some way.
Ken

The comparison could be made in poker of drawing to an inside straight for all your money with one card to come versus calling all in with AA preflop.

One, your odds of winning are 1 in 12, and the other, you are a 7 to 1 favorite.

The point is, some choices have a MUCH higher chance of turning out positively than others.

Russ
 
Sometimes life takes you down roads and you have no idea how you got there. Sometimes a road diverges and you aren't even aware you are taking a branch that is making a lifelong impact or commitment.

I think that happens for a lot of pool players. Many come from dysfunctional families and the only place where they could escape or had a sense of family was the poolroom. Pool does not differentiate in color, wealth, or age...only skill.

Mike escaped school because back then, there were no advanced classes for gifted students. He was clearly bored. His stepfather beat him mercilessly. He went to the bowling alley his parents owned and saw that a guy there was making fistfuls of cash on the backroom pool tables and decided he could do that too. He also lost all of his allowance playing a 3 cushion player. The money came easily and pretty soon he could beat those guys and went on the road with one of them.

Ironically, I think Mike chose a pool career, because it afforded him so much easy cash in the beginning. Much more than his peers. He went out and bought his brothers go-carts and his sisters clothes...all as a teenager. Did he make the right choice, given the climate of pool now? Maybe not, but I think it would be a shame to not have shared his talent for pool with the west coast.

You have to wonder if pros picked pool or if pool picked them. Some are gifted with the propensity for playing pool. Blessed with attributes like good eyesight, hand-eye coordination, spatial reasoning and perception, strategic planning, and a great stroke, many players fall into the sport because they got good early at a sport they were drawn to.

Russ, you say that if you practiced 12 hours a day, you could become a champion, but I don't think that holds true for everyone. I don't think I could become a virtuoso at the violin or piano, no matter how long I practiced. Sometimes career choices are just not so cut and dried.

I remember back after high school, 3 of us friends decided we wanted to get into Radiology. I had no burning desire to do that, but I knew I wanted to go to college. I really wanted to be a teacher but there was a hiring freeze and my ability to become hired after school scared me away.

I knew I did not want to be a nurse because they had to do enemas, and instead became a Radiologic Technologist and had to do barium enemas anyway! I did not really decide that I was going to become an RT, it happened because my friends decided to do it too. One is now a medical transcriptionist working from home and one is high up in Digital Film at 3M.

Back then, careers like lawyers and doctors for women were unheard of and I was certainly not a maverick. Held down by my parent's discouraging belief system that I could never do anything more than be a nurse or teacher, I never tried.

However, I was one of the few technologists trained to do lymphangiograms, a procedure that involved me prepping, injecting anesthetic between the toes, and then making incisions in the top of people's feet and injecting dye into their lymphatic vessels...about the size of a strand of hair. One miss and you blew that vessel! The doctor that trained me made 1"-2" incisions and used blue dye to localize the lymphatic vessels to differentiate them from blood vessels. It became a challenge to me to do it better, for my patient's sake, and I got so I could make 1/4" incisions and locate the lymphatics by sight and feel alone...without the blue dye. So I think I could have gone on and become a good surgeon. By the time I believed that though, it was too late to go back to medical school. :(

I went into Sales, and then Sales management and now work out of my home doing Sales. So yeah, even though I 'decided' I wanted to go to college and worked my way through on Work-Study and had loans to pay my own way, I know I played pool a good majority of the time after my first year of college. If I had known there was some kind of 'career' in it, I probably would have quit college then and there, lol.
 
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Linda,

If anyone will actually read what I type without attributing anything extra to it, it's you.

All I have been trying to say is those that play pool for a living make a choice. I am not saying it is a bad or good choice, but it is a choice. I just have an issue with certain players who complain about the lack of money in pool.

I won't mention names, but a certain pro player committed a crime and went to prison for a few years. Then, he came out of prison and had a wife and a child to take care of. And complained to anyone who would listen about the different reasons pool players did not make enough money.

First, he made the choice, or fell into playing pool. Then, he met a girl. Now, at this point, he has to make an honest assessment whether or not he is going to stay with this girl long term, and if so, is he going to be able to provide for this girl? Or are they both going to work? Do they make enough money? Should we have a child? And the list goes on and on.

I never heard Mike ever complain about pool. He truly seems to have enjoyed his life around pool, from what I have seen. He met you, a nice girl, and seems to be overcoming a lot of things that have held him down.

I'm talking about pros who are vocal about how little money there is in pool. We have both met them, Linda. And I just don't have the patience for it.

I truly do wish I could empathize with other people more. I do tend towards the analytical, but don't feel unhappy about my life, despite what some on here believe. I just happen to know what I believe to be right and wrong. Some of my views on that subject are quite controversial. I accept that. I also accept the fact that people find American Idol entertaining, not for the good singers, but for getting to hear non talented people get lambasted. I do not understand why people find seeing someone get insulted after trying their best entertaining, but they do. I find seeing how Laffy Taffy candy is made by watching a Discovery Channel show entertaining. I do acknowledge that the vast majority of things I find entertaining others do not, and vice versa.

I love pool for the challenge of executing every shot perfectly. Yes, I do believe I would have been a champion if I wished to give up the chance at a different life when I were younger. To me, the drama generally associated with the emotions of being in a pressure situation were not that big a deal. After a few months of playing against good players, I realized that just removing the emotion from the game and just working on making a fundamentally correct stroke every time was the way to go. From the moment I made that decision, I saw it was just a matter of practice. After that, I just adopted an attitude of "Just give me one shot. The rest is completely on me. I just so happened to meet my future wife the next month. I found the choice between being a champion pool player and raising a family in comfort to be an easy one.

I had a rough childhood too. Thankfully, it didn't take me long to find someone special. A lot of people who've had it rough take quite a while to find a healthy relationship. I don't regret meeting my wife at all. I know that I gave up pool for her. I still don't regret it, because I realize pool will always be there. It's not going away.

Russ
 
Russ, we do things for a reason. There is a motivation behind your post. You're also posting on a pool forum, which tells me you'd be pretty passionate about the game?

Saying you're jealous of John is simplistic...

But it seems to me obvious that you resent something. Don't say you're claiming the choice to be a pro player is value-free, because your posts are laden with judgemental comments. Worse, your judgement seems to rest on dollar figures and the usual school-job-kids life-progression which makes millions upon millions depressed and miserable.

Like John said, there is more than one path in life. And the resentment from your post may indicate, at least, that you are fascinated with the lives pro players have...

It's a tough reality for us amateurs to admit to. We'd all like to run balls like the pros do. It is a frustrating game which is painstaking to learn and so on...we frequently protect ourselves from frustration by saying "if only I could play pool all day like the pros do."

I, for one, am jealous of John's ability, perhaps even his lifestyle (though that's different than saying I'm jealous of HIM).

The bottom line is, I don't believe that your post is so magnanimous and emotionally detached. I think you wish you could live this alternate lifestyle like many of us who WORK rather than PLAY, and with every attraction, a repulsion...

It's easy to make judgemental claims on gambling and so on, and protect yourself from this desire to live another life vicariously... All you have to do is refer to mainstream value-judgements about how our lives should be lived according to a pre-conceived, well-rehearsed schema, and how much money or status we have.
 
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lewdo26 said:
Russ, we do things for a reason. There is a motivation behind your post. You're also posting on a pool forum, which tells me you'd be pretty passionate about the game?

Saying you're jealous of John is simplistic...

But it seems to me obvious that you resent something. Don't say you're claiming the choice to be a pro player is value-free, because your posts are laden with judgemental comments. Worse, your judgement seems to rest on dollar figures and the usual school-job-kids life-progression which makes millions upon millions depressed and miserable.

Like John said, there is more than one path in life. And the resentment from your post may indicate, at least, that you are fascinated with the lives pro players have...

It's a tough reality for us amateurs to admit to. We'd all like to run balls like the pros do. It is a frustrating game which is painstaking to learn and so on...we frequently protect ourselves from frustration by saying "if only I could play pool all day like the pros do."

I, for one, am jealous of John's ability, perhaps even his lifestyle (though that's different than saying I'm jealous of HIM).

The bottom line is, I don't believe that your post is so magnanimous and emotionally detached. I think you wish you could live this alternate lifestyle like many of us who WORK rather than PLAY, and with every attraction, a repulsion...

It's easy to make judgemental claims on gambling and so on, and protect yourself from this desire to live another life vicariously... All you have to do is refer to mainstream value-judgements about how our lives should be lived according to a pre-conceived, well-rehearsed schema, and how much money or status we have.

Didn't even get through more than 2 sentences of your response.. Here goes..

JESUS ****ING CHRIST! HOW MANY TIMES do I have to say I could give two s***s how many balls a pro can put in a pocket?

I just want ALL pros to ACCEPT how life is and either ACCEPT what it is they are destined to earn as a player or CHANGE things!

That's IT! There's nothing more to it!

There's NO ulterior motive!

I just don't like people whining about their lives IN GENERAL!

I resent the fact that some pro players allude to the fact that pool is broke! It's not broke! It is what it is!

Quit trying to psycho-analyze me!

Russ
 
Russ Chewning said:
Linda,

If anyone will actually read what I type without attributing anything extra to it, it's you.

All I have been trying to say is those that play pool for a living make a choice. I am not saying it is a bad or good choice, but it is a choice. I just have an issue with certain players who complain about the lack of money in pool.

I'm talking about pros who are vocal about how little money there is in pool. We have both met them, Linda. And I just don't have the patience for it.

...
Russ

Russ, thanks for the compliment. I try to be fair. But sometimes being fair sees both sides, and whatever is in the middle (gray!)

To be honest, Mike gripes about the pay conditions of tournaments too. Sometimes the promoters take some of the prize money.

He is back to playing weekly $5 tournaments and making $50 to $100 a night...and that's if he wins. He is pitted against all the Filipinos here, as well as a lot of other good players, most times in a race to one! It's a hard struggle out there. It's a good thing we keep our finances separate, lol. At least his needs are small and his money goes to paying his bills, like insurance, cigs, gas, and he helps me with the house payment and buys most of the food. We had this arrangement 15 years ago when we moved in together and it didn't change when we got married. It seems to work.

While he makes drastically less than I do, he has always done what he can to 'provide' for me. He pays my way into tournaments and buys me drinks and food while we are there. I have him on a forced savings plan when he wins bigger tournaments. :p

He has seen JD, Timmy, and a plethora of other good players start dealing poker. He even went to school for it, but didn't finish. Todd got into real estate. Some guys are selling cars. It is not a great environment out there for the pool player.

I do see both sides of the fence, because our marriage is composed of both. What I see is that you are fed up with whiners who seem to have made their own lot in life, but that can happen in any profession. :)
 
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