New Format For World 9-ball Championship

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instead of having the players race to 5, for the first few days which i feel is quite silly, i propose from day one foward a race to 24, single elimination. i believe this is very fair, and will show the TRUE world champion. anyone behind in the race, has a damn good chance of comming back, and anyone in front, has a good chance of slipping behind! what do you think?
 
THE SILENCER said:
instead of having the players race to 5, for the first few days which i feel is quite silly, i propose from day one foward a race to 24, single elimination. i believe this is very fair, and will show the TRUE world champion. anyone behind in the race, has a damn good chance of comming back, and anyone in front, has a good chance of slipping behind! what do you think?
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I absolutely agree, in fact I think all pro pool
tournaments should have that kind of format.



Bobby
 
Hey Bobby. How's it going?

I hate to disagree with you, but you'll need a plan to wake up the audience in the middle of one of these things. As Danny McGoorty once said about balkline, you'd need to shoot off a cannon in the place.

Also, what happens when it's a blowout? A few years back, Fong Pang Chao (I think) was playing Ismael Paez in the finals of that tournament, and beat him like 17-5. About the only exciting there was to see if Morro would get blanked, which he almost was. :eek:

I don't know... maybe I'm looking at it wrong, but I think that for every set that goes 23-23 (and really, how is that more exciting than 10-10 in a race to 11), there'll be a ton that are 24-13.

Maybe you could sell pillows, though, and make a fortune :D


- Steve
 
Steve Lipsky said:
Hey Bobby. How's it going?

I hate to disagree with you, but you'll need a plan to wake up the audience in the middle of one of these things. As Danny McGoorty once said about balkline, you'd need to shoot off a cannon in the place.

Also, what happens when it's a blowout? A few years back, Fong Pang Chao (I think) was playing Ismael Paez in the finals of that tournament, and beat him like 17-5. About the only exciting there was to see if Morro would get blanked, which he almost was. :eek:

I don't know... maybe I'm looking at it wrong, but I think that for every set that goes 23-23 (and really, how is that more exciting than 10-10 in a race to 11), there'll be a ton that are 24-13.

Maybe you could sell pillows, though, and make a fortune :D


- Steve
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Hi Steve, what's up?

Yeah, I know what you mean, but I personally would
love it. Maybe with alternate breaks there wouldn't
be as many blowouts.

In the Embassy Snooker Championships, the finals
are a race to 18, and believe it or not in the last
20 years there have been 3 finals that went hill-hill.
There have also been a couple of 18-16's and 18-15's.

I wonder if a single elimination format would make
the players concentrate even harder?


Bobby
 
I think the races should be slightly longer in the round robin stages (maybe race to 7, lets not forget they are playing 7 matches in the group stages). I should the single elimination rounds should be at least race to 11, all the way to the Final which is race to 17. However, I think the format is superb as it is, and fits into the TV time pretty well (although it always seems to over run on the first day).
 
I do not think you could play races to 24 in the World Champs. Firstly, there is the audience. To bring the public in, you wouldn't want to make the races that long, as many might get bored, they have to be short for the first 1/2 days to make it exciting. I also like the Judgement Day, where people are playing for the top places, it makes it more tense to see who can nip in there etc. For me, the top players should be able to qualify through the round robin stages, I know that they are races to 5, but 4/5 wins from 7 shouldn't be hard, they are seeded into groups so it isnt like you have 7 World Champs in 1 group.
 
hey steve it's bernie, from carom, friend of ira lee's, how's it going? i politley disagree. if you want luck, go to vegas, if you want a real fight, play to 24. then and only then will a "true" world champion be crowned. how do you think ismeal peaz got to the finals? he snuck in the back door, by playing races to 5. let's face it, an average player, can beat efren reyes in a race to 2, so how can a mere race to 5, actually be taken seriously in a world champion format? just my opinion. 9-ball has rolls, luck,good breaks and bad ones, people who have 6, while the other has 0 or 1, now, in a race to 24, you bet your sweet ass, there is going to be a fight to the death, and if someone like luc salvas gets beaten 24-4 by ralf souquet, it serves him right! hey he calls himself a pro, and wanted to play in a world championship, so, let's play! furthermore, instead of being boring, i think the opposite would occur. imagine this,,----- nick van den berg vs. ralf souquet race to 24. the score is 13 to 2 ralf souquet is winning. 20 mins. later the score is 13-13!!! OH MOMMA, we got action!!!!!!!!!!
 
THE SILENCER said:
instead of having the players race to 5, for the first few days which i feel is quite silly, i propose from day one foward a race to 24, single elimination. i believe this is very fair, and will show the TRUE world champion. anyone behind in the race, has a damn good chance of comming back, and anyone in front, has a good chance of slipping behind! what do you think?
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It is unlikely this will ever happen except for an occassional purist event.

There are organizational and boredom restrictions, but most importantly there is a broadcasting restriction.

The world championship of snooker is an exception to the rule as it runs 35 frames (about 15 hours of broadcasting over 2 days) which has achieved sone of the highest broadcasting ratings in British history. However, the English are more tolerant of long competitions eg. Test Cricket, and the older World Champs used to be as long as best of 145 frames ( roughly recollect).

The races to 5 I believe are only in the round robin qualifying section (I think), but I would like to see that extended a few frames to minimize the lucky runs.
 
Steve Lipsky

Welcome! I see that this is your first post. I saw you play in a 14.1 qualifyer and was impressed with your play and demeanor. Hope you will lend your experience and knowledge to this forum. Reading your posts from other boards always showed fairness and openess. It is needed.
 
WC Early Stages

There WILL be a new format for the group stages of this years World Championship. There will still be 16 groups of 8 players, reducing down to 4 from each group as before. They will play an adapted form of double elimination knockout. If you win your first two matches then you are guaranteed to qualify. Likewise, if you lose both your opening matches then you are eliminated. Otherwise you must play a 'sudden death' third match which will ensue in either your second win or your second defeat. This will reduce the number of matches to ten per group and these will be Races to 9 racks. It will be played over three days instead of the customary four, leaving extra time for the more attractive final knockout stages. It will also banish the spectre of 'dumping' matches because every game matters.
This is a similar format to the one used on the UK Pro 9 Ball Tour this season and itis very popular with the players.
 
I've always thought maybe we should take a tip from table tennis and make it a "win by two" games rule in shorter sets with the player behind breaking. With alternating or winner breaks this would take away a lot of the luck factor. Or we could adopt "Grady's Rules" (call shot, no early 9 ball etc...)
 
Billiards

For about 20 years RAymond Ceuelemans was virtually unbeatable with the 3 cushion games played to 60 points against each opponent. After they changed the format ... RAce to 3 sets with games played to 15 points, he became beatable. Even though the games are shorter and he has gotten older, he is still a force.
"With a 15 point game, even I could win a set once in a while?" ...but playing to 60 points.....NO WAY!!!!!

***note ...there has been more than one dominating champ since the format change...
 
longer races

THE SILENCER said:
instead of having the players race to 5, for the first few days which i feel is quite silly, i propose from day one foward a race to 24, single elimination. i believe this is very fair, and will show the TRUE world champion. anyone behind in the race, has a damn good chance of comming back, and anyone in front, has a good chance of slipping behind! what do you think?
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I think longer races are good for the players to some extent. Race to 11 and finals to 13 are acceptable. Longer than that, you should use the Sardo and rack them on the spot so they can run some 8s and 9s. I'd love to watch races to 24, but the average spectator would get bored about 1/2 way. Sam
 
maybe the european temperment is better suited for the long matches, like a slowly unfolding 6 hour movie,,,,but race to 11 does as well as 23, imo. or three races to 8. ya gotta chop that baby into bite sized pieces.

it's the races to 5 that are ridiculous!
 
Doug

If you are in a group of 8 and you have to play say Busta and Steve Davis for your first two matches and you lose, you are out?? Doesn't seem fair at all.

Now if you win your first two, you are "guaranteed" to qualify- Does that mean you don't play anymore til then? If not you can surely dump.

Is there somewhere these rules are fully explained? Im not familiar with the British 9 Ball tour.

Thanks Doug-Ill see you in Taiwan.

Davey Gravy
 
Im with you Steve. Preliminary rounds with races to more than 9 would be very boring for the most part. The UPA tried single elimination, races to 15 in one event (And in a Mall too- OH BOY!!) and that was the end of that format.
 
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