New Pool Art For Sale

JCIN

JCIN

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I have recently recieved alot of good feedback on some of the photos I have taken and posted in the forum. I'd like to say thanks to all who have encouraged me.

After surfing around the net and looking around the local billiard dealers I have found a real lack of what I think is original art. Most is graphic style cartoonish drawings or standard Hustler and COM still photos.

We are only going to do 10 of this picture in this size. The photo is 12x18 professionally printed, dry mounted, double matted, and framed in an 18x24 frame.

Price is $250

We can accept PayPal or Money Order, Personal Check.

I would like feedback from the forum on both this image and our idea to do something new for pool memorabilia.

Thanks.


The picture was taken at this years Derby City Classic in Louisville, Ky.

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I like the picture, particularly the contrast between the cloth and the black, but I would think that something closer up would look nicer. I think the table takes up too much of the picture. My opinion only. Also, the "Victory" along with your logo seems a bit large compared to the rest of the product. $250 for a matted 12X18 photo seems high as well.

I think the name of the photo "Victory" would be all that I would want except for a very small mention of j/a photos. But I am the kind of person who doesn't like to give free advertising if I don't have to. If I could, I would buy my vehicles without the dealer's stickers/logo. If they like the product, they will ask where it came from.

I think this would be neat if you had something like a dictionary definition listed: Winner - One who walks away with the money at the end of the game!

Another idea, the nine ball, in somewhat of a still shot, half way into the pocket, with the title: Just another drop in the bucket.
 
I mostly agree with CUENUT!

The large "Victory" makes this "artwork" look like one of those Positive Thinking/Motivational Posters, i.e. "There's No I in Team", and related.

Next, $250.00 would be fine for ORIGINAL ARTWORK, even a signed lithograph, but these are photographs.

Don't get me wrong - I'm an accomplished amateur photographer and I appreciate the talent and the eye. ALOT could be done with this shot, but I wouldn't sell it as is.

Finally, "only 10 this size" indicates that you might make thousands of these, just different formats. Doesn't exactly convey a "buy me, I'm special" message.

JMO!! ICBW! Again I respect the talent.

-von
 
That price is not out of line at all. I just paid 225 to have a photo larger than that single matted and framed. Framing is an expensive business these days.
 
Personally, I like it. :)

Only a couple things I would change to make it perfect:

1) It's true what cuenut is saying about the logo...while it is important that there be some sort of marking of your company on the product, I would rather it wasn't just stamped on below the "Victory." (which I love, by the way -- very nice touch).

2) The price :o

Otherwise, I'd be all over it...


Thanks,
- Joaquin.
 
VonRhett said:
I mostly agree with CUENUT!

The large "Victory" makes this "artwork" look like one of those Positive Thinking/Motivational Posters, i.e. "There's No I in Team", and related.

Next, $250.00 would be fine for ORIGINAL ARTWORK, even a signed lithograph, but these are photographs.

Don't get me wrong - I'm an accomplished amateur photographer and I appreciate the talent and the eye. ALOT could be done with this shot, but I wouldn't sell it as is.

Finally, "only 10 this size" indicates that you might make thousands of these, just different formats. Doesn't exactly convey a "buy me, I'm special" message.

JMO!! ICBW! Again I respect the talent.

-von
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i agree, i would like it much better without the "victory". the picture speaks strongly enough for itself :)
 
Thank you to everyone for the feedback.

I should of made myself more clear regarding the limit of 10 "this size". After the run of 10 12x18 prints we will not print any more this large. The largest print we would do is an 8x10.

We are in the process of setting up a website and people will be able to pick photos and order prints. The biggest issue we are running into is getting releases and figuring out a way to compensate the players for using their likeness.

As far as the price, I have no illusions of getting rich doing this. This piece as it sits cost me $130 for printing, mounting, matting, and framing (and I know a guy :D ).
Now figure in about $2k worth of camera, lenses, and assorted goodies. My bill for the travel and lodging to the Derby alone was north of $1500.

I'm not complaining just putting it out there for consideration.

It looks like the placard under the picture is a problem for some, I will definetly look at that in the future.

Once again thank you to everyone who has taken the time to give me your opinion. Keep 'em coming.
 
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Save your money...

JCIN,

Your work looks great...everyone will have an opinion as to how they could have done it "better", but it is the artist or photographer"s vision that makes things work out well. The logo and stuff like that, you will work the placement/size of those items out over time.

I worked in this area for over 35 years. The one piece of advice I would give reference the matting and framing is to learn to do it yourself. Don't give your money to a third party. You are a professional in the Graphic Arts field, and I feel you cou certainly do as professional a job as the person working at a craft shop. The only secret is to find a source of pre-cut mats, frames, etc. Here is a source for what you need...there are literally hundreds of these vendors out there. Hang tough....

Joe

http://www.charrette.com/store/catalog/searchResultsBrowse.jsp?parent=31479&performSearch=true&searchLevel=0&ipstyle=h&category=31479&trail=1|31479|31823&subparent=31823
 
Beautiful photograph! I'd like to see the rest of your work, and would probably buy smaller prints that I could mat and frame myself. Please post your website address when it's up and running. Good luck in your venture!
 
JCIN said:
Thank you to everyone for the feedback.

I should of made myself more clear regarding the limit of 10 "this size". After the run of 10 12x18 prints we will not print any more this large. The largest print we would do is an 8x10.

We are in the process of setting up a website and people will be able to pick photos and order prints. The biggest issue we are running into is getting releases and figuring out a way to compensate the players for using their likeness.

As far as the price, I have no illusions of getting rich doing this. This piece as it sits cost me $130 for printing, mounting, matting, and framing (and I know a guy :D ).
Now figure in about $2k worth of camera, lenses, and assorted goodies. My bill for the travel and lodging to the Derby alone was north of $1500.

I'm not complaining just putting it out there for consideration.

It looks like the placard under the picture is a problem for some, I will definetly look at that in the future.

Once again thank you to everyone who has taken the time to give me your opinion. Keep 'em coming.
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JCIN,

I think the picture's great and the price is fine (maybe even low) if you're only planning to sell 10. You'll probably sell out. With that limited of a run, you are planning for it to be out of most people's price range.

I am a photographer as well. I've found one of the worst things you can do is undervalue your work. Sets you up as a bargain artist.

Now, on the other hand, you might want to release some of your photos with the widest appeal as posters and sell for $25 or so unframed, might make more $$ that way.

I agree with Bamacues, if you're going to sell framed prints, do the work yourself. I had some stuff in galleries (ego thing) but I was only making $5 each if I sold them at $200 (gallery % split, framing, matting, printing, etc...). That only works if you're framing yourself.

You actually might make more if you raised the prices to about $400 and made larger prints or prints on canvas and frames. Are you limiting yourself to 12X18 because of the digital resolution of the image?

Cheers,
RC
 
sixpack said:
JCIN,

I think the picture's great and the price is fine (maybe even low) if you're only planning to sell 10. You'll probably sell out. With that limited of a run, you are planning for it to be out of most people's price range.

I am a photographer as well. I've found one of the worst things you can do is undervalue your work. Sets you up as a bargain artist.

Now, on the other hand, you might want to release some of your photos with the widest appeal as posters and sell for $25 or so unframed, might make more $$ that way.

I agree with Bamacues, if you're going to sell framed prints, do the work yourself. I had some stuff in galleries (ego thing) but I was only making $5 each if I sold them at $200 (gallery % split, framing, matting, printing, etc...). That only works if you're framing yourself.

You actually might make more if you raised the prices to about $400 and made larger prints or prints on canvas and frames. Are you limiting yourself to 12X18 because of the digital resolution of the image?

Cheers,
RC
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Thanks for info. I really appreciate it.

I will absolutely look into framing myself.

Basically we just wanted to see if there is a market for our product, I wanted to put something together of a very high quality and see what the response is. It was alot easier letting the pro's do it this time. Down the road I'm sure we will do more ourselves.

After spending hours and hours searching forums and reading books and magazines, one common thread most successful photographers seemed to repeat was, just as you said, "Do not sell your self short". So we'll keep at it.

You are correct about not everyone owning one of these. This photo means alot to me personally. The picture is of Shane picking up the stake after beating Darren Appleton in one of the best sets I have ever seen. 12 hours of world class pool by two of the nicest players in the game. I had watched for most of the night and went upstairs to sleep. I got a call a little while later "Come on, Come on, he's on the hill!!!" :D

I took this picture as everyone was going for the light and the money.

To me it captures that one moment that anyone who has ever played for money loves the most.
 
rayjay said:
Beautiful photograph! I'd like to see the rest of your work, and would probably buy smaller prints that I could mat and frame myself. Please post your website address when it's up and running. Good luck in your venture!
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Thank you very much for the compliment and encouragement.

As soon as we get all the legal ducks in a row concerning releases and compensation (hopefully sooner than later) we will be up and running.

When we are good to go AZ will be the first to know. :D :D

Hey that rhymed.....
 
Is there really that much money to be made for pool art?

Is there really that much money to be made from pool art?

Is there really a market out there? I've been working on some stuff (see my free pool
art post in the main forum) and if there really is a market for it, I will put more effort
into my work.
 
whitey2 said:
Is there really that much money to be made from pool art?

Is there really a market out there? I've been working on some stuff (see my free pool
art post in the main forum) and if there really is a market for it, I will put more effort
into my work.
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I really don't know. I just know that I have not seen a whole lot of stuff I would personally buy. Honestly the only photos/art I would pay for is what RickS has posted here.

We think we have some things people will be interested in.

Stuff like this:

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I say if you think you have a good product, go for it. Lord knows we have enough Fast Eddie and Vince shots.
 
Actually that is not the best moment...

JCIN said:
[...] To me it captures that one moment that anyone who has ever played for money loves the most.
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Actually, if you ask me, the moment that money players like the most, is when they are out
the door, with the money, in their car, driving. They look in the rear view mirror to see if
anyone is following them. When they think that no one is, *THEN* is that moment they
love the best.
 
whitey2 said:
Actually, if you ask me, the moment that money players like the most, is when they are out
the door, with the money, in their car, driving. They look in the rear view mirror to see if
anyone is following them. When they think that no one is, *THEN* is that moment they
love the best.
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Nah..not for me. I'm a romantic. :D
 
PunchOut said:
that pic of bustamante is awesome, cant wait to see more ;)
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I would have left at least the cue ball on the table though.
A tough shot would work also.
Bill
 
wjpjr said:
I would have left at least the cue ball on the table though.
A tough shot would work also.
Bill
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Look at the end of the table. Cue ball and 9 are left after he missed. He wasn't happy.

The hard part of this is these are not posed shots. They are all taken in the middle of the action.
 
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