Nature vs Nurture: New study in favor of Nature

grinded against some rough, unpleasant substances (or people) to get really sharp....

The way life trains us is similar to how a knife or sword is sharpened......it's necessary to be grinded against some rough, unpleasant substances (or people) to get really sharp......I had my share of "sharpening" experiences on the road gambling/hustling pool, and some of them made a vital change to how I experienced the world.

I remember when "Omaha John" and I were touring around on a road trip and ended up in a small bar in South Carolina. The owner of the bar was a BIG gambler and would take the 5 and the break from anyone playing on the bar table with the Big Cue Ball.

We had been going through a tough time and I was "breaking even" with everyone. Usually I would get ahead, then start "letting up," they would come back, "get even" and quit. This was getting annoying and I was beginning to question if I had enough "heart," to be a champion player.

This was a big thing in the gambling days, if you have the heart to close someone out. To put them away. And it was happening again, I had got up over 2k for $200 a game and now we raised it to $300. a game and the guy beat me 7 IN A ROW and we were just $100. winner.

Omaha John came up to me and said "if you're ever going to be a great road player you better do it now. I'm not out here "for my health," I have a wife and kid at home and I have to win, breaking even is for "suckers!"

He was serious, so, standing my cue against a near by stool, I stopped playing and went to the bathroom - it was "now or never," I thought, looking in the mirror, starring straight into my own eyes - "do you really want to be a pool player, do you really have what it takes?" I hesitated slightly, waiting for the answer to come from my "Inner Self"..... not the answer I wanted to hear, I HAD to know the truth....I needed to know and my life would change from that moment.

Finally the answer had come - I knew in my "heart of hearts" that the moment had arrived. "The Moment of Truth," I couldn't be a sucker, "stuck" at my current level, struggling to break even and making up excuses.

There was only one choice - to become a winner and break out of that "victim level" and do whatever it would take to learn the Truth about pool and what it takes to be the best.

I made that decision right then because I had to. And it's a decision that continues because life's much more about the "journey," than the "destination." Life is the best teacher, and at that moment my life was the game and for an instant they melded into One...The Game is the Teacher!

Often times we are held back because we don't need to win, we don't have to get better. I didn't have the luxury that day and I thank Omaha John for putting me in a situation where I had to be honest with myself. No one else matters when you're trying to get to the "next level,"{in life} it's all about ourselves.... it's about looking ourselves in the mirror and "real eyesing" that the answer we've been searching for is not outside, it's inside ourselves.

I went back out there and was like an entirely different person. John had been telling me to stop spinning my ball and playing low percentage shots....so I did. Others had made comments about my game that I had ignored because of my ego, so I incorporated those suggestions too - my perception had changed, the Game had given me a vital spiritual experience.

From that point I beat the guy out of over 8K and he looked like he had been drained of all his energy. I didn't care what it took I made myself shoot the correct shot, in the right way and forgot forever my childish reasons for not playing the Game correctly. To be a Champion at anything we must keep doing "the next right thing," whether we like it or not.

Looking back I can't help but think the chains of mediocrity had been broken, and I had started to become a player. From that moment on I had a "6th Sense" about pool and knew what I HAD to practice to improve and what I needed to ignore. "The chain breaks at it's weakest link" and that became the motto of my practice routines.


I'll always remember that lesson Omaha John Shuput and the Game taught me in that bar in South Carolina.... and the mirror that reflected what I needed to have "eyes that could see my self". 'The Game is the Inner Teacher'
 
they are sure to be going through many challenges

I have been subjected to "haters" much of my life. It's best to show them compassion, patience and tolerance, they are sure to be going through many challenges. Unfortunately the only way they relieve their own suffering is to strike out at someone.......or anyone they feel resentful towards. 'The Game is the Teacher'


CJ seems like a nice guy. He is also a legend both on and off the table. I don't use TOI - I'm fairly set in my ways- but it seems that there are a lot of people who say it has improved their game. I've watched some of his videos on YouTube and he certainly knows what he's talking about. The only thing I can see CJ being guilty of is being too nice, overly generous with his views and standing by what he says (backed up with a lot of personal success).

Regardless of this, this thread isn't about dumping on CJ and JB, but this seems to be the way that interesting threads go at the moment.

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CJ seems like a nice guy. He is also a legend both on and off the table. I don't use TOI - I'm fairly set in my ways- but it seems that there are a lot of people who say it has improved their game. I've watched some of his videos on YouTube and he certainly knows what he's talking about. The only thing I can see CJ being guilty of is being too nice, overly generous with his views and standing by what he says (backed up with a lot of personal success).

Regardless of this, this thread isn't about dumping on CJ and JB, but this seems to be the way that interesting threads go at the moment.

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Well he's in the business of selling his products and unlike JB he cares about his image ,,
Do you really think he would pick nature ,, of course not he wants people to believe it's all about knowledge and the right practice unlike JB he will offer some of that for free he understands the art of salesmanship ,,, but let's not be confused he could make it A touch of outside package it sell it and teach it and the results would be similar


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The way life trains us is similar to how a knife or sword is sharpened......it's necessary to be grinded against some rough, unpleasant substances (or people) to get really sharp......I had my share of "sharpening" experiences on the road gambling/hustling pool, and some of them made a vital change to how I experienced the world.

I remember when "Omaha John" and I were touring around on a road trip and ended up in a small bar in South Carolina. The owner of the bar was a BIG gambler and would take the 5 and the break from anyone playing on the bar table with the Big Cue Ball.

We had been going through a tough time and I was "breaking even" with everyone. Usually I would get ahead, then start "letting up," they would come back, "get even" and quit. This was getting annoying and I was beginning to question if I had enough "heart," to be a champion player.

This was a big thing in the gambling days, if you have the heart to close someone out. To put them away. And it was happening again, I had got up over 2k for $200 a game and now we raised it to $300. a game and the guy beat me 7 IN A ROW and we were just $100. winner.

Omaha John came up to me and said "if you're ever going to be a great road player you better do it now. I'm not out here "for my health," I have a wife and kid at home and I have to win, breaking even is for "suckers!"

He was serious, so, standing my cue against a near by stool, I stopped playing and went to the bathroom - it was "now or never," I thought, looking in the mirror, starring straight into my own eyes - "do you really want to be a pool player, do you really have what it takes?" I hesitated slightly, waiting for the answer to come from my "Inner Self"..... not the answer I wanted to hear, I HAD to know the truth....I needed to know and my life would change from that moment.

Finally the answer had come - I knew in my "heart of hearts" that the moment had arrived. "The Moment of Truth," I couldn't be a sucker, "stuck" at my current level, struggling to break even and making up excuses.

There was only one choice - to become a winner and break out of that "victim level" and do whatever it would take to learn the Truth about pool and what it takes to be the best.

I made that decision right then because I had to. And it's a decision that continues because life's much more about the "journey," than the "destination." Life is the best teacher, and at that moment my life was the game and for an instant they melded into One...The Game is the Teacher!

Often times we are held back because we don't need to win, we don't have to get better. I didn't have the luxury that day and I thank Omaha John for putting me in a situation where I had to be honest with myself. No one else matters when you're trying to get to the "next level,"{in life} it's all about ourselves.... it's about looking ourselves in the mirror and "real eyesing" that the answer we've been searching for is not outside, it's inside ourselves.

I went back out there and was like an entirely different person. John had been telling me to stop spinning my ball and playing low percentage shots....so I did. Others had made comments about my game that I had ignored because of my ego, so I incorporated those suggestions too - my perception had changed, the Game had given me a vital spiritual experience.

From that point I beat the guy out of over 8K and he looked like he had been drained of all his energy. I didn't care what it took I made myself shoot the correct shot, in the right way and forgot forever my childish reasons for not playing the Game correctly. To be a Champion at anything we must keep doing "the next right thing," whether we like it or not.

Looking back I can't help but think the chains of mediocrity had been broken, and I had started to become a player. From that moment on I had a "6th Sense" about pool and knew what I HAD to practice to improve and what I needed to ignore. "The chain breaks at it's weakest link" and that became the motto of my practice routines.

I'll always remember that lesson Omaha John Shuput and the Game taught me in that bar in South Carolina.... and the mirror that reflected what I needed to have "eyes that could see my self". 'The Game is the Inner Teacher'

That was a well told interesting & convincing story, about your rise from mediocrity...I enjoyed it the first time you told it..However, not so much the 2nd or 3rd repeat !..You really need to get some new 'apples to polish' CJ...jes sayin' ! :rolleyes:

I do agree, life on the road can involve some strange situations...Its one thing to have the best of the game, and carelessly let it slip away..Its when you have the worst of it, and overcome it, that becomes a real character builder !...(done both, more than once) :cool:

LATE EDIT; Not at all surprised you have had to deal with "hater's" ALL your life !...Try that 'mirror thingy' again, you know, "where the eyes can see yourself"....Maybe it will come to you, as to WHY !
 
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I did feel sorry for him until I found out how brutal and disrespectfully he treated other people....now I just pity an old man that drank his life away with nothing to show for it


I don't know SJD, but if by drinking his life away you mean, working an honest job, raising a family and saving for retirement... yes, then utterly disgusting :rolleyes:
 
I did feel sorry for him until I found out how brutal and disrespectfully he treated other people....now I just pity an old man that drank his life away with nothing to show for it but bitterness and insulting behavior. I will show him patience and tolerance, it's the most I can do - 'The Game is the Teacher'



You are obsessed with trying to impress people, but almost ALL good players laugh at the way you go about it. Sorry if it chaps your ass, that there are so few players on this forum, so I have taken it upon myself to point out your MAJOR character flaws


You are pathetic.

Show some class towards a guy that played at a legendary speed, was inducted into the One Pocket HOF, worked a legit job, raised a family, and was cursed to lose the love of his life far too early.

You would have to be extraordinarily thin-skinned to take offense at SJD's jabs. I know, having been the target of any number of howling monkeys, for years.

Spar away, CJ, but try and keep the blows above the belt. Or is kicking someone in the nuts one of your martial arts secrets?

Lou Figueroa
 
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....Looking back I can't help but think the chains of mediocrity had been broken, and I had started to become a player....
"The chain breaks at it's weakest link" and that became the motto of my practice routines.<--Excuse me, but was this before, or after you invented "TOI"
...I'll always remember that lesson Omaha John Shuput and the Game taught me in that bar in South Carolina.... and the mirror that reflected what I needed to have "eyes that could see my self". 'The Game is the Inner Teacher'

I have been subjected to "haters" much of my life.**see below It's best to show them compassion, patience and tolerance, they are sure to be going through many challenges. Unfortunately the only way they relieve their own suffering is to strike out at someone.......or anyone they feel resentful towards. 'The Game is the Teacher'

**Not at all surprised you have had to deal with "hater's" ALL your life !...Try that 'mirror thingy' again, you know,... "where the eyes can see your inner self"....Maybe it will come to you, as to WHY so many resent you !
 
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That explains why Incardona doesn't post here. Two "apple polishers" on the same forum would never work.

ONB

Not hardly ONB !...Cardone makes sense, and he ain't trying to sell a bill of goods to the newbie's...His knowledge is free ! Billy's m'bud (could be why his "hater" count is real low :p)
 
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CJ is what we called, in my day, an "apple polisher"..His EVERY comment, and inference, involves self-promotion, and self-adulation !..I do confess that I bristle easily at those traits, and I do tend to push his (and JB's) buttons, probably a little too often.

SJD[/B]

That explains why Incardona doesn't post here. Two "apple polishers" on the same forum would never work.

ONB

Not hardly ONB !...Cardone makes sense, and he ain't trying to sell a bill of goods to the newbie's...His knowledge is free ! (could be why his "hater" count is real low :p)

SJD,

I didn't say Incardona didn't make sense, only that he fit the requirements you stated for an "apple polisher".

Cardone doesn't post here and the guy who could & did learn onepocket in three weeks doesn't post on onepocket site.

There must be a reason for both.

ONB
 
SJD,

I didn't say Incardona didn't make sense, only that he fit the requirements you stated for an "apple polisher".

Cardone doesn't post here and the guy who could & did learn onepocket in three weeks doesn't post on onepocket site.

There must be a reason for both.<--good point ONB

ONB

Let me do a little 'apple polishing' of my own. These links are from an older 1P.org thread, where everybody got to barking, and some feelings got bruised. Grady was trying to promote a partner game, against Billy I. and Artie B, vs. he and I....It is out of context (unless you read the whole thread) but after taking all the insults I've taken from Mr. Wiley, ....I just wanted to show him, and anyone else who thinks the way he does, that fortunately for me, not all top level player's share his views on my shortcomings.

http://www.onepocket.org/forum/showpost.php?p=13451&postcount=145

http://www.onepocket.org/forum/showpost.php?p=13561&postcount=187

PS..Sometimes we all like to hear a few compliments, instead of always being trashed by someone whos
never even met him..Right CJ !
 
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PS..Sometimes we all like to hear a few compliments, instead of always being trashed by someone whos
never even met him, and doesn't have a clue !....Right CJ !

I figured my last post, would be a 'thread ender' :eek:..I forgot to leave him bail-out room..How rude of me ! :p
 
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An embarassment to the pool world, actually. :p


No. What I meant was: none of us are perfect.

And if the day comes that, late in life, you lose the most precious person in your life and are left alone and somehow able to find temporary solace, wherever that might be, you may understand. Maybe not.

Sanctimonious accusations like yours are what constitutes an embarrassment to the pool world.

Lou Figueroa
 
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