New Predator Cues and Shafts
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That thing looks nice, and the 314^2 hmmm wonder what the difference is going to be?
Maybe these are warp resistant
They have an EASY button for when you get out of line...
Second generation? Shouldn't this be at least the third generation? Not counting all the prototypes, the first generation was the one without the cat, then came the model with the cat, and now this one with the square marking. Why does it have a 2, rather than a 3?
I believe Predator chose the number 314 because of the irrational number "pie" which equals 3.1415927....This number has a lot to do with the properties of a circle. And it also emphasises their "pie" lamination technology.
But the square of this number "pie", or (3.1415927..) 2 simply does not mean anything in math. Since pie is an irrational number, which means it is a number with an infinite decimal places, the square of it is really just another irrational number, which does not have anything to do with a circle or "pie" lamination for that matter. It is just another number that can never be expressed accuratly in decimals.
I can see the meaning of this logo if they now have double the number of laminations as before, hence the "pie" squared...but is it the case?
On a side note, Predator really emphasises on the accuracy of its product, but the ironic part of the number "pie" or 3.1415927... is that you can never express this number accuratey in decimals.
To someone who knows maths, the number "pie" in decimal forms is not a number you would use when you want accurancy. Especially if you use 314, which is taking only 3 siginificant figures, you are really expressing a compromised version of a number which cannot be accurately expressed in decimals to begin with.
Now, Predator is coming out with a shaft labelled "pie" squared, which in a mathematical sense, is multiplying a number they can never expressed accuratly in decimals with the same number, is it making it twice more inaccurate in a marketing sense?
I know they are going to have a new ferrule on this new shaft, after all these years of fixing broken, melt, and scratched 314 ferrules, the cue repairmen should be very happy about that.
On the other hand, the user of the existing 314 might have problem selling their 314.
Will there be any upgrade avaliable?
Thank you.
Richard
I believe Predator chose the number 314 because of the irrational number "pie" which equals 3.1415927....This number has a lot to do with the properties of a circle. And it also emphasises their "pie" lamination technology.
But the square of this number "pie", or (3.1415927..) 2 simply does not mean anything in math. Since pie is an irrational number, which means it is a number with an infinite decimal places, the square of it is really just another irrational number, which does not have anything to do with a circle or "pie" lamination for that matter. It is just another number that can never be expressed accuratly in decimals.
I can see the meaning of this logo if they now have double the number of laminations as before, hence the "pie" squared...but is it the case?
On a side note, Predator really emphasises on the accuracy of its product, but the ironic part of the number "pie" or 3.1415927... is that you can never express this number accuratey in decimals.
To someone who knows maths, the number "pie" in decimal forms is not a number you would use when you want accurancy. Especially if you use 314, which is taking only 3 siginificant figures, you are really expressing a compromised version of a number which cannot be accurately expressed in decimals to begin with.
Now, Predator is coming out with a shaft labelled "pie" squared, which in a mathematical sense, is multiplying a number they can never expressed accuratly in decimals with the same number, is it making it twice more inaccurate in a marketing sense?
I know they are going to have a new ferrule on this new shaft, after all these years of fixing broken, melt, and scratched 314 ferrules, the cue repairmen should be very happy about that.
On the other hand, the user of the existing 314 might have problem selling their 314.
Will there be any upgrade avaliable?
Thank you.
Richard
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look for a thread from Shane S.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=30283
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=30283
ScottW said:
shanesinnott said:
rofl this is the craziest thing i've heard...
you want them to market on A MATHEMATICAL CONCEPT that barely anyone who is buying the shafts actually cares about!?!?!
Come on, they had the 314 shaft and then they have a new and improved model so they go with "squared" which is catchy and can be applied to even non-mathematical products.
Can't believe you are criticizing their marketing based on how the new logo depicts irrational numbers.... lol
nipponbilliards said:
In the US their are all sorts of products that contain mathematical expressions that have nothing to do with the products, it's called creative license. Would getting free advertising on a forum instead of actually paying for ads / marketing be an improvement in their marketing? Or maybe making claims about their products with no proof to back it up be better marketing?
MacGyver said:
No, that is not what I meant. When I saw that logo, the maths implication came to mind right away, and it just did not make any sense to me. I guess I am just a maths nerd.
I am not sure if anyone buying their new shaft would care about this, I know I would, but I cannot speak for others, and there is no statistic at hand to show whether they will or not.
My point is just that 314 is the number pie, and it is irrational. It can never be expressed accurately as a decimal. So, using that to represent what was supposed to be the most accurate shaft was a bit ironic from a maths point of view, and then now they are using 314 squared, which is just puzzling.
But you can buy whatever you want and you do not have to see my prespective. I am not here to convince you otherwise.
If you like it, all the power to you...and Predator.
I am just saying I do not think it was a good marketing idea, but that is just my opinion.
I supposed it is not a big deal unless you are mathematically inclined, and see a symbol and an associated meaning when you see the number pie.
But like I said, I love math and science and that is just me, I am a nerd
I can't help it. Richard
I'm a huge huge geek and have plenty of math under my belt, that isnt the point...
The difference is holding someone's marketing, which was not trying to be mathematically correct at all, to a mathematical judgment.
It would be one thing if the shaft was called " pi = 3.14159..."
However its not... its simply named "314".
Do you go around to those new Ford Fusion cars exclaiming that they arent run on nuclear energy or that the Red Bull energy drink is not red nor contains Bull juices???
I'm just saying that you are taking a name and its mathematical properties to the extreme if you are going to critizice someone's marketing, which again you still dont make sense.
If you agree its just the nerd in you, then why is it a bad marketing move in your opinion? Marketing matters to the masses not to math nerds, even if you dont agree with the name you should still be able to agree its good marketing...
Fair enough and i'm going to let it drop I understand it may have been a slight misunderstanding I just dont agree that its bad marketing just because of some math flaws that dont even factor into the marketing...
-macgyver
ps another thing that also ticked me off and got me to respond was your "outing" of a member here and then acting like it was a good move.
Honestly, not everyone has a boss that likes employees running their mouths on internet forums, and if Pillage6 chose to remain anonymous then you should respect that... outing him just closes off his freedom to speak on this forum as now people might draw conclusions that he speaks for pred, or worse he might be stopped from chatting here under that nick from his bosses...
Seriously, ALL over the place are people who post anonymously so they can talk about info without interefering with their job, and I think by outing you've interfered with that when it shouldnt have been done....
It would be one thing if pillage6 was hosting some mass conspiracy or something, but if he was just a pred employee that wanted to be able to post on an internet message board in peace without being hounded by people about pred stuff or worse his boss censoring him, then thats another story...
I really dont know his reasons or whatever, but its in bad form to publically out someone like that without at least PM'ing them discussing it....
then right after you do that, come here and badmouth preds marketing on some backwards reason... just doesnt sound right imho.
The difference is holding someone's marketing, which was not trying to be mathematically correct at all, to a mathematical judgment.
It would be one thing if the shaft was called " pi = 3.14159..."
However its not... its simply named "314".
Do you go around to those new Ford Fusion cars exclaiming that they arent run on nuclear energy or that the Red Bull energy drink is not red nor contains Bull juices???
I'm just saying that you are taking a name and its mathematical properties to the extreme if you are going to critizice someone's marketing, which again you still dont make sense.
If you agree its just the nerd in you, then why is it a bad marketing move in your opinion? Marketing matters to the masses not to math nerds, even if you dont agree with the name you should still be able to agree its good marketing...
Fair enough and i'm going to let it drop I understand it may have been a slight misunderstanding I just dont agree that its bad marketing just because of some math flaws that dont even factor into the marketing...
-macgyver
ps another thing that also ticked me off and got me to respond was your "outing" of a member here and then acting like it was a good move.
Honestly, not everyone has a boss that likes employees running their mouths on internet forums, and if Pillage6 chose to remain anonymous then you should respect that... outing him just closes off his freedom to speak on this forum as now people might draw conclusions that he speaks for pred, or worse he might be stopped from chatting here under that nick from his bosses...
Seriously, ALL over the place are people who post anonymously so they can talk about info without interefering with their job, and I think by outing you've interfered with that when it shouldnt have been done....
It would be one thing if pillage6 was hosting some mass conspiracy or something, but if he was just a pred employee that wanted to be able to post on an internet message board in peace without being hounded by people about pred stuff or worse his boss censoring him, then thats another story...
I really dont know his reasons or whatever, but its in bad form to publically out someone like that without at least PM'ing them discussing it....
then right after you do that, come here and badmouth preds marketing on some backwards reason... just doesnt sound right imho.
What web site did you see that new Predator on with the 314 2 ???? I CAN'T FIND IT ANYWHERE....
MacGyver said:
I understand what you are saying. I am just stating my opinion on the new logo. I am not here to convince you to agree with me. I did not intend to badmouth any predator marketing, I merely tried to state my opinion. If you or no one else agree with me, that is fine. I will not get offended and try to convince you. I also asked a question about whether there will be upgrade avaliable to those who have the old one. To me, this is not badmouthing, because I really was interested to know if there is anyway the customers who just purchased the old 314 shaft can buy an upgrade rather than another shaft.
I think a lot of people here may think I want to preach or impose my idea but I do not. I just want to state my point of view. The forum is a place to share and exchange information. I am sorry if my comment offended you.
Marketing matters not to the masses but the target market which the marketing mix is targeted at. If a product is targeted at the maths nerd, then it matters whether the maths nerd find it sensible or not. I am not sure what Predator's target market is, because I am not associated with them at all. But since they like to use a lot of data and statistic, I would assume that it is targeted at those who are more inclined to a scientific and technological approach. But then you could be right, those who are really knowledgable with maths and physics may not find this approach appealing(unless the maths and physics is really sound). Again, I am not sure what exactly is their market, I only know I do not agree with their approach and I stated my opinion as such.
I know Neil personally, and we have communicated via PM. I know you do not know the whole story and I can understand how you may draw your conclusion the way you did. But I do not want to discuss this in public. Both me and Neil have talked about this and decided this is best to leave it.
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I hope the new ferrule is even shorter. CHA-CHING...more money, more money...I'll be changing a lot of them if they are...$30 per, plus tip price.
Nice...
Nice...