Negotiating With English

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DrCue'sProtege

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lets stick to analysing this shot, ok? i believe i have been insulted enough with the other thread about age.

if you are facing this shot, how do you play it? if you try and use just a little bit of low on the cue ball you will more than likely run into the '8' Ball. so it seems logical you have to place about a tip of right english on this shot to pocket the '3', avoid the '8', and come around for the '4' Ball.

my question is: am i missing something here? is there another way to play this shot? seems like i run into this type of shot all the time, and have a hard time when i have to use 3:00 or 9:00 english.

DCP

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DrCue'sProtege said:
lets stick to analysing this shot, ok? i believe i have been insulted enough with the other thread about age.
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You just keep asking for it, don't you? One definition of insanity is repeatedly doing the same thing and expecting different results. :rolleyes:
 
Ya know, in this shot I would be tempted to use bottom LOL...just a little bottom right and draw it past the side pocket line and you are good to go.

*shrug*

Gotta know when to use the juice and when not to...I don't like going forward into the 8.
 
Play that 3 with very soft touch (just enough to pocket it) with left english. Then you'll have your position to 4 near corner pocket/end rail and just make that long pot to corner and let to cue ball roll for position to 5.
 
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The 8 seems like a big pain to deal with if you go forward on this shot. If you've got the confidence in your stroke, I think this is less error prone:

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A lot of low right and a smooth, firm stroke should get you in good position for the 4. Even if you overhit it by a lot it's unlikely that you'll run into trouble as long as you hit low enough.

-Andrew
 
Dhakala said:
Don't worry about the 4 or the 8. Just put some hard draw on the shot and kick the 9 into the side.
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Looks like a good chance to scratch if you cut the 3 in: w/ draw, off the 9, with hi, off the 8 or straight in.

Aside from stop leaving yurself that angle;) , you could cut the 3 in the pocket by the 8. Not too bad a shot, but me, I'd shoot it in the bottom and try to hit the 4 side of the 8, accepting a bank or safe from there.

OK- I am lying, I would close one eye and wing it. Whatchoo knowabow dat?
 
with the angle of the cueball, drawing it to the long rail would take a monster stroke, and even if you did, I think the best you could do was spin back out to where the 9 is.

I bank the 3 near the 6/7 and use the 4/5 as blockers.

Ian
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do you guys realize the Draw shot is similar, yet more difficult (worse angle), to shooting a spot shot, drawing to side rail and back across above the side pocket?

Who can realistically shoot that spot shot?

Ian
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xianmacx said:
do you guys realize the Draw shot is similar, yet more difficult (worse angle), to shooting a spot shot, drawing to side rail and back across above the side pocket?

Who can realistically shoot that spot shot?

Ian
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Efren and


NOT ME.
 
I like Andrew's idea too. I think it depends on how fast the table is but you might have use a bit of a "pinch" draw (not sure of the terminology). Lots of draw with not as much speed. If you hit it too hard it will travel too far along the tangent line before it bends back. It's hard to tell the angles on my monitor but that would probably be my first try on this shot.
 
Rubyron said:
I like Andrew's idea too. I think it depends on how fast the table is but you might have use a bit of a "pinch" draw (not sure of the terminology). Lots of draw with not as much speed. If you hit it too hard it will travel too far along the tangent line before it bends back. It's hard to tell the angles on my monitor but that would probably be my first try on this shot.
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you are correct the "pinch" draw would allow you to bend the tangent to the long rail, but thats it. The cueball would have so little spin/speed when it got to the rail it would have no chance of getting back to the middle of the table.
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It's tough to tell from the daigram, but if i could just miss the 8 with a little right, then i would put the cue ball by the side pocket on the same plane as the 6 ball. If i could not steer clear of the eight, then i'm with Get_a_Grip, and playing safe.
 
xianmacx said:
do you guys realize the Draw shot is similar, yet more difficult (worse angle), to shooting a spot shot, drawing to side rail and back across above the side pocket?
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I don't think they did.

Looks like DCP has the right idea. But one tip of side english is sort of meaningless. Imagine a baseball pitcher throwing a side arm curve ball. His fingers may start out anywhere on the ball but they will release the ball from the side edge. Using a little english makes it harder to get to the side release point with a soft stroke. It's easier to shoot through it at a slow speed and get consistent deflection with more spin by hitting wider. Using less means you have to hit it harder or else bunt the stroke and play the knuckle curve.

You still may not miss the 8, though.

unknownpro
 
Dhakala said:
You just keep asking for it, don't you? One definition of insanity is repeatedly doing the same thing and expecting different results. :rolleyes:
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Stupid is as stupid does, my momma always said.


Eric >PLAY SAFE
 
Actually...

Black-Balled said:
Efren and


NOT ME.
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If my memory serves me right, Efren played a similar shot with low right and came between the obstructing ball and the top corner pocket to get position. My memory isn't good enough to remember which event he was playing in for that shot. :D But they questioned whether or not that was the smartest play since he had to hit it perfect... which he obviously did.
 
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