Need advice - deal not as expected

Pinocchio said:
You get 10,000 testimonials how people like smaller shafts. Then when you show it to someone all get to hear is if the shafts were 13mm I would be a buyer. I'm through buying cues with shafts below 12.7. If you are going to sell cues you need calipers an a good set of scales. I would feel at 12.5 all I had traded for was a butt. If I were you I would either want enough cash to have shaft made by cue maker or trade back no hard feelings.
Pinocchio
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Ain't this the damn truth... Hey I got 2 skinny shafts for sale.. check my other thread.. lol

JV
 
dakota said:
I have enough respect for the seller to not mention any names or details because I believe he is a good honest seller, but I am just seeking advice. If you were doing a trade with someone or buying a cue and you were told the shafts (2) were 12.75mm and then you received the cue to find shafts at 12.50mm and 12.51mm what would you do?

I really prefer shaft size of between 12.80-13.00mm and when you start getting down to 12.5 that gets into a range that starts making me turn away from buying a cue. I'm sure it could just be a innocent mistake by the seller, but I'm looking for advice how other people would handle this type of situation?

It's a trade-up deal where someone sent me paypal plus a cue which seems to make the situation a little more complex. I am open to any advice and I'm mainly just curious how others would handle a situation like this?

Thanks,

Dakota
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If you ewant to undo the deal, you're entitled, but let me say maybe the real problem is with electronic calipers. What you are talking about is the thickness of this line right here_____________________________________, or one sheet of photo paper. Without cheap electronic calipers, we wouldn't even know it.

Most of the good players I know play with shafts in the 12.5mm range or even less. I wore my Predator down from 12.5 to 11.9 in about 2 years from friction with my hands and contact with chalk on them. Let me just say that I can take electronic calipers and come up with any measurement within a .25 mm range just by squeezing the caliper head.

There are so many more important things about a shaft - the taper is far more important and the squirt - and the cue itself, the balance and so forth, focusing on something like this is just a psychological thing. Maybe to a pro it would actually make a difference, but so would a lot of other things and like everything else, in 15 minutes they would adjust to it and play like god.

Honest, no insult but this stuff gets into our heads. This never would have been an issue if they didn't invent cheap electronic calipers. Now they have digital scales and people are stressing out about gaining 1/2 pound too when a good pee will take care of it -does this make sense?

Chris
 
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TATE said:
If you ewant to undo the deal, you're entitled, but let me say maybe the real problem is with electronic calipers. What you are talking about is the thickness of this line right here_____________________________________, or one sheet of photo paper. Without cheap electronic calipers, we wouldn't even know it.

Most of the good players I know play with shafts in the 12.5mm range or even less. I wore my Predator down from 12.5 to 11.9 in about 2 years from friction with my hands and contact with chalk on them. Let me just say that I can take electronic calipers and come up with any measurement within a .25 mm range just by squeezing the caliper head.

There are so many more important things about a shaft - the taper is far more important and the squirt - and the cue itself, the balance and so forth, focusing on something like this is just a psychological thing. Maybe to a pro it would actually make a difference, but so would a lot of other things and like everything else, in 15 minutes they would adjust to it and play like god.

Honest, no insult but this stuff gets into our heads. This never would have been an issue if they didn't invent cheap electronic calipers. Now they have digital scales and people are stressing out about gaining 1/2 pound too when a good pee will take care of it -does this make sense?

Chris
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Amen and AMEN! I've learned not to worry about what size is quoted. Just play with the cue and decide if you like it or not and then move on. Keep it or sell it.
 
skins said:
what is the mm's 4 inches above the ferrule?
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Have another drink....roll one if you like...it'll be better tomorrow;)

on topic: MANY very good players play with thin (12.5mm-) shafts.

A small % of cues I've sold have gone to very good players.

The majority of people that buy/flip cues are more concerned about future resale and a lot of us have been beat up over shaft size. If I recvd 12.5mm shafts which were advertised as 12.75mm it's a deal breaker unless adjustments are made.
 
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These people that think it's not that big a difference are surprising me. .3 MM is .0118 (almost 12 thousandths). That's quite a bit in machinist terms and I can definitely feel the difference.

I'm not saying it matters or makes the shaft play different or whatever. I'm just saying that I can definitely feel the difference.
 
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Hal said:
These people that think it's not that big a difference are surprising me. .3 MM is .0118 (almost 12 thousandths). That's quite a bit in machinist terms and I can definitely feel the difference.

I'm not saying it matters or makes the shaft play different or whatever. I'm just saying that I can definitely feel the difference.
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People who like skinny shafts are just "used" to the feeling IMHO.. :D

But seriously I like a 12.7 / 13mm shaft. But when you get into the 12.5 and below range and you're accustomed to the thicker shaft, then it is definitely a sensory issue. Very much like light vs heavy in cues.

JV
 
Hal said:
These people that think it's not that big a difference are surprising me. .3 MM is .0118 (almost 12 thousandths). That's quite a bit in machinist terms and I can definitely feel the difference.

I'm not saying it matters or makes the shaft play different or whatever. I'm just saying that I can definitely feel the difference.
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Right, you get used to a certain size and weight, etc. then anything different feels....different.

I can definitely feel the difference too and the tip diameter actually does effect the way the shaft plays on side spin shots and also where you have to hit for draw or follow. What I'm saying is .25 on a 13mm object is only a 2% difference. Now, show me a player who can't adjust in a day to a 2% shaft difference and I will show you a cue makers nightmare!

I just got a new shaft in from Predator and they are about .75 mm thicker than my old shaft, which I wore out. I am going to have to spend hours adjusting to it.

Chris
 
some guys like em some don't

I would ask for a price refund. I feel you have been shafted somewhat.

I like a full 13mm personally. I had a guy put a tip on a 1700 custom cue

once, he took the shaft down quiet a bit when he put on the tip, i was so disgusted i sold the cue at a loss.
 
dakota said:
f you were doing a trade with someone or buying a cue and you were told the shafts (2) were 12.75mm and then you received the cue to find shafts at 12.50mm and 12.51mm what would you do?

I really prefer shaft size of between 12.80-13.00mm

Dakota
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Sounds like the shafts were already borderline on the thin side for you. So I expect you would have asked for confirmation on the size just to make sure they were not less than 12.75. Giving a measurement to 1/100th mm means someone has a good quality caliper, so I would not be happy if they arrived 25/100's off the stated size.
I dont think you will be happy with these shafts. Mentally you are disappointed and thats tough to overcome in this game.
 
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