New cue design

[zeeder]

I've been in talks with a Cuemaker for a while about commissioning a cue and have been playing with different ideas. I started off with a spin on a previous design I came up with but after looking at lots of cues recently inspiration struck. I had a sleepless night earlier in the week and after about three days of working on it I think it's mostly complete. I'm calling the design Icy Diamond:







Scalloped:

 

[skins]

I like the forearm. I think the sleeve needs more work in it or a spread of the design to balance out the butt.

 

[Rubikong]

Love it just the way it is. Once it's in 3 dimensions the forearm design will balance nicely with the butt. Because graphically it will change in perspective


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[deanoc]

i really like the blue colors you chose
it is and outstanding cue design

 

[skins]

Love it just the way it is. Once it's in 3 dimensions the forearm design will balance nicely with the butt. Because graphically it will change in perspective


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I dont think so. Perspective has nothing to do with it. Traditionally, and esthetically imho, the back end of the cue should have similar or more work than the forearm. They just look much better that way...

 

[qbilder]

That forearm will not be easy to pull off. Doing so will be a testament to the maker's skill. I also tend to agree with Ribikong AND Skins. I believe due to the points overlapping to give so many dimensions, the diamond inlays would pull the design together if they were simply upscaled enough to overlap. No need to change the pattern, just bulge it so the large diamond overlap the sides of the small, so to add dimension. JMO

 

[skins]

That forearm will not be easy to pull off. Doing so will be a testament to the maker's skill. I also tend to agree with Ribikong AND Skins. I believe due to the points overlapping to give so many dimensions, the diamond inlays would pull the design together if they were simply upscaled enough to overlap. No need to change the pattern, just bulge it so the large diamond overlap the sides of the small, so to add dimension. JMO

If the technique used in the prongs was used in the diamonds as well stretching out the design well now THAT would be a sight to behold...:smile:

 

[zeeder]

If the technique used in the prongs was used in the diamonds as well stretching out the design well now THAT would be a sight to behold...:smile:

Like this or something else?





Or this:

 

[LGSM3]

That forearm will not be easy to pull off. Doing so will be a testament to the maker's skill. I also tend to agree with Ribikong AND Skins. I believe due to the points overlapping to give so many dimensions, the diamond inlays would pull the design together if they were simply upscaled enough to overlap. No need to change the pattern, just bulge it so the large diamond overlap the sides of the small, so to add dimension. JMO

I was thinking the same thing as far as difficulty. The forearm points will be tricky but not un-doable. The major, major detail would be the silver diamond inlays that would almost certainly have to be put in last. If there not executed to great precision then it will kill everything. I would probably try to keep the silver diamonds slim as they are drawn so that there subtle yet elegant. I've seen people try to cut them in larger and it just looks like someone was trying to cover up mistake.

Zeeder, its awesome to see you be creative. I'd love to see what you come up with when drawing inspiration from something other than cue designs. Thats not a cheap shot, rather a challenge for you to push yourself. You may also keep in mind that the sequence in which you draw and the precision "such as outside corners" are not always going to materialize in an actual cue due to tooling restrictions.

 

[qbilder]

I was thinking the same thing as far as difficulty. The forearm points will be tricky but not un-doable.

The biggest hurdle I see it the scale of the veneers. In reality, very thin veneers will be required to execute the design as drawn. Like you say, possible but tricky.

The major, major detail would be the silver diamond inlays that would almost certainly have to be put in last. If there not executed to great precision then it will kill everything. I would probably try to keep the silver diamonds slim as they are drawn so that there subtle yet elegant. I've seen people try to cut them in larger and it just looks like someone was trying to cover up mistake.

I agree with the thin silver. I would, however, scallop the diamond shape or scale it up in some way so the large can overlap the small. Separated as they are leaves it one dimension while overlapping will give a forward:background dimensional contrast that is shown in the forearm. Overall I think it's a stunning design and creative. Should be challenging for the maker & satisfying for the buyer.

 

[zeeder]

I was thinking the same thing as far as difficulty. The forearm points will be tricky but not un-doable. The major, major detail would be the silver diamond inlays that would almost certainly have to be put in last. If there not executed to great precision then it will kill everything. I would probably try to keep the silver diamonds slim as they are drawn so that there subtle yet elegant. I've seen people try to cut them in larger and it just looks like someone was trying to cover up mistake.

The silver in the points is definitely meant to be slim and elegant. I had envisioned pealing back the veneers to reveal the silver sliver. I'll definitely talk with the Cuemaker to get an idea of what he thinks he's capable of and what effect can be achieved realistically.

Zeeder, its awesome to see you be creative. I'd love to see what you come up with when drawing inspiration from something other than cue designs. Thats not a cheap shot, rather a challenge for you to push yourself. You may also keep in mind that the sequence in which you draw and the precision "such as outside corners" are not always going to materialize in an actual cue due to tooling restrictions.

My design theme thus far has definitely been tweaking classic design elements to come up with something unique but still very classic. I'll be coming up on Hercek's list and I definitely want to come up with something special for that one so I will definitely take your suggestion and look outside of typical cue designs for inspiration!

 

[zeeder]

That forearm will not be easy to pull off. Doing so will be a testament to the maker's skill. I also tend to agree with Ribikong AND Skins. I believe due to the points overlapping to give so many dimensions, the diamond inlays would pull the design together if they were simply upscaled enough to overlap. No need to change the pattern, just bulge it so the large diamond overlap the sides of the small, so to add dimension. JMO

When I upscaled the diamonds, I couldn't get them large enough to overlap without making them wider or extending the length of the sleeve. I don't really like the idea of making them too large or too wide as then the silver will be a bit too chunky.

 

[zeeder]

The biggest hurdle I see it the scale of the veneers. In reality, very thin veneers will be required to execute the design as drawn. Like you say, possible but tricky.



I agree with the thin silver. I would, however, scallop the diamond shape or scale it up in some way so the large can overlap the small. Separated as they are leaves it one dimension while overlapping will give a forward:background dimensional contrast that is shown in the forearm. Overall I think it's a stunning design and creative. Should be challenging for the maker & satisfying for the buyer.

I agree with the scalloped diamonds would be interesting. My first thought was actually similar to the design with the connected veneers but wasn't sure how much the veneers could be bent to accommodate the design and so I gave up on it for the simpler straight diamond. Not to mention that I tried to simplify it with just a four-point design with only four diamonds in the butt sleeve but couldn't stop there and had to turn it into an eight-point design, which I've been wanting to do for a while. Adding in concavity to the inlays will definitely test my photoshop skills as they are pretty basic!

Edit: turns out the scallop effect was easier than I thought it would be:

 

[skins]

If you widen the main diamonds, like Eric is suggesting, you may be able to bring that technique into the sleeve too...

What do ya think Eric, Jake?

 

[LGSM3]

If you widen the main diamonds, like Eric is suggesting, you may be able to bring that technique into the sleeve too...

What do ya think Eric, Jake?

I think i get what Eric is saying now "scalloped"

if you make the diamond stylized with concave angles while widening the diamond it will feather the veneer out and create a cool effect. i'll draw something real quick.

certainly not a best attempt but maybe something good will come of it.

 

[skins]

I think i get what Eric is saying now "scalloped"

if you make the diamond stylized with concave angles while widening the diamond it will feather the veneer out and create a cool effect. i'll draw something real quick.

certainly not a best attempt but maybe something good will come of it.

I thought he meant make the whole diamond bigger so it's outside corners overlap the outside corners of the small diamond...

Another idea also would be to take the design from the front and reverse it in the sleeve to tie that cool reverse point design in with the back...

 

[Shooter08]

Does anyone else recall seeing a cue with a similar forearm and veneer colors not that long ago, I think it may have been a Tonkin? In the last year if I recall.

 

[Rubikong]

I really enjoy this thread! Been very positive


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[Rubikong]

I really enjoy this thread! Been very positive


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What kind program u use Zeeder?


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[zeeder]

Does anyone else recall seeing a cue with a similar forearm and veneer colors not that long ago, I think it may have been a Tonkin? In the last year if I recall.

Here's a Tonkin with similar coloring but I've never seen anything like my point design. That said, it is definitely inspired by Pete's merged veneers.