New Elevation Tour - N.A.C.P.B.A. ???

[GG11]

Tommy Kennedy
David Sapolis
Steve Lillis
Mike Massey
George and Jeanette (Lee) Breedlove
Robin Dodson
Belinda Calhoun
... I bet if I paid Scotty Townsend a few bucks he wouldn't drink at an event, but he'd probably get plastered afterwards... With him, the cussing is another story, though. lol


The drug testing is a requirement for the IOC (International Olympic Committee) as it is part of the their anti-doping policy.

Don't forget Tony Robles!!

 

[Bob Jewett]

You beat me to it. I take metoprolol and do know that since beta blockers lower heart rate and reduce tremor, they have been used by some Olympic marksmen to enhance performance, though beta blockers are banned by the International Olympic Committee.

There was a semi-scandal several years ago related to snooker players taking beta blockers. I'm not sure what the resolution of it was or what the regulations say. I assume that if it's forbidden for shooters, it would be forbidden for shooters.

 

[Jack Flanagan]

There was a semi-scandal several years ago related to snooker players taking beta blockers. I'm not sure what the resolution of it was or what the regulations say. I assume that if it's forbidden for shooters, it would be forbidden for shooters.

guess that would leave me out, too. I've taken Accupril and/or Avapro since 1992. unless the pharmacies are lying to me, they both contain beta blockers.

 

[smashmouth]

Did Michael Vick, Pacman Jones, Chris Henry, Mike Tyson, Pete Rose, that ref in the NBA, Rae Carruth, Cecil Collins, Tank Johnson, Jamal Lewis, Dexter Manley, Bam Morris, Mercury Morris, Nate Newton, Art Schlichter, Dwight Gooden, Darryl Strawberry, Ugueth Urbina, Isaiah Rider, Mike Danton, Craig Mactavish, Trevor Berbick, Hurrican Carter and Tonya Harding all TOW THE LINE???? And the line they were towing was a lot more profitable than pool.

you missed the point

 

[Fragged]

you missed the point

I missed it too then. Did you not state imply that the players would "tow the line" if the money was good like it was and they did for the IPT? The poster pointed out that money has not made players tow the line in any other sport. Addiction transcends money-it alway has. I've seen no evidence that the line was towed in the IPT. What do you have that supports your statement? There was no drug testing and I know of more than one instance of players gambling while the tournament was going on. I dont think there is a shred of evidence that any line was towed though the IPT did succeed in having players adhere to a dress code -barely. Many looked pretty sad in ill fitting 20 year old suits but they wore them because a dres code violation cant be hidden. Many looked peachy too I will admit.

 

[worriedbeef]

There was a semi-scandal several years ago related to snooker players taking beta blockers. I'm not sure what the resolution of it was or what the regulations say. I assume that if it's forbidden for shooters, it would be forbidden for shooters.

the late Bill Werbeniuk was the most high profile case i think. well the only case i know of.

good article here about him. a real character!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/01/23/db2301.xml

oh and btw see the following video for his greatest shot. an exhibition favourite which would have mike massey pulling his hair out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlKn9fDI_eo

 

[SloRoller]

I saw this for membership requirements:

"Members will be required to make three public appearances at a non tournament NACPBA sponsored event."

What does this mean?
The NACPBA is sponsoring events that are not pool tournaments?

I agree with a previous post they should start out small, get established then shoot for the large purses.

WRT the website not written properly, its probably because the people are business oriented and not technical (of course a spell checker doesnt cost anything)

Hopefully they can pull something off.
Post IPT a lot of people will wait and see.

SR

 

[Jaden]

I saw this for membership requirements:


WRT the website not written properly, its probably because the people are business oriented and not technical (of course a spell checker doesnt cost anything)



SR

Most of the words that are mispelled, (I only personally saw two, although I didn't go through the whole site), were mot mispelled per se but instead were used incorrectly, i.e. using their instead of there or vice verse. Spell checkers will not pick this up and even I do this on occasion although I berate myself for it when I do and upon rechecking which probably should've been done, I would find these errors ninety nie percent of the time.

 

[smashmouth]

the evidence was the behaviour of the players at the IPT events and their adherence to the rules

showing up on time, taking direction, etc...they were not the the same guys
we were used to seeing

there will always be those who slip through the cracks but 22 million is more incentive than even the IPT offered

in any case, cart is definetly in front of the horse discussing this issue

I would be more than thrilled if every thing I ever said in life was proven wrong in exchange for a 22 million dollar pool tour

 

[Bob Jewett]

... Of course, this caught my eye:

1st place:$200,000
2nd place: $100,000
3rd place: $75,000
4th place: $50,000
5th-9th place; $25,000 each
10th-16th place: $15,000 each
17th-32nd place:$7,500 each
33rd-64th place: $5,850 each
...

It caught my eye but for a different reason. The numbers obviously don't add up. First, the $25k group should be 5th-8th, not 5th-9th. Either way, the total is not $1M. I think it is $952.2k. Perhaps a minor nit.

The minimum commitment to play the first year is about $15,000. That is what the player has to budget for membership, entry fees, travel and lodging for eight events and 80 hours of his time for charity at $25/hour. To play in all 20 events is going to cost a player a total of about $40,000.

On the other hand, if you do play in every event and manage to win just one match in half of those events, your payout will be about $60,000.

I notice that the proposed schedule leaves no time for the Mosconi Cup or the Derby City Classic, for example. I wonder whether they intend to forbid play in tournaments that have date conflicts. If so, then I assume that we can expect those tournaments to go away.

Also a minor nit, but it seems that like the IPT, this new group intends to make up their own rules of the games as they go along, and ignore the World Standardized Rules.

In all, I think that they should have said nothing until they had far more details worked out. To come out as they have makes them look like they are ignorant and disorganized. If there really is $66 million behind this, then either the angels have so much money that they don't care how it is wasted, or they have found the wrong management team.

 

[Fragged]

In all, I think that they should have said nothing until they had far more details worked out. To come out as they have makes them look like they are ignorant and disorganized. If there really is $66 million behind this, then either the angels have so much money that they don't care how it is wasted, or they have found the wrong management team.

That's no management team.

I really don't think that anyone who has 66 milion doesn't care how it is wasted. You just dont accumulate that much without caring. You can SAY you dont care just like KT did but when he saw the numbers and they were not flowing to the botom line he started caring a lot!! Same thing will happen here.

I see that their plan involves a huge emphasis on managing the live gate, moving floors and bringing the VIP seats in closer as the tournament winds down and other efficiencies with the fans which they sem to be all excited about. This tells me they are clueless.

Those sort of ideas are worthless. There are not enough fans for live pool to in any fashion recoup even a fraction of the purse not to mention the other costs which will exceed the prize fund.


.. Im beginning to think this whole thing might be a practical joke. That makes more sense than anything else im seeing by far.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... There are not enough fans for live pool to in any fashion recoup even a fraction of the purse not to mention the other costs which will exceed the prize fund. ...

I attended all three of the IPT tournaments. They were splendid events to witness. I did what I could to promote attendance at the Reno tournament. I think the peak was for the finals and I counted no more than 500 in the audience.

 

[smashmouth]

there is "THE" one way to earn back that type of investment, the multi billion dollar method that drives the NFL, what Kevin Trudeau wanted, and the exact reason you wouldn't want any players wagering or taking drugs

having said that, if KT couldn't implement it, I don't see how these guys could

practical joke sounds about right at this point

 

[Fragged]

I attended all three of the IPT tournaments. They were splendid events to witness. I did what I c ould to promote attendance at the Reno tournament. I think the peak was for the finals and I counted no more than 500 in the audience.

And you do recall that many of those 'fans' were recruited from movie extras and modeling agencies and were paid to sit there to make it look like the IPT had a young Hip crowd.

 

[smashmouth]

That's no management team.

I really don't think that anyone who has 66 milion doesn't care how it is wasted. You just dont accumulate that much without caring. You can SAY you dont care just like KT did but when he saw the numbers and they were not flowing to the botom line he started caring a lot!! Same thing will happen here.

exactly, people without any business training (or common sense) often think that all their fledgling sport needs is a multi million dollar cash influx to get things going. Saudi Shiekhs not withstanding (it's not just pool they throw money at) nobody sinks millions into anything without some form of plan for profit, there must be demand, Bill Gates or Warren buffet could do no more for Billiards right now than KT, although one could argue they could possible help create such a demand over years, they simply could not start a profitable tour right now.

I firmly believe KT got shafted with the Bush online gambling bill, NOBODY saw that coming, I still believe he wanted to follow the very succesfull BWIN model who many here still don't realize takes bets on the Euro Tour and streams the matches live for free

 

[smashmouth]

as a UFC fan since it's inception, I've had to watch the highly uneducated (regarding mma) and extremely agenda driven (financial boxing interests) Senator McCain almost kill the sport single handedly and now Bush kills off the IPT

politicians

in any case, I suspect this nacpba guy is having a nice laugh about all this right now

 

[Bob Jewett]

And you do recall that many of those 'fans' were recruited from movie extras and modeling agencies and were paid to sit there to make it look like the IPT had a young Hip crowd.

None, as far as I could tell. The audience extras only appeared at Orlando.

 

[Fragged]

None, as far as I could tell. The audience extras only appeared at Orlando.

I KNOW that they were there during the week and I imagine they were there for the finals.

Were you there early in the week? All the close-up audience shots contained one or more ringers. I sat next to one twice.

 

[d_flash]

funny how things get off track and just die off........................................................................................

oh well; BUMP to the top !

 

[alstl]

Did Michael Vick, Pacman Jones, Chris Henry, Mike Tyson, Pete Rose, that ref in the NBA, Rae Carruth, Cecil Collins, Tank Johnson, Jamal Lewis, Dexter Manley, Bam Morris, Mercury Morris, Nate Newton, Art Schlichter, Dwight Gooden, Darryl Strawberry, Ugueth Urbina, Isaiah Rider, Mike Danton, Craig Mactavish, Trevor Berbick, Hurrican Carter and Tonya Harding all TOW THE LINE???? And the line they were towing was a lot more profitable than pool.

Sonny Liston deserves an honorable mention on a list like that. One of the more colorful characters to come out of St Louis.