Need info on a Kevin Varney J/B (2nd)

DrOnePocket

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I came across a Kevin Varney J/B that basically looks like a nice house cue. I was told that it is a 2nd. Meaning it wasn't good enough to sell at retail price. The cue is dead straight, and performs very well so I don't get it. In fact it is better than most of the J/B's I have ever used.

Here is my questions.

1. What causes these cues to be called 2nd'?
2. Why would a cue maker let a cue out of his shop that didn't meet his standards?
3. What is a cue like this worth?
 
I don't think the guy wants to know about what some people have to say about Varney's buisness practice that actually have not done any buisness with him in the first place. He wanted to know about a Varney j/b. And my answer to him is I never heard of a 2nd, But I have a player and a matching j/b and they both play great. And if the j/b are so bad why are the Varney haters on a raffle to try to win one ???? I guess they just want to save someone else the termoil of owning one.. And this guy was not asking about buying from Varney . So if you want a cue get one how ever you can ,,my opinion is you won't be sorry( CONTACT KEVIN VARNEY ONE HERE AND ASK HIM ABOUT THE CUE )<<<ED
 
Arrow is correct.I do a lot of reading on here and most of the people who have recieved a KVJB do like their cue,not all but most.The 2nd may have to do with a surface blemish the is out of the makers hands(poor grain spots ect)it may shoot fine but not look perfect or you can go with my first answer.If I were guessing a value from what I've seen it would be 100-200 depending on the condition maybe a little less if its a 2nd maybe a little more if it not
 
Arrow is correct.I do a lot of reading on here and most of the people who have recieved a KVJB do like their cue,not all but most.The 2nd may have to do with a surface blemish the is out of the makers hands(poor grain spots ect)it may shoot fine but not look perfect or you can go with my first answer.If I were guessing a value from what I've seen it would be 100-200 depending on the condition maybe a little less if its a 2nd maybe a little more if it not

you know, I just realized that there is a about a half inch blemish in the forearm. It looks kinda like a black sharpie attacked it. lol
Other than that, nothing i can see is wrong with it
 
DrOnePocket


you know, I just realized that there is a about a half inch blemish in the forearm. It looks kinda like a black sharpie attacked it. lol
Other than that, nothing i can see is wrong with it


A black sharpie...:grin: I dont care who you are, that funny s#it right there:grin-square::grin-square::grin-square:
 
Black sharpie

I don't know about the black sharpie thing, but I do know is that I have a matching pair of Varney cue's and they for sure don't show any BLACK SHARPIE MARKS , on them LOL:grin:, and I already been offered double what I have into them so I don't know where the $100 to $200 range comes in at .. But a cue is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it, but I will see here if I can post my set to show you,, LOOK NO SHARPIE !!!
 

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Ok guys, I just got a PM from someone telling me that KV doesn't want his name associated with these "2nd" cues and that is why they aren't signed. The original buyer has asked to not be named here because he wasn't suppose to tell that it was a Varney.

My bad
 
From reading his post I am under the impression its a house cue conversion?I think the last one I seen offered where he had made the butt and forearm was around 400.If its a house cue conversion they are less than a full custom which would put it at about 250 in good condition but if it is not in good condition a little less.If it is actually a 2nd the value would go down further.All this is just a guess on my part from what I see selling.If you found someone who wanted a conversion from him you may be able to get more.
 
unfortunately i think all three of your questions got answered via pm! sorry! hopefully ya got it dirt cheap
 
I came across a Kevin Varney J/B that basically looks like a nice house cue. I was told that it is a 2nd. Meaning it wasn't good enough to sell at retail price. The cue is dead straight, and performs very well so I don't get it. In fact it is better than most of the J/B's I have ever used.

Here is my questions.

1. What causes these cues to be called 2nd'?
2. Why would a cue maker let a cue out of his shop that didn't meet his standards?
3. What is a cue like this worth?

to answer #2. he might have sold/given it to a friend and told them not to sell it.
 
as long as your happy with it and what you paid for it .........thats all that matters, everything else is irrelevant
 
I came across a Kevin Varney J/B that basically looks like a nice house cue. I was told that it is a 2nd. Meaning it wasn't good enough to sell at retail price. The cue is dead straight, and performs very well so I don't get it. In fact it is better than most of the J/B's I have ever used.

Here is my questions.

1. What causes these cues to be called 2nd'?
2. Why would a cue maker let a cue out of his shop that didn't meet his standards?
3. What is a cue like this worth?

Its pretty simple really...occasionally I get a customer wanting the performance of my cues but doesn't have the money to spare. So to help someone out, I offer to make them a "blem" cue or blemish cue. These are cues that have 100% of the performance but have cosmetic blemishes. The blemishes can be uneven points, larger sugar/worm/mineral marks on the shaft or butt. Often you'll get some wood that will have some cosmetic flaws and I'm not comfortable using them on my premium cues. While the blems often don't bother some players, many feel the are an eyesore. I hate to waste any wood, especially when it will perform fine and I saw this as a good option to tossing it in the trash. I generally sell these for less than half what I charge for a new sneaky. I guess its time to end this practice as its not the first time its come back to haunt me. I don't tell my customer "not to sell it" since they own it & can do as they please. What I do ask is that they don't sell it as a new Varney & to represent the cue fairly as a "blem". I hate for someone to contact me that he just paid full retail for new/second hand Varney yet wants to know why it has a 2" long dark mineral streak on the shaft. Its happened before. I even used to mark them with "BLEM" so there was no doubt, yet I'd see them later with that sanded off & sold for full pop. Thank you for the good description of the cue, with your mention of the black streak on the forearm, I know exactly for whom I made that cue. I guess from now on instead of trying to help out someone low on funds...I'll just do like the other cuemakers and say no.
 
Its pretty simple really...occasionally I get a customer wanting the performance of my cues but doesn't have the money to spare. So to help someone out, I offer to make them a "blem" cue or blemish cue. These are cues that have 100% of the performance but have cosmetic blemishes. The blemishes can be uneven points, larger sugar/worm/mineral marks on the shaft or butt. Often you'll get some wood that will have some cosmetic flaws and I'm not comfortable using them on my premium cues. While the blems often don't bother some players, many feel the are an eyesore. I hate to waste any wood, especially when it will perform fine and I saw this as a good option to tossing it in the trash. I generally sell these for less than half what I charge for a new sneaky. I guess its time to end this practice as its not the first time its come back to haunt me. I don't tell my customer "not to sell it" since they own it & can do as they please. What I do ask is that they don't sell it as a new Varney & to represent the cue fairly as a "blem". I hate for someone to contact me that he just paid full retail for new/second hand Varney yet wants to know why it has a 2" long dark mineral streak on the shaft. Its happened before. I even used to mark them with "BLEM" so there was no doubt, yet I'd see them later with that sanded off & sold for full pop. Thank you for the good description of the cue, with your mention of the black streak on the forearm, I know exactly for whom I made that cue. I guess from now on instead of trying to help out someone low on funds...I'll just do like the other cuemakers and say no.

I sign my rejects George Babushka and sell them at the Swap Meet.
Often, some "pool shark's" eyes light up when they see that signature and they pull their cash fast. They think they're getting some vintage cue.
 
I sign my rejects George Babushka and sell them at the Swap Meet.
Often, some "pool shark's" eyes light up when they see that signature and they pull their cash fast. They think they're getting some vintage cue.

Sigh..... Many owners of Adam cue company "Buskas" think they have a real Balabushka also.
 
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