Need a Ruling on Is this Unsportsmanlike Conduct during BCA Rules 8-Ball Game

[Korsakoff]

Don't think you have the situation correct in your head. Say you go for a kick and miss it, the cueball is heading towards a group of balls. You catch the cueball before it reaches them since you fouled anyway. Or it's heading in the direction of an 8 ball that is hanging and may hit it, so you stop it. That is now a flagrant foul not just a foul. Basically you are stopping a ball that is still rolling in the execution of a shot when it has a good chance of being in benefit to your opponent.

There is actually a video of a match where Mika does this vs SVB, he whiffed on a kick and put his cue in the way of the cueball as it was heading towards a pair of tied up balls. SVB complained but nothing was called since there was probably not a ref watching.

No, you can’t interfere with cue ball roll or object ball roll. That’s a foul.

Belligerent interference might be unsportsmanlik, dependent on the situation.

 

[Bob Jewett]

No, you can’t interfere with cue ball roll or object ball roll. That’s a foul.

Belligerent interference might be unsportsmanlik, dependent on the situation.

Intentionally changing the position of balls in play other than by a shot is unsportsmanlike conduct under the World Standardized Rules. I think the CSI rules are the same. The appropriate penalty depends on the situation, as you say.

 

[buckshotshoey]

Simple foul.

Unsportsmanship is more like acting a fool while your Opponent is attempting to make their shot.

Depends on what Cuedup meant. Did he mean hit the cue ball into an opponent's ball? Or cue tip actually contacting opponents object ball without using cue ball?

First scenario .... legal
Second.... should be sportsmanship violation.

 

[buckshotshoey]

You cannot get a bunch of people to all agree that water is wet. Let your club members know that there is 100% total agreement among experienced knowledgeable players that what he did was not a foul and was not unsportsmanlike conduct and is fully ok.

Of course the league operator has the final say.

 

[buckshotshoey]

Intentionally changing the position of balls in play other than by a shot is unsportsmanlike conduct under the World Standardized Rules. I think the CSI rules are the same. The appropriate penalty depends on the situation, as you say.

Yes. If the 8 ball is traveling to a wrong pocket, or you are about to make the 8 out of turn, and you stop the ball, it is loss of game. Same if you stop the cue ball in a potentially game losing situation. Stopping the cue ball from breaking a cluster is a sportsmanship violation.

 

[whammo57]

sounds like old bar room pool rules ...... where a safety is called bad pool..............

Kim

 

[chefjeff]

One good thing is that average folks HAVE a STRONG opinion on pool.

That's a good thing, I'd think. It reminds me of the post COM days when a lot of newbies tried to use their basement "rules" in the bars. It was a little in your face at times, but at least there was enthusiasm for the game!


Jeff Livingston

 

[fastone371]

That is a common 10-ball rule, but I’ve never heard of that being a rule in 8-ball.

In any case, communication is good, and if the other players asked what he was doing he should communicate clearly that he was playing an intentional foul. It sounds like no one there really knew the rules, so

When playing 8 ball if my opponent makes one of his balls and hooks himself Im not going to let him call a safety after the fact. Even if it were meant to be a safety but it is left uncalled how do I know as his opponent that he really was trying to play safe if he made one of his balls?? Of course this only stands if he makes one of his balls, if he doesn't make a ball its my turn no matter what, if he fouled its my turn with BIH. When I play 8 ball I always call a safe if there is any chance of one of my balls being pocketed, it all comes down to intention which is why it is call ball and pocket.

 

[ideologist]

What about the one pocket shot where you pin the cue ball against the rail with your tip and take a foul? I've seen that done before during gambling matches. Or just touch the cue ball with the side of your shaft and take a foul? Can you imagine Tony Chohan telling Alex Pagulayan that he is disqualified for unsportsmanlike conduct, then breaks down his cue, grabs the $200k off the light and walks out..

That's unsportsmanlike. You must stroke the ball, you can't touch it with a non-tip surface to effect position

 

[ideologist]

When playing 8 ball if my opponent makes one of his balls and hooks himself Im not going to let him call a safety after the fact. Even if it were meant to be a safety but it is left uncalled how do I know as his opponent that he really was trying to play safe if he made one of his balls?? Of course this only stands if he makes one of his balls, if he doesn't make a ball its my turn no matter what, if he fouled its my turn with BIH.

If he doesn't call the pocket or a safe, that's pretty lax of you to not check though. Could be argued either way at that point.

 

[Cuedup]

Depends on what Cuedup meant. Did he mean hit the cue ball into an opponent's ball? Or cue tip actually contacting opponents object ball without using cue ball?

First scenario .... legal
Second.... should be sportsmanship violation.

I mean using the cue to intentionally reposition an object ball without touching the cue ball.

I understand it to be a sportsmanship violation.

 

[BRussell]

When playing 8 ball if my opponent makes one of his balls and hooks himself Im not going to let him call a safety after the fact. Even if it were meant to be a safety but it is left uncalled how do I know as his opponent that he really was trying to play safe if he made one of his balls?? Of course this only stands if he makes one of his balls, if he doesn't make a ball its my turn no matter what, if he fouled its my turn with BIH. When I play 8 ball I always call a safe if there is any chance of one of my balls being pocketed, it all comes down to intention which is why it is call ball and pocket.

Yes, I got you now.