Need help, rack from last night
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Problem with going with the one first, was the last two shots. Such a thin cut, the cueball will haul a$$ (IMO). I was thinking the cross side bank on the 7 with low right english for a two stop shot out, right? Problem with that is, how do you get the cueball out of the way so the 7 doesn't hit it on it's way into the pocket?
My standard answer here is:
Don't get tied up with how to win from impossible situations. A world beater is going to lose from here a good percentage of the time.
You be better served by posting a situation from 3-4 shots earlier in the rack. That's the time period this game is to be won or lost in.
Russ
Don't get tied up with how to win from impossible situations. A world beater is going to lose from here a good percentage of the time.
You be better served by posting a situation from 3-4 shots earlier in the rack. That's the time period this game is to be won or lost in.
Russ
I would have hit the 1 and floated the cue ball toward the bottom left pocket in your cuetable in line with the 7 ball. This forces my opponet to kick and get shape to win.
Banking the 7 or cut the 1 high right would be more aggressive. The bank looks like a kiss without an excellent hit and the 1 ball cut would be jacked up over the 8.
If the 8 is not there I am cutting with it there I'm ducking.
Banking the 7 or cut the 1 high right would be more aggressive. The bank looks like a kiss without an excellent hit and the 1 ball cut would be jacked up over the 8.
If the 8 is not there I am cutting with it there I'm ducking.
Two choices
Depends on how comfortable you feel with your speed. You could do:
Option 1
Fuzz the left edge of the 1 and try to hook the cue ball behind the 7. You want to be on the outside edge of the 7 in order to eliminate the shot off the rail for the 11. Even so, he probably angles off, hits the head rail and comes up for a bank on the 8.
Option 2 - You could bank the 7, using draw english and make the 11. Then he would be left with a pretty tough bank.
Depends on how comfortable you feel with your speed. You could do:
Option 1
Fuzz the left edge of the 1 and try to hook the cue ball behind the 7. You want to be on the outside edge of the 7 in order to eliminate the shot off the rail for the 11. Even so, he probably angles off, hits the head rail and comes up for a bank on the 8.
Option 2 - You could bank the 7, using draw english and make the 11. Then he would be left with a pretty tough bank.
Sorry the 1 ball cut would be high left.
Russ Chewning said:My standard answer here is:
Don't get tied up with how to win from impossible situations. A world beater is going to lose from here a good percentage of the time.
You be better served by posting a situation from 3-4 shots earlier in the rack. That's the time period this game is to be won or lost in.
Russ
I couldn't agree more with this advice. I see a lot of shots like these getting posted lately and although it is fun to explore the possibilities, to a degree, most of them are losing situations. I mean, it is important to be creative and come up with something that will put you in the best possible situation to win BUT more often than not, you're losing. Really good pool is learning how to plan ahead so you don't find yourself in trouble like this. Klockdoc posted a shot earlier today that got little notice which speaks volumes about many of the posters on this site. It was a minor trouble-spot where the shooter had an opportunity to easily recover and the question was which recovery route was the best way to go. These scenarios are much more valuable to the improvements of one's game over scenarios like these which are EXTREMELY specific and a losing outcome is likely.
Jude Rosenstock said:
Thanks for your input Jude and Russ. I apologize if you feel that I have wasted your time by putting up this thread, since it was a losing situation. But if you are not going to contribute, then why post?
The reason I was asking for advice, was that fact that I should have lost before I banked the 7. Did you not notice where the 13 and cueball were. My opponent had a great out and rattled the pocket. I was trying to steal a rack, and if a situation like this comes up again. I'll have a better idea on what to look for.
Earlier in the game
Bugz,
If you can remember, diagram and post in this thread the earlier shots leading up to this situation.
Maybe we can then see what happened that put you in this predicament.
As Jude and Russ stated, eliminating getting in this position is the correct method. Maybe by seeing "How you got there" we can give you some advise on minimizing getting in this arrangement again.
Bugz,
If you can remember, diagram and post in this thread the earlier shots leading up to this situation.
Maybe we can then see what happened that put you in this predicament.
As Jude and Russ stated, eliminating getting in this position is the correct method. Maybe by seeing "How you got there" we can give you some advise on minimizing getting in this arrangement again.
I think he just did. His opponent missed the 13 and got on the 8.
It is now his turn.
I always assume the player did not put himself in the situation and if he did, I always try to think he knows he should not be there and should have done something different earlier. As it stands, this is where I am, what do I do is what he is asking.
We all can't play perfect. If we did we wouldn't ask for advice on AZ.
It is now his turn.
I always assume the player did not put himself in the situation and if he did, I always try to think he knows he should not be there and should have done something different earlier. As it stands, this is where I am, what do I do is what he is asking.
We all can't play perfect. If we did we wouldn't ask for advice on AZ.
Well, you are supposed to lose from here, so don't feel too bad if it doesn't work out. Personally I'd try to cut the one in with left english, aiming to know my opponent's ball in. If I miss the one, he's left with a tough shot on the 8, if I make it I have a shot on the 7.
**edit: man, i did not even see the 13 ball hidding over ther ein the corner when i posted this. disregard all of it. blah, i suck.**
if the 8-ball was truely frozen, and probably if it wasnt, i would have most likely done this rather than trying to be a hero and left it in thier hands. either way, thats a tough bank on the 8. to go for the corner, a miss leaves you on the 1. and to go for the cross side, a miss leaves you for the 7 in the side or down table which is easy position on the 1. if they make the 8, its a damn good shot and deserves props.
if the 8-ball was truely frozen, and probably if it wasnt, i would have most likely done this rather than trying to be a hero and left it in thier hands. either way, thats a tough bank on the 8. to go for the corner, a miss leaves you on the 1. and to go for the cross side, a miss leaves you for the 7 in the side or down table which is easy position on the 1. if they make the 8, its a damn good shot and deserves props.
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Bugz said:
I think you're twisting my words here. You're simply paying too much attention to a losing situation and you need to pay more attention to being in control and keeping it that way. I'm not saying, "you're wasting my time". I'm saying, focus on winning NOT how to possibly avoid losing when most of the time you're going to lose anyway.
socks said:
Either you didn't notice the hanging stripe in the lower right corner or you don't like money.