Need Shaft Collar

[tduncan]

Does anyone have this type collar ready made? I do want the white rings in it and not just maple. I do not want to have to ship the cue to have a shaft made, just wanted to switch collars out with another shaft.

Please PM price & if you need some additional measurements or pics. Thanks!

 

[KJ Cues]

The ring-work is basically cake.
I could probably do it while in a coma.
Your only problem is in the dash ring.
I'm not going to spend several hrs. building a billet
to part-off a $15 dash ring. They take time to build.
So here's my best advice.
Find who made the cue and chances are they have that ring.

There's a very pertinent dimension absent from your measurements
and that's the width of the Walnut(?) that's inlaid into the Maple.
Calipers tend to be a little more accurate than a tape measure.
I can certainly do the work but onesies aren't cheap.

 

[Jim Baxter]

The ring-work is basically cake.
I could probably do it while in a coma.
Your only problem is in the dash ring.
I'm not going to spend several hrs. building a billet
to part-off a $15 dash ring. They take time to build.
So here's my best advice.
Find who made the cue and chances are they have that ring.

There's a very pertinent dimension absent from your measurements
and that's the width of the Walnut(?) that's inlaid into the Maple.
Calipers tend to be a little more accurate than a tape measure.
I can certainly do the work but onesies aren't cheap.

KJ is spot on , most do not have a idea whats involve and how acurate measurements are important . Just cant do it with pictures . Jim

 

[scdiveteam]

Hi,

I think you can do it with pics but it would only be close as KJ and Jim point out. What about the shaft taper? Do you want a cue with 2 different tapers? I think not.

To get a good job done, you will have to give it up and ship it or you will suffer the consequences of disappointment later. I don't know what your cue is worth but having and shaft made to match rings might not be as cheap as you think.

You will need to send someone the butt also because the ring billet slots will not line up when you put the cue together unless you have the butt to adjust the facing for a accurate match up.

I guess you can call it "art" if the rings don't line up. :nono:

Rick

 

[Jim Baxter]

Hi,

I think you can do it with pics but it would only be close as KJ and Jim point out. What about the shaft taper? Do you want a cue with 2 different tapers? I think not.

To get a good job done, you will have to give it up and ship it or you will suffer the consequences of disappointment later. I don't know what your cue is worth but having and shaft made to match rings might not be as cheap as you think.

You will need to send someone the butt also because the ring billet slots will not line up when you put the cue together unless you have the butt to adjust the facing for a accurate match up.

Rick

In our j/p department , we match lots of different joint rings , but with out very accurate measurments from the buyer , they look like crap , and like Rick says to get the slots to line up , we need the cue or a lot of Luck . Then we try to match the color of the wood , and if we are a little to light or dark , we eat some . Pictures do not always give the right shade of color . To do a stich ring for j/ps our price starts at $80. bucks . And that a bargin . Jim

 

[jkmarshall_cues]

That looks like an old JOSS with a 3/8-10 joint. It might be more cost effective to buy another used JOSS shaft if someone has one they don't want/need any more.

John

 

[olsonsview]

Switch collars out with another shaft???

I read the last few words of your post and think you may be under the wrong impression, or maybe I am reading it wrong? No one else questioned it.
One cannot switch out collars as a DIY thing. The old collar must be cut off the shaft by a repair tech using a lathe. The new rings must be glued on from the inner one out, to match the design you choose. The tech can maybe cut off everything up to the inner black ring that looks to be 1/8 inch thick, then add a white 1/16 inch ring, black 1/16, etc to remake the collar. You have to cut off the white to ensure that both white rings are a dead match! If they were two shades of white it would look ugly. ANd maybe since you do not want maple used in the stitch ring, the whites should match the slotted ring white as well? And the "Walnut", Rosewood, whatever it is, has to be matched too, a picture is not sufficient to match it. It could be any darker wood from that pic. The shaft has to be sent to the cue tech, you cannot do this yourself without a cue lathe, and refinishing equipment to shoot a new clear coat on the shaft. The price of the bare ring alone at $15, making just one, is cheap! Then the labor to install it, the other rings and black phenolic collar (last ring), all must be added to the price, $80 is not unreasonable.
Just my two cents.

 

[scdiveteam]

I read the last few words of your post and think you may be under the wrong impression, or maybe I am reading it wrong? No one else questioned it.
One cannot switch out collars as a DIY thing. The old collar must be cut off the shaft by a repair tech using a lathe. The new rings must be glued on from the inner one out, to match the design you choose. The tech can maybe cut off everything up to the inner black ring that looks to be 1/8 inch thick, then add a white 1/16 inch ring, black 1/16, etc to remake the collar. You have to cut off the white to ensure that both white rings are a dead match! If they were two shades of white it would look ugly. ANd maybe since you do not want maple used in the stitch ring, the whites should match the slotted ring white as well? And the "Walnut", Rosewood, whatever it is, has to be matched too, a picture is not sufficient to match it. It could be any darker wood from that pic. The shaft has to be sent to the cue tech, you cannot do this yourself without a cue lathe, and refinishing equipment to shoot a new clear coat on the shaft. The price of the bare ring alone at $15, making just one, is cheap! Then the labor to install it, the other rings and black phenolic collar (last ring), all must be added to the price, $80 is not unreasonable.
Just my two cents.

Hi,

He doubtless has a CM standing by who can do the work and is just looking to get lucky find one of these. The odds are he is not going to get lucky OMO.

I think Jim was offering to make the ring cut off to size for the price mentioned and thats after he makes the billet, glues and presses the wood veneer, turns, drills, faces, then cuts them to a precise size just to sell one ring. That is very reasonable for the time it will take.

When you buy a cue and get the ring geometry that cue maker does, the cost point is lower than having to do a billet to make one or two rings because of the economies of scale. If I make 30 rings of one of my styles, it is factored into the price of the cues they go on and every thing except the cut off time is an aggregate cost.

Making one ring may not seem to the average guy to be costly but it is and should be. As was said about color matching, you can do a perfect job and the wood might match very well during construction but when it is sealed sanded and finished it could be way off and the customer may not like it.

I do a lot of cue repair work but I would not take on a job like this from a stranger. Unless it is a friend or established customer that wants me to do it and understands the whole picture as far as matching hues of the wood after it is clear coated. It's like a dentist who crowns your tooth, it never quite matches perfectly. :yikes:

Rick

 

[KJ Cues]

I wanted to check my inventory of billets before I posted again in this thread.
I knew that I didn't have one inlaid with Walnut but thought I might have something close.
The billet you see in the pic is one that I built to duplicate the ring-work on a
Leon Sly cue I believe. I mated a Predator shaft for one of my clients.



It's inlaid with Amboyna Burl on Maple. I can darken the Amboyna slightly but it will
still have the Red/Orange tint to it. That's not a good match to your ring which I think
is Walnut. It may not be Walnut due to camera/pic/color variations.
Here's what I see in your pic.
The top blk ring is .125"
The dash ring is .125"
The bottom blk ring is .125"+ because you'll face it to the shaft after installation.
The four blk & white rings are .030+ ea. giving you a total ring-stack of .500".

I got your PM but thought this post would answer a few of your questions.
Oh, last but not least, the width of the Walnut(?) is also .125".
Am I close?

 

[tduncan]

I wanted to check my inventory of billets before I posted again in this thread.
I knew that I didn't have one inlaid with Walnut but thought I might have something close.
The billet you see in the pic is one that I built to duplicate the ring-work on a
Leon Sly cue I believe. I mated a Predator shaft for one of my clients.
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It's inlaid with Amboyna Burl on Maple. I can darken the Amboyna slightly but it will
still have the Red/Orange tint to it. That's not a good match to your ring which I think
is Walnut. It may not be Walnut due to camera/pic/color variations.
Here's what I see in your pic.
The top blk ring is .125"
The dash ring is .125"
The bottom blk ring is .125"+ because you'll face it to the shaft after installation.
The four blk & white rings are .030+ ea. giving you a total ring-stack of .500".

I got your PM but thought this post would answer a few of your questions.
Oh, last but not least, the width of the Walnut(?) is also .125".
Am I close?

You have a very good eye there!:thumbup: