New Gold Crown

[TrxR]

Mark Gregory is one of the top mechanics in the country and also builds tables from the bottom up. Oscar’s input is not only from a player’s perspective, but also from his knowledge and experience installing and working on tables with his dad who is also a top mechanic.

If they actually listen and follow through with Mark's recommendations, the new tables should be a good design but fit and finish could still be a problem depending on the manufacturer.

 

[fjk]

Mark Gregory is one of the top mechanics in the country and also builds tables from the bottom up. Oscar’s input is not only from a player’s perspective, but also from his knowledge and experience installing and working on tables with his dad who is also a top mechanic.

Absolutely this. The more Brunswick listens to those guys, the better off they will be. I couldn't think of anyone that's more qualified to provide table advice.

 

[iusedtoberich]

If they actually listen and follow through with Mark's recommendations, the new tables should be a good design but fit and finish could still be a problem depending on the manufacturer.

Agree with this. The Brunswick problem for the last 50 years has not been the playability of the table, but rather the fit and finish.

Now, that starts with the design. Diamond solved a lot of those problems by eliminating extra parts (the corner casting that causes both fit/finish issue, scratching cue issues), and improving other areas, such as pinning the corners together. etc.

 

[iusedtoberich]

I know this is the wrong thread for this, but I wish Brunswick comes up with a ground up design. Get rid of ALL the metal castings/trim, switch to phenolic impregnated rail tops, KEEP the SuperSpeed and the poplar rail construction, and switch to a 1 piece slate with a frame that allows roll-in installation. Basically copy a bunch of the Diamond improvements, but keep the cushion response of the Gold Crown.

There is no value, IMO, in keeping the existing aesthetic. Brunswick already lost all of its customer base by abandoning the game for 25 years. The new players don't give a hoot what the old Gold Crown looked like.

 

[rexus31]

If they actually listen and follow through with Mark's recommendations, the new tables should be a good design but fit and finish could still be a problem depending on the manufacturer.

Mark is meticulous. You can tell by looking at his work. The devil is in the details and I'm sure he's mentioned the fit and finish of recent Brunswick products to them. The question is: Will they listen?

 

[garczar]

I don't think that's the case at all. IIRC, Mark Gregory and Oscar Dominguez are involved in the development of the GCVII. Brunswick is also sponsoring Oscar so I'm hopeful they are starting to get more serious about pool and the pro game.

Legacy is sponsoring Oscar. They bought Cue&Case(Lucasi/Players/HXT) and B'wick Billiards. It looks like they intend for B'wick to be a 'player' in table biz again.

 

[garczar]

There involvement means nothing to me. Just because you can play doesn’t mean you understand what goes into building a table. I just know what I’m reading from installers on all ends of the country and none of its good

WTF? they haven't even made any yet. How the hell would these installers know shit about them? Mark is one of THE top table guys in the business and Oscar has been fixing table since he was about 10yrs old. Why do you spew this nonsense? Typical i guess. Bye. again.

 

[DJKeys]

I bought a Black Wolf back in 2019, thinking that it had Brunswick quality. It did not. The ball return was cheap pvc tubing and stuck daily. The table was out of level more often than not. Cushions were inconsistent. When I sold the house, I left the table there. Bought it new, basically a waste of money. Thankfully, got it all back by adding it into the listing price of the house.

-dj

 

[Black-Balled]

I bought a Black Wolf back in 2019, thinking that it had Brunswick quality. It did not. The ball return was cheap pvc tubing and stuck daily. The table was out of level more often than not. Cushions were inconsistent. When I sold the house, I left the table there. Bought it new, basically a waste of money. Thankfully, got it all back by adding it into the listing price of the house.

-dj

Tuff thumbs up right there....except the fact you don't have to touch it anymore!