Neglected/Poorly Run Pool Rooms

Snap9

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To start off I shall not list any room's name in this thread.

Being an avid pool player for 20+ years it seems that pool room owners(as a general consensus) today are caring less about pool. Poor room service(waitstaff-pro shop-bartenders), shoddy equiptment and neglected playing conditions are some of the complaints I have.

I know the whole concept of business practices(holding a business degree), but at which point does a bar become a pool room and a pool room become somthing else. To me the concept of a pool room is a general meeting place to play pool while enjoying beverages, food and mild leveled music.

Within the past few weeks I have traveled to a few pool rooms to play in larger scaled tournaments. I do this throughout the year enjoying matches with top tier players. Taking the wins and losses as lessons in the constant betterment of my pool game.

Both of the traveled to tournaments were in the area of 50+ players with many spectators. What a great opportunity for a pool room to make money.

Well, the first tournament had tables with well worn cloth on a great table manufacturer equiptment. Not the worst playing conditions, but the worst food and drink service. Now I know you think I am being picky, but seriously I am not. If a room sets itself up as a waitstaff style establishment you expect them to have servers on hand. Point in case: Main event started on a Saturday afternoon with appoximately 200 to 250 people in the building 1 server. Sunday afternoon tournament resumes approximately 75 people in the room no server and no bartender.

Second tournament large room and a large field. You go to the bar order food and they call your number. No problem there that is how they set up their establishment. Problem is equiptment. Cloth is close to 8 months past its much deserved changing time. Most table cloths should be changed on an average of every 6 months(being the industry standard). Now besides the cloth being worn out it was sooooooo loose you could bridge your hand on the table and push your bridge hand forward 4 to 6 inches without it leaving the cloth. Pull the cloth up appoximately 2 inches. These conditions are not what I or many other players consider to be acceptable for paying $50+ entry plus expenses for travel.

My home pool room must be the exception to these conditions. They re-cloth every 6 months or less, have a great staff and great equiptment. They take pride in their establishment, and have some of the best comments from roving tournament directors, roadies and local patrons.

I guess in a nutshell I am venting. I fealt disrespected as a pool player and as a customer from these two venues listed above.
 
Snap9 said:
To start off I shall not list any room's name in this thread.

Being an avid pool player for 20+ years it seems that pool room owners(as a general consensus) today are caring less about pool. Poor room service(waitstaff-pro shop-bartenders), shoddy equiptment and neglected playing conditions are some of the complaints I have.

I know the whole concept of business practices(holding a business degree), but at which point does a bar become a pool room and a pool room become somthing else. To me the concept of a pool room is a general meeting place to play pool while enjoying beverages, food and mild leveled music.

Within the past few weeks I have traveled to a few pool rooms to play in larger scaled tournaments. I do this throughout the year enjoying matches with top tier players. Taking the wins and losses as lessons in the constant betterment of my pool game.

Both of the traveled to tournaments were in the area of 50+ players with many spectators. What a great opportunity for a pool room to make money.

Well, the first tournament had tables with well worn cloth on a great table manufacturer equiptment. Not the worst playing conditions, but the worst food and drink service. Now I know you think I am being picky, but seriously I am not. If a room sets itself up as a waitstaff style establishment you expect them to have servers on hand. Point in case: Main event started on a Saturday afternoon with appoximately 200 to 250 people in the building 1 server. Sunday afternoon tournament resumes approximately 75 people in the room no server and no bartender.

Second tournament large room and a large field. You go to the bar order food and they call your number. No problem there that is how they set up their establishment. Problem is equiptment. Cloth is close to 8 months past its much deserved changing time. Most table cloths should be changed on an average of every 6 months(being the industry standard). Now besides the cloth being worn out it was sooooooo loose you could bridge your hand on the table and push your bridge hand forward 4 to 6 inches without it leaving the cloth. Pull the cloth up appoximately 2 inches. These conditions are not what I or many other players consider to be acceptable for paying $50+ entry plus expenses for travel.

My home pool room must be the exception to these conditions. They re-cloth every 6 months or less, have a great staff and great equiptment. They take pride in their establishment, and have some of the best comments from roving tournament directors, roadies and local patrons.

I guess in a nutshell I am venting. I fealt disrespected as a pool player and as a customer from these two venues listed above.

There are so many factors you have to think about, that room owners face. The biggest one is that it is very hard to cater to serious players and run a successful poolroom. Frankly, I believe its just not possible in every market. My dad owned a pool hall in Hesperia, California for 5 years. Being a professional skill level player himself he really wanted to cater to the serious pool players. The problem is that the serious players didn't want to support the business that much, they wanted to spend as little money as possible in the place. They loved the room, but when it came down to it, it was the Friday and Saturday night crowd that was keeping the place going. That same Friday and Saturday night crowd is the same crowd that doesn't really respect the equipment like the serious players do.

I think owning a poolroom is a real tough business to be in. My dad, grandpa, and uncle all owned rooms at least at one time in their lives, I always thought I would eventually open a place of my own. I don't know if I ever will, it seems like a constant uphill battle anymore. So I guess what I am trying to say is that you really can't blame the room owners for catering more to the serious players.

Count your blessings that your home room is such a nice facility. Most people don't have the benefit of such a nice room that close to them.
 
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reality

I doubt that we would have a tenth of the pool rooms we have to play in without the bangers and league players paying the bills. Another issue is that the room owners have to meet fixed expenses first. The table the cloth was trashed on three weeks after it was recovered has to wait awhile while the rent or mortgage, insurance, taxes, and hired help are paid.

Not keeping up the equipment can create a vicious cycle where the less well kept up the tables and cues are the fewer players come in but in truth the halls with a liquor license can make more money doing other things with the space. Even without a license half a dozen video games can replace one table. Sadly I see the tables disappearing one by one in some places as the space is eaten up by things that make more money per square foot.

Few pool halls can charge enough per hour to come close to paying the bills catering only to the "serious" pool players. Those serious pool players, as has already been noted, are usually the tightest customers with a dollar.

Hu
 
i've run into nothing but pool rooms like the ones yo mentioned all over nor cal. the exception being hard times. seems like a good room is hard to find
 
As a room owner myself.

I have been in business for 14 yrs now and believe me its very hard to stay in business and keep everybody happy. I try my best to keep the equipment as nice as possible, being a player myself, I want it as nice as possible.
I think the rooms that have full menu`s and booze don`t bother as much with upkeep of the tables because their money mostly comes from food and drinks. I.M.H.O. They seem to be bars with pool tables. But that is still no excuse anyhow.

Being able to replace the cloth every 6 months would be a luxury here.
I only have 8 crowns and no booze or food, Just drinks and snacks.
I try to replace the cloth every year but summers being as slow as they are and poker and the internet as competition it is hard to afford.

Ok Im done
highrun55
 
Try these rooms

poolplayer2093 said:
i've run into nothing but pool rooms like the ones yo mentioned all over nor cal. the exception being hard times. seems like a good room is hard to find
California Billiard Club in Mountainview is also a good room, nice equipment and plenty of space between tables. Family Billiards in San Francisco has great equipment a little crowded, but can you blame him, the rent must be insane in that place.
 
highrun55 said:
I have been in business for 14 yrs now and believe me its very hard to stay in business and keep everybody happy. I try my best to keep the equipment as nice as possible, being a player myself, I want it as nice as possible.
I think the rooms that have full menu`s and booze don`t bother as much with upkeep of the tables because their money mostly comes from food and drinks. I.M.H.O. They seem to be bars with pool tables. But that is still no excuse anyhow.

Being able to replace the cloth every 6 months would be a luxury here.
I only have 8 crowns and no booze or food, Just drinks and snacks.
I try to replace the cloth every year but summers being as slow as they are and poker and the internet as competition it is hard to afford.

Ok Im done
highrun55
14 years! You're doing something right. Thats quite an accomplishment.
 
My grandfather owned a room in Stockton, Ca. for about 8 years. My dad sold his after 5 years, and my uncle owned his in Fallon, Nv. for about 15 years.
 
thebigdog said:
14 years! You're doing something right. Thats quite an accomplishment.


Thank God for the regulars with bad backs, the guys playing the system, the bar league guys that practice here before league, and the bangers.

I have no gamblers per say, these guys wont bet $5.00 there white, unless they know they can win.
 
I know what you mean about that one HighRun :), the room I play at, they like to play for small change, (?20/$40 a set) but they usually play 1 set, and that sucks, plus it's usuallyone of the guys that works in the room, and so they get their table time for free, which I disagree with, as the way I see it is, if they can afford to gamble, then they can afford to rent a table.

I don't know if it's still the same tradition now, but it used to be that if a couple of guys were going to be playing for some green, e.g. $500 a set, then usually they would put something like $100 behind the bar for table rent, that way they could play for as long as it takes, till the $100 ran out, but also, it is good buisness for the room because the room is most likely to be making decent money, and so, the room would be getting rewarded so to speak, for letting the guys play.

There are many rooms over here in the UK, that are only interested in making their money from the B&B's, (Bangers & Boozers) which is of course a major turn off for players who are interested in competeing and practicing in a high end room, and so, it's pretty much a double edge sword, where on 1 hand, you can not worry so much about the B&B's coming in on Fri & Sat nights, but at the same time, the good players, who are looking for a place with good equipment to practice with, are turned off by worn away by poorly kept equipment, and so, it's a kinda no-win situation for most room ownrs, and so, for those that are able to stay in buisness for more than 2/3 years, are doing really well :)

It sounds like you gotta great room to play at, Snap60, and I would recommend mentioning to the room owners about holding weekly tourneys, (If they don't already) and play in those, untill some bigger tournaments come up, or find out about the possibility of bigger, monthly tournaments and/or Tour Events also :)

Willie
 
The thing that's really got to me in the last couple of years, is someone opening a "pool room" whose only experience with pool has been a couple of years of league (apa) play. The guy knows nothing about pool, the players, the games, and worst of all, the equipment. Crummy place, lousy lighting, high prices, etc. And too arrogant to learn from his mistakes. The players, including me, and I'm not afraid to spend money, when I have it, avoid the place like the plague. To play anywhere decent, I'm forced to drive 25-30 miles. I just knock 'em around at home, these days. What a dissapointment!
 
highrun55 said:
I have been in business for 14 yrs now and believe me its very hard to stay in business and keep everybody happy. I try my best to keep the equipment as nice as possible, being a player myself, I want it as nice as possible.
I think the rooms that have full menu`s and booze don`t bother as much with upkeep of the tables because their money mostly comes from food and drinks. I.M.H.O. They seem to be bars with pool tables. But that is still no excuse anyhow.
Being able to replace the cloth every 6 months would be a luxury here.
I only have 8 crowns and no booze or food, Just drinks and snacks.
I try to replace the cloth every year but summers being as slow as they are and poker and the internet as competition it is hard to afford.

Ok Im done
highrun55

Your no excuse quote nearly knocked me out of my seat. Its not hard to see why you are still in biz after 14 years. If I am ever in your neck of the woods I will come by and give you a little business.

One day I will own a room. I will learn alot about running a pool room and have to make changes in my thoughts BUT upkeep costs and scheduling will never sneak up on me.
Some owners act like they never saw it coming. Always amazes me.
 
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