Mystery Cue w/Fellini Case on eBay
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cueaddicts said:UH......yeah, if the hole is big enough.
Sean
Sean, It was clear to me that the notched diamond was inlaid into a round hole. Now,picture the cue with only dots for inlay,perfect,just like George whould have done and did do. I am surprised no one noticed this.Maybe Classic Joe knew this,but it was obvious to me. STB
As stated earlier....... Blank by Spain. Cue by Georgeskchengdds said:1) Was/Is this cue a Bushka??????
2) Is the forearm a Burton Spain?? I just checked my Burton Spain and it sure looks like a VERY similar forearm.
sherwin
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Someone went and inspected the cue in person and said the diamonds were put in later where dots used to be, so you are right. Looks like he is going to sell it to the highest bidder off-line. Says he has offers better than $5000. I had hoped to buy it but dropped out of the bidding.SPINTHEBALL said:
Almost...
Almost Chris.
His has only 2 dots in a row, with an offset diamond in the middle. Not 3 dots across like the one that you included the photo of.
The diamond inlay in a round hole was indeed what was bothering all of us about the diamonds. Good catch, whoever first said that the diamond was the key.
My cue has only dots in the butt and dots in the points. His diamonds in the points were the ones that particularly bothered me.
That doesn't take away from the Spain conspiracy, which everyone seemed to agree on. And the dots certainly could have been changed out a very long time ago - back before any of these cues were worth what they are now. But, it still makes you wonder why someone would do that back then even.
But then...I never understood why anyone would put a fake Rolls Royce nose on a perfectly good Volkswagen Beetle back in the 70's either.
If it is a Bushka, I'm sure it's not the first one that was raped by the fine art of customization by someone who simply thought that the diamonds on their Martin guitar would look better on it.
That would be a shame and it would certainly devalue the Bushka. But back in 1972, someone could've gotten really high one night and thought that it was a really "far out" idea.
Or...the cue was stolen in 1969, and the person who stole it was trying to hide its true identity because there was a lot of "heat" around it, and he or she saw an opportunity to temporarily settle a debt with this guy's dad, using it as collateral, which explains why they never came back for it. They never intended to.
I think my screenwriter's mind is onto something here. That makes the most sense to me. Exactly why the cue felt and seemed fishy to all of us. It is. It's just been fishy for a very long time. Since before it even ended up in his dad's closet.
I'll include some photos from the cue's eBay listing.
Good job, fellow cue sleuths.
Cain
Almost Chris.
His has only 2 dots in a row, with an offset diamond in the middle. Not 3 dots across like the one that you included the photo of.
The diamond inlay in a round hole was indeed what was bothering all of us about the diamonds. Good catch, whoever first said that the diamond was the key.
My cue has only dots in the butt and dots in the points. His diamonds in the points were the ones that particularly bothered me.
That doesn't take away from the Spain conspiracy, which everyone seemed to agree on. And the dots certainly could have been changed out a very long time ago - back before any of these cues were worth what they are now. But, it still makes you wonder why someone would do that back then even.
But then...I never understood why anyone would put a fake Rolls Royce nose on a perfectly good Volkswagen Beetle back in the 70's either.
If it is a Bushka, I'm sure it's not the first one that was raped by the fine art of customization by someone who simply thought that the diamonds on their Martin guitar would look better on it.
That would be a shame and it would certainly devalue the Bushka. But back in 1972, someone could've gotten really high one night and thought that it was a really "far out" idea.
Or...the cue was stolen in 1969, and the person who stole it was trying to hide its true identity because there was a lot of "heat" around it, and he or she saw an opportunity to temporarily settle a debt with this guy's dad, using it as collateral, which explains why they never came back for it. They never intended to.
I think my screenwriter's mind is onto something here. That makes the most sense to me. Exactly why the cue felt and seemed fishy to all of us. It is. It's just been fishy for a very long time. Since before it even ended up in his dad's closet.
I'll include some photos from the cue's eBay listing.
Good job, fellow cue sleuths.
Cain
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Did you drop out because of price or information about the cue? I should have said-Blank by Spain Cue by Balabushka.cueman said:
I figured $5000 was plenty to pay for a cue that 1/8 wobble in the butt and non-original inlays. My guess is a inlay or two popped out and some genious stuck diamonds in the place of the dots. He says he has offers over $5000 and he wanted $7500 for the pair. I knew there were problems with the cue but I still think it is real Bushka that had some work done on it later by someone who should have not touched it. But then again quality repairmen were rare 30 years ago.SPINTHEBALL said:
I know where I am going to send my cues if I want to lose money.
Can anyone here show me a Bushka with just two dots in the points? Anyone? There were three in a triangular pattern, but all the same size.
To suggest someone knocked out a round inlay, pulled 7 more just to put in square MOP is a little crazy. If we were dealing with inlays that Bushka never used, you might have a point. But the square slotted MOP was in his arsenal of inlays. BTW all the ones we have seen, they were put in round holes with black epoxy. Not to mention the finish looks right, the patina looks right.
When Bushka dressed the points, he 8 out of 10 times, would match the inlays.
So now you want to compare it to something, we just posted a Bushka with the 8 dot pattern and the slottted diamond pattern, identical to the one in the auction. Except the one on our site has a nameplate. The points are also decorated, in a similar pattern. The flow and everything about the cue is the same.
http://www.classiccues.com/cues/newcues_1.htm
None of this is counting the obvious things that make it a Bushka...
Joe
Can anyone here show me a Bushka with just two dots in the points? Anyone? There were three in a triangular pattern, but all the same size.
To suggest someone knocked out a round inlay, pulled 7 more just to put in square MOP is a little crazy. If we were dealing with inlays that Bushka never used, you might have a point. But the square slotted MOP was in his arsenal of inlays. BTW all the ones we have seen, they were put in round holes with black epoxy. Not to mention the finish looks right, the patina looks right.
When Bushka dressed the points, he 8 out of 10 times, would match the inlays.
So now you want to compare it to something, we just posted a Bushka with the 8 dot pattern and the slottted diamond pattern, identical to the one in the auction. Except the one on our site has a nameplate. The points are also decorated, in a similar pattern. The flow and everything about the cue is the same.
http://www.classiccues.com/cues/newcues_1.htm
None of this is counting the obvious things that make it a Bushka...
Joe
Although I too have never seen only 2 dots in a Balabushka point,I have never seen one with notched diamond inlay with the work looking so bad.Maybe it was the photos,but whatever the reason,the cue spoke for its self in other areas.I see now why the cue has not sold yet,as I would pass on a Balabushka bender.
Wow!
How did I MISS THIS?!!
Absolutely.
PLEASE PM ME!
There is nothing in the world as rewarding as an inter-continental, multi-national, sub-Saharan, trans-Global BLACK OPS KNITTING NEEDLE DROP.
Though it may put me, and some highly classified national knitting secrets at risk...
I'm in.
Hunter said:Pssst Buddy... Wanna buy some black market powder coated knitting needles?
How did I MISS THIS?!!
Absolutely.
PLEASE PM ME!
There is nothing in the world as rewarding as an inter-continental, multi-national, sub-Saharan, trans-Global BLACK OPS KNITTING NEEDLE DROP.
Though it may put me, and some highly classified national knitting secrets at risk...
I'm in.
SPINTHEBALL said:
Is this something that you know to be fact?
Sean
SPINTHEBALL said:
So, let's see, we have a Bushka with a polished weight bolt (or is it a polish weight bolt ?) with machine marks that look like it's a new aluminum bolt, an inlay that the owner says was replaced, but wasn't because then all the inlays would have been replaced, and maybe even a new joint, and a seller that won't authenticate.
Hmmm ... Let's back up here, one step at a time.
Do we all agree that's it's really a pool cue?
iconcue said:
Jeff,
From these pics yes...
Not saying...
But I can only guess at which dealer drove to see the cue.. but that would be like sending me to authenticate a Bugati.
Joe
iconcue said:
It actually raises the value because of the difficulty of putting a square peg into a round hole. You have to really pound on those puppies to get them tight.
There are a lot of funny things about cue values. For example the BB says Palmers are worth 25% more if they have a gold label instead of a silver label, which in itself adds 100% to the value of the cue.
I wonder where they came up with that one?
Probably the same place as the Bi-Centennial cue story.
Chris