New Public 8 Ball Instructors

OK I admit all of your posts are funny to read :grin: now back to the subject. So you say you were all casual players once and played by public rules, but now, when you decided to switch to official, they suddenly stopped making sense and we are lunatics for making this kind of guide? You're asking us to give you some of the reasons for writing the manual besides the fact that over 95% of pool players worldwide (who aren't planning to switch to official rules) could find this guide more useful in their everyday matches than all professional books combined.
PGHteacher pointed out one important issue. His post is maybe the only one making sense (all you other guys just trash talk) because he at least confessed the world of pool is divided between few pros and masses of casual and amateur players. But the difference is that he sees this situation as "the dark ages of this sport", while we consider it a new era of 8 Ball, in which the public rules will finally be united and the influence of conservative players and organizations, led by WPA and BCA, will inevitably decline.
Now you're probably asking yourself: "Why the hell would we want these organizations to lose power?" If we started explaining in details, it would take hours. Unfortunately, none of us has the time right now. In short, let's put it this way. If you compare standardized public rules (in the guide) with the official ones, you'll come to a conclusion they're clearly superior in every term. Now you're certainly thinking we're talking nonesense again. And believe me, if somebody had told me two or three years ago that official 8 Ball is old and outdated, I'd have thought he was crazy as well. But if you read the guide carefully instead of talking crap about it after looking at first two pages, you'll see this kind of play broadens the game in all aspects.
Firstly, the rules are less strict, allowing a lot more different moves play styles, but they still remain perfectly balanced. We didn't make them up, we've been watching their efficiency for years. We've talked to several expert players (some of them used to be pros like you, and one guy even won some important international tournament) and they all find public rules better than official, despite playing many professional matches. Although you can repeat we're wrong as many times as you want, we proved that the absence of shot calling makes the games a lot better, more fun, and actually much more challenging to play. We'll explain it better another time.
Secondly, there are many significant improvements in technique. We have both ADS and SFH shooting stances, a wider array of shooting modes, many different styles of shooting etc. Also, in professional matches players usually stick to low-powered shots, but in public matches all power levels are equally important. Also, due to existence of both technically demanding and technically simple types of shots, players with inferior technique are capable of defeating superior ones using right strategies, which adds a new dimension to the game.
Thirdly, tactics are now based both on planning and probability and players are required to balance between the two in order to beat their opponents. There are four main strategies, with strategy-counter-strategy relations (similar to rock, paper and scissors). All players are free to develop their play styles the way they want to, investing in skills and knowledge they find personally useful. Instead of adapting themselves to the game (like in official 8 Ball), they need to adapt the game to themselves if they want to come out on top.
Now, if you can find logical counter-arguements for every main improvement we mentioned (and we didn't even scratch the surface), this debate can finally start making sense. And we have a lot to talk about during the next days, maybe weeks...

So where is the proof I requested? If you don't have any just say so and we can all move on from the ramblings of an idiot.


Here since you must have missed it I'll ask it again in detail:


Before rambling on more about how your techniques are correct and how there are 30,000,000 players that agree and play by your rules please show us a document or other type of proof that this is fact.

If it is not fact or you are unable to produce proof of any kind to back up your statement I would further ask that you stop spreading this kind of 'knowledge' to others.

Also, who is this pro that has won an international event? I can guarantee that multiple people on here know him if he really is a pro and it would be interesting to get him in this thread to see what he thinks of your guide.
 
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OK I admit all of your posts are funny to read :grin: now back to the subject. So you say you were all casual players once and played by public rules, but now, when you decided to switch to official, they suddenly stopped making sense and we are lunatics for making this kind of guide? You're asking us to give you some of the reasons for writing the manual besides the fact that over 95% of pool players worldwide (who aren't planning to switch to official rules) could find this guide more useful in their everyday matches than all professional books combined.
PGHteacher pointed out one important issue. His post is maybe the only one making sense (all you other guys just trash talk) because he at least confessed the world of pool is divided between few pros and masses of casual and amateur players. But the difference is that he sees this situation as "the dark ages of this sport", while we consider it a new era of 8 Ball, in which the public rules will finally be united and the influence of conservative players and organizations, led by WPA and BCA, will inevitably decline.
Now you're probably asking yourself: "Why the hell would we want these organizations to lose power?" If we started explaining in details, it would take hours. Unfortunately, none of us has the time right now. In short, let's put it this way. If you compare standardized public rules (in the guide) with the official ones, you'll come to a conclusion they're clearly superior in every term. Now you're certainly thinking we're talking nonesense again. And believe me, if somebody had told me two or three years ago that official 8 Ball is old and outdated, I'd have thought he was crazy as well. But if you read the guide carefully instead of talking crap about it after looking at first two pages, you'll see this kind of play broadens the game in all aspects.
Firstly, the rules are less strict, allowing a lot more different moves play styles, but they still remain perfectly balanced. We didn't make them up, we've been watching their efficiency for years. We've talked to several expert players (some of them used to be pros like you, and one guy even won some important international tournament) and they all find public rules better than official, despite playing many professional matches. Although you can repeat we're wrong as many times as you want, we proved that the absence of shot calling makes the games a lot better, more fun, and actually much more challenging to play. We'll explain it better another time.
Secondly, there are many significant improvements in technique. We have both ADS and SFH shooting stances, a wider array of shooting modes, many different styles of shooting etc. Also, in professional matches players usually stick to low-powered shots, but in public matches all power levels are equally important. Also, due to existence of both technically demanding and technically simple types of shots, players with inferior technique are capable of defeating superior ones using right strategies, which adds a new dimension to the game.
Thirdly, tactics are now based both on planning and probability and players are required to balance between the two in order to beat their opponents. There are four main strategies, with strategy-counter-strategy relations (similar to rock, paper and scissors). All players are free to develop their play styles the way they want to, investing in skills and knowledge they find personally useful. Instead of adapting themselves to the game (like in official 8 Ball), they need to adapt the game to themselves if they want to come out on top.
Now, if you can find logical counter-arguements for every main improvement we mentioned (and we didn't even scratch the surface), this debate can finally start making sense. And we have a lot to talk about during the next days, maybe weeks...

This settles it. Do you gamble? Hope so, cause you'll have players lining up to play you.
 
OK I admit all of your posts are funny to read :grin: now back to the subject. So you say you were all casual players once and played by public rules, but now, when you decided to switch to official, they suddenly stopped making sense and we are lunatics for making this kind of guide? You're asking us to give you some of the reasons for writing the manual besides the fact that over 95% of pool players worldwide (who aren't planning to switch to official rules) could find this guide more useful in their everyday matches than all professional books combined.
PGHteacher pointed out one important issue. His post is maybe the only one making sense (all you other guys just trash talk) because he at least confessed the world of pool is divided between few pros and masses of casual and amateur players. But the difference is that he sees this situation as "the dark ages of this sport", while we consider it a new era of 8 Ball, in which the public rules will finally be united and the influence of conservative players and organizations, led by WPA and BCA, will inevitably decline.
Now you're probably asking yourself: "Why the hell would we want these organizations to lose power?" If we started explaining in details, it would take hours. Unfortunately, none of us has the time right now. In short, let's put it this way. If you compare standardized public rules (in the guide) with the official ones, you'll come to a conclusion they're clearly superior in every term. Now you're certainly thinking we're talking nonesense again. And believe me, if somebody had told me two or three years ago that official 8 Ball is old and outdated, I'd have thought he was crazy as well. But if you read the guide carefully instead of talking crap about it after looking at first two pages, you'll see this kind of play broadens the game in all aspects.
Firstly, the rules are less strict, allowing a lot more different moves play styles, but they still remain perfectly balanced. We didn't make them up, we've been watching their efficiency for years. We've talked to several expert players (some of them used to be pros like you, and one guy even won some important international tournament) and they all find public rules better than official, despite playing many professional matches. Although you can repeat we're wrong as many times as you want, we proved that the absence of shot calling makes the games a lot better, more fun, and actually much more challenging to play. We'll explain it better another time.
Secondly, there are many significant improvements in technique. We have both ADS and SFH shooting stances, a wider array of shooting modes, many different styles of shooting etc. Also, in professional matches players usually stick to low-powered shots, but in public matches all power levels are equally important. Also, due to existence of both technically demanding and technically simple types of shots, players with inferior technique are capable of defeating superior ones using right strategies, which adds a new dimension to the game.
Thirdly, tactics are now based both on planning and probability and players are required to balance between the two in order to beat their opponents. There are four main strategies, with strategy-counter-strategy relations (similar to rock, paper and scissors). All players are free to develop their play styles the way they want to, investing in skills and knowledge they find personally useful. Instead of adapting themselves to the game (like in official 8 Ball), they need to adapt the game to themselves if they want to come out on top.
Now, if you can find logical counter-arguements for every main improvement we mentioned (and we didn't even scratch the surface), this debate can finally start making sense. And we have a lot to talk about during the next days, maybe weeks...



Let me ask you a serious question. If you were writing a beginner guide to playing golf would you change the most basic rules or would you teach the students the proper way to play the game?
 
This whole thing is obviously a troll trying to stir the pot. Some people have nothing better to do then argue with people that water isn't wet and the sky isn't blue. Let the dude post his nonsense, all the replies he's getting is what he wants. He's clearly a sad, lonely individual who just wants attention and causing a scene is the only way he can get it. Either that or he's retarded!

This guide was posted 3 days ago, I'm guessing it's the pocketpoint character or somebody like that. Someone who has made an appearance on AZB before and knows what pushes peoples buttons on here. The whole thing is comedy.
 
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So where is the proof I requested? If you don't have any just say so and we can all move on from the ramblings of an idiot.


Here since you must have missed it I'll ask it again in detail:


Before rambling on more about how your techniques are correct and how there are 30,000,000 players that agree and play by your rules please show us a document or other type of proof that this is fact.

If it is not fact or you are unable to produce proof of any kind to back up your statement I would further ask that you stop spreading this kind of 'knowledge' to others.

Also, who is this pro that has won an international event? I can guarantee that multiple people on here know him if he really is a pro and it would be interesting to get him in this thread to see what he thinks of your guide.



Still waiting on this whenever you feel like responding to it.
 
It looks like we have a lot to discuss about. First, it bothers us someone ever thought this could be a joke...
You don't seem to be familiar with amateur 8 Ball play. The huge majority of people in the world never play by official rules. They use thousands of different variants of public rules. In the guide we present a single, standardized and most balanced version of public rules anyone can use from now on. Today it's a common phenomenon that when players meet, they have major misunderstandings because each of them uses a different variant of rules. If this standardized public rules are spread worldwide, then such scenes will belong to history in the near future.
The official terminology is obviously related to official rules. Players who use these official rules probably haven't heard for other terms. However, a lot more people all around the globe use much more practical terms for pool equipment, table layout etc. We standardized these terms by choosing the most logical ones, just like we did with the rules.
This guide was written in English, it wasn't translated from any other language. We also apologize for not revealing our personal information, but for now we'd like to remain anonymous.
One of you mentioned the ram shot. I have to say you didn't understand that technique quite well. First of all, we made it clear that ram shot isn't supposed to be performed by novice players at all. Also, you don't take a "running leap forward", you stand like half a meter away from the table, with your stick already aiming at the white. Then you jump forward, using your entire body weight to add maximum power to your shot. The other variant is running two or three steps, and it's done without jumping. That type of RS is far more risky and isn't recommended. This technique should be used only for breaking, as we don't see how someone could possibly employ it in any other way. Maybe for some extreme ODS, but we wouldn't advise it. We're ready to clarify every single term you want, just like we did right now with the ram shot.
Lastly, we would never say 8 Ball instructors don't know anything about 8 Ball, that would just be ridiculous. We only said most of them don't know much about amateur play based on public rules, which you have to admit is a fact. And that's why we are here. If you're not interested in this type of play, then don't use this guide. But that large majority of players who play casual pool can get much out of our guide and our personal experience. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask.

I think you can dispense with the "we" terminology, unless you're the Queen of England or the Pope. There can't possibly be two of you who think like this.
 
Whatever drugs you were on when you wrote your book about 8 ball obviously have not worn off. I actually went and read a bit more. You had a rule where "if the 8 was close to a pocket, you could move it". Why even play at all? How about you throw the balls on the table, and take turns picking one up and throwing them around the room. It's about the same level of play as anything else you put in. The really odd part is that even after you got all this real information about the game, you continue to stomp your feel and proclaim that your are correct.

Please provide the names of anyone you spoke with that was not stoned or drunk and can run out a rack that agreed with any of your "rules" or ideas of how to play. So you understand, in your terms "run a rack" means when you take the differently shaped and textured white ball (another funny thing because a good set of billiard balls are all the same size) and use the stick to push or punch them into the holes on the sides of the place that holds up the flat green thing until only the "black" is left and then you make that last ball.

Your rules are so convoluted they are 10 times harder to remember than the BCA rules. You went from a simple "you can't move balls in play" to pages of stuff like being able to move the 8.

You may be the only person that has ever united every single poster on here in agreement about how insane this whole thing is you put together.

Although many people seem to think you are just here to yank our chain in a joke, the fact that putting together that book must have taken so long just points to the fact that you are just stubborn and have a learning disability.

OK I admit all of your posts are funny to read :grin: now back to the subject. So you say you were all casual players once and played by public rules, but now, when you decided to switch to official, they suddenly stopped making sense and we are lunatics for making this kind of guide? You're asking us to give you some of the reasons for writing the manual besides the fact that over 95% of pool players worldwide (who aren't planning to switch to official rules) could find this guide more useful in their everyday matches than all professional books combined.
PGHteacher pointed out one important issue. His post is maybe the only one making sense (all you other guys just trash talk) because he at least confessed the world of pool is divided between few pros and masses of casual and amateur players. But the difference is that he sees this situation as "the dark ages of this sport", while we consider it a new era of 8 Ball, in which the public rules will finally be united and the influence of conservative players and organizations, led by WPA and BCA, will inevitably decline.
Now you're probably asking yourself: "Why the hell would we want these organizations to lose power?" If we started explaining in details, it would take hours. Unfortunately, none of us has the time right now. In short, let's put it this way. If you compare standardized public rules (in the guide) with the official ones, you'll come to a conclusion they're clearly superior in every term. Now you're certainly thinking we're talking nonesense again. And believe me, if somebody had told me two or three years ago that official 8 Ball is old and outdated, I'd have thought he was crazy as well. But if you read the guide carefully instead of talking crap about it after looking at first two pages, you'll see this kind of play broadens the game in all aspects.
Firstly, the rules are less strict, allowing a lot more different moves play styles, but they still remain perfectly balanced. We didn't make them up, we've been watching their efficiency for years. We've talked to several expert players (some of them used to be pros like you, and one guy even won some important international tournament) and they all find public rules better than official, despite playing many professional matches. Although you can repeat we're wrong as many times as you want, we proved that the absence of shot calling makes the games a lot better, more fun, and actually much more challenging to play. We'll explain it better another time.
Secondly, there are many significant improvements in technique. We have both ADS and SFH shooting stances, a wider array of shooting modes, many different styles of shooting etc. Also, in professional matches players usually stick to low-powered shots, but in public matches all power levels are equally important. Also, due to existence of both technically demanding and technically simple types of shots, players with inferior technique are capable of defeating superior ones using right strategies, which adds a new dimension to the game.
Thirdly, tactics are now based both on planning and probability and players are required to balance between the two in order to beat their opponents. There are four main strategies, with strategy-counter-strategy relations (similar to rock, paper and scissors). All players are free to develop their play styles the way they want to, investing in skills and knowledge they find personally useful. Instead of adapting themselves to the game (like in official 8 Ball), they need to adapt the game to themselves if they want to come out on top.
Now, if you can find logical counter-arguements for every main improvement we mentioned (and we didn't even scratch the surface), this debate can finally start making sense. And we have a lot to talk about during the next days, maybe weeks...
 
Tell me did you get permission to use the pictures of the pro's in your manual? I didn't see any disclaimer stating such.

I am SURE, they will love the fact that you are using their image in your manual.

OK I admit all of your posts are funny to read :grin: now back to the subject. So you say you were all casual players once and played by public rules, but now, when you decided to switch to official, they suddenly stopped making sense and we are lunatics for making this kind of guide? You're asking us to give you some of the reasons for writing the manual besides the fact that over 95% of pool players worldwide (who aren't planning to switch to official rules) could find this guide more useful in their everyday matches than all professional books combined.
PGHteacher pointed out one important issue. His post is maybe the only one making sense (all you other guys just trash talk) because he at least confessed the world of pool is divided between few pros and masses of casual and amateur players. But the difference is that he sees this situation as "the dark ages of this sport", while we consider it a new era of 8 Ball, in which the public rules will finally be united and the influence of conservative players and organizations, led by WPA and BCA, will inevitably decline.
Now you're probably asking yourself: "Why the hell would we want these organizations to lose power?" If we started explaining in details, it would take hours. Unfortunately, none of us has the time right now. In short, let's put it this way. If you compare standardized public rules (in the guide) with the official ones, you'll come to a conclusion they're clearly superior in every term. Now you're certainly thinking we're talking nonesense again. And believe me, if somebody had told me two or three years ago that official 8 Ball is old and outdated, I'd have thought he was crazy as well. But if you read the guide carefully instead of talking crap about it after looking at first two pages, you'll see this kind of play broadens the game in all aspects.
Firstly, the rules are less strict, allowing a lot more different moves play styles, but they still remain perfectly balanced. We didn't make them up, we've been watching their efficiency for years. We've talked to several expert players (some of them used to be pros like you, and one guy even won some important international tournament) and they all find public rules better than official, despite playing many professional matches. Although you can repeat we're wrong as many times as you want, we proved that the absence of shot calling makes the games a lot better, more fun, and actually much more challenging to play. We'll explain it better another time.
Secondly, there are many significant improvements in technique. We have both ADS and SFH shooting stances, a wider array of shooting modes, many different styles of shooting etc. Also, in professional matches players usually stick to low-powered shots, but in public matches all power levels are equally important. Also, due to existence of both technically demanding and technically simple types of shots, players with inferior technique are capable of defeating superior ones using right strategies, which adds a new dimension to the game.
Thirdly, tactics are now based both on planning and probability and players are required to balance between the two in order to beat their opponents. There are four main strategies, with strategy-counter-strategy relations (similar to rock, paper and scissors). All players are free to develop their play styles the way they want to, investing in skills and knowledge they find personally useful. Instead of adapting themselves to the game (like in official 8 Ball), they need to adapt the game to themselves if they want to come out on top.
Now, if you can find logical counter-arguements for every main improvement we mentioned (and we didn't even scratch the surface), this debate can finally start making sense. And we have a lot to talk about during the next days, maybe weeks...
 
Let me ask you a serious question. If you were writing a beginner guide to playing golf would you change the most basic rules or would you teach the students the proper way to play the game?

I'd settle for a few paragraphs, and maybe some comma's.... :p

(Not an instructor.)
 
Regarding your long-awaited proof:
"Meanwhile, many amateur leagues, such as the American Poolplayers Association (APA) / Canadian Poolplayers Association (CPA), and the Valley National Eight-ball Association (VNEA, international in scope despite its historic name), use their own rulesets (most of them at least loosely based on the WPA/BCA version), while millions of individuals play informally using colloquial rules which vary not only from area to area but even from venue to venue."
Taken from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-ball

Why do you have a problem with me speaking in the name of other authors as well? The name "Poolkillers" says for itself we act as a group.

Our rules may seem complex to you comparing to the official ones, but it was a damn difficult job to balance it all out and not to leave gaps for exploitation. Don't worry, casual players will only have to adapt to several smaller differences, most of it is pretty much identical.

If we wanted to write a golf manual, I guess we would have to check out the rules first. I'm not aware of any major unofficial golf communities, so there should be only one possible way to make that kind of guide. Situation in 8 Ball is obviously different.

And do you actually think we'd put so much work in this guide just to troll on forums? And you say we're the ones simple minded...
 
Hello. This post is a message to all players who play amateur pool based on public rules. As professional instructors don't know much about this type of play, feel free to ask us everything you'd like to know about amateur 8 Ball. We've also written an online guide (we posted the link below). There you can find the public rules explained in detail, as well as everything a good player needs to know about technique, tactics, strategies and play styles.




Dude where did you get that Sun Burn that will certainly scare people away.:eek:

Now like the rest or the forum members have said so far, please at least offer something with useful Pool Terms that would be a great place to start.

Good Luck:smile:
 
The difference between what you quoted and what you did is miles apart. Yes you dunce, we ALL ALREADY KNOW that most people have no idea what the real rules of 8-ball are, so linking to a wiki article saying that is useless. And hey! That same article has rules in it, most of which are different that what you made up, if you use something as "fact" don't you think that you should use the rest of it? And those rules are in a single page, pretty easy to grasp and use in a game. WOW!

What you have yet to show is how what you wrote is any easier or better than what the instructors and top players have been teaching for 200 years. You have had a few people saying you should show off your skills, it's pretty certain that at least one member here lives near you. Meet him/her in a pool room and see how you stack up using your info. Or even better, take someone that read your stuff, and have them play someone that learned from the "pro" way. See what happens.

While people may have several rules they don't know about or hear from friends or someone say who is also ignorant of the real rules, they do not make up their own terminology and try to pass it off as official or try to write with confidence stuff that is just silly to anyone who read a single real pool on pool. One thing that is really annoying to hear from people who find out that you can play is usually the first thing they say is "So, you're some kind of pool shark?" or "You must be the next Fats, Yuk Yuk Yuk!". Reading your work is pretty much 40 pages of that.

Your "rules" don't just seem complex, they ARE, not only that, they are pretty much random and none of the "how to play" stuff has more than 10% of truth in it that would help anyone play better. You also seem to instruct people to start the game by putting money in a coin slot which is hard to do on a Gold Crown. Even if you really wanted to improve what you wrote, the notes to fix it will end up being longer than the whole original work. Take your head out of your hole, look around, take in some proper info.

Regarding your long-awaited proof:
"Meanwhile, many amateur leagues, such as the American Poolplayers Association (APA) / Canadian Poolplayers Association (CPA), and the Valley National Eight-ball Association (VNEA, international in scope despite its historic name), use their own rulesets (most of them at least loosely based on the WPA/BCA version), while millions of individuals play informally using colloquial rules which vary not only from area to area but even from venue to venue."
Taken from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-ball

Why do you have a problem with me speaking in the name of other authors as well? The name "Poolkillers" says for itself we act as a group.

Our rules may seem complex to you comparing to the official ones, but it was a damn difficult job to balance it all out and not to leave gaps for exploitation. Don't worry, casual players will only have to adapt to several smaller differences, most of it is pretty much identical.

If we wanted to write a golf manual, I guess we would have to check out the rules first. I'm not aware of any major unofficial golf communities, so there should be only one possible way to make that kind of guide. Situation in 8 Ball is obviously different.

And do you actually think we'd put so much work in this guide just to troll on forums? And you say we're the ones simple minded...
 
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Tell me did you get permission to use the pictures of the pro's in your manual? I didn't see any disclaimer stating such.

I am SURE, they will love the fact that you are using their image in your manual.

You mean they would not want to be associated with a manual that wants you to rotate 76% before each shot while running at the table and applying pig grease to the tip (sorry, the "small dark end of the stick") to help with curve on the white round thing? We should ask, the members here have the numbers to what, all of them?
 
I GOT it...

I GOT it....

I GOT it.....

We all just have our wires crossed here. He just mis-labeled the title. This is a guide about the decathlon, NOT pocket billiards. No wonder the terminology and techniques seem so damned awkward. Dude, you're in the wrong forum. This is AZ Billiards. You're looking for the Summer Olympics Forum. It's just a big misunderstanding and we can all go home now.
 
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So your whole argument is based upon a Wikipedia entry. Hey since it is on the internet, it must be correct right? :rolleyes:

Correct me if I am wrong I believe you are saying that there will be differences in the rules between locations. If that is true what is the point, doesn't seem like standardization to me.

You would have better been served to review the world standardized rules for 8 ball. Contact the BCA they can send you a set.

I think poolkillers is an appropriate name, since the adoption of your manifesto, would kill pool, but like I said in an earlier post, you could always write rules for darts next.



Regarding your long-awaited proof:
"Meanwhile, many amateur leagues, such as the American Poolplayers Association (APA) / Canadian Poolplayers Association (CPA), and the Valley National Eight-ball Association (VNEA, international in scope despite its historic name), use their own rulesets (most of them at least loosely based on the WPA/BCA version), while millions of individuals play informally using colloquial rules which vary not only from area to area but even from venue to venue."
Taken from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-ball

Why do you have a problem with me speaking in the name of other authors as well? The name "Poolkillers" says for itself we act as a group.

Our rules may seem complex to you comparing to the official ones, but it was a damn difficult job to balance it all out and not to leave gaps for exploitation. Don't worry, casual players will only have to adapt to several smaller differences, most of it is pretty much identical.

If we wanted to write a golf manual, I guess we would have to check out the rules first. I'm not aware of any major unofficial golf communities, so there should be only one possible way to make that kind of guide. Situation in 8 Ball is obviously different.

And do you actually think we'd put so much work in this guide just to troll on forums? And you say we're the ones simple minded...
 
Regarding your long-awaited proof:
"Meanwhile, many amateur leagues, such as the American Poolplayers Association (APA) / Canadian Poolplayers Association (CPA), and the Valley National Eight-ball Association (VNEA, international in scope despite its historic name), use their own rulesets (most of them at least loosely based on the WPA/BCA version), while millions of individuals play informally using colloquial rules which vary not only from area to area but even from venue to venue."
Taken from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-ball

Why do you have a problem with me speaking in the name of other authors as well? The name "Poolkillers" says for itself we act as a group.

Our rules may seem complex to you comparing to the official ones, but it was a damn difficult job to balance it all out and not to leave gaps for exploitation. Don't worry, casual players will only have to adapt to several smaller differences, most of it is pretty much identical.

If we wanted to write a golf manual, I guess we would have to check out the rules first. I'm not aware of any major unofficial golf communities, so there should be only one possible way to make that kind of guide. Situation in 8 Ball is obviously different.

And do you actually think we'd put so much work in this guide just to troll on forums? And you say we're the ones simple minded...

I understand that you spent a lot of time making this guide- I really do and I sympathize. I also understand why you are trying to defend it in the face of adversity.

The problem is that your guide has so many holes, is so badly written, is using images of people illegally, and describes incorrect techniques.

I am telling you this as a friend.

The whole basis of your argument is that the guide is written for people who just play pool for fun. I understand that and I understand the need for people to feel like they are making a change in the world.

The problem is that you are basing this whole guide off the fact that most people who play pool to have fun care about your guide or your rules.

Now comes the sticking point:

The fact that the people you wrote the guide for don't care enough to learn more and get better at the game makes the whole thing a catch 22.

No one that doesnt care about pool will read your guide that you spent so much time making. The people who do care enough to learn will think it is stupid because it favors those who have absolutely no skill.

In the end the only people that will read the guide are those who wrote it and those who are already knowledgeable about pool.

Because you wrote it you can bask in the glory that you finished the project and published it to the internet. In the end you won't succeed in convincing anyone on this site about its validity and you will be left thinking we are all wrong and you are the only right one.




There is a psychological explanation for your lack of understanding in the face of our logic however.

I truly believe that you are a narcissist. Now I do not make this statement lightly because it is a true psychological disorder.

Here is a definition of a narcissistic person:

'Narcissism is a group of Personality Disorders in which are a person's long-term (chronic) behaviors, emotions, and thoughts are very different from their culture's expectations and cause serious problems with relationships and work (U.S. National Library of Medicine). '


'Narcissistic personality disorder can be diagnosed when a person has an inflated sense of self-importance coupled with a lack of empathy for others. Individuals with this disorder tend to display an exaggerated sense of their own importance and abilities and tend to fantasize about them. Such persons also have a sense of entitlement, expecting (and taking for granted) special treatment and concessions from others. Paradoxically, individuals with narcissistic personality disorder are generally very insecure and suffer from low self-esteem. (Encyclopedia of mental Disorders)'



Now let me apply that definition to your own sense of being and the guide you have written.



You wrongly think that the way millions of people have played and taught pool for centuries is incorrect. You also believe that many people will read and adopt the rules in your guide.

You do not understand, brush off, ignore, or try to make up logic to counter valid arguments.



While I do not know the extent of your disorder I do not believe that you do well in school. I would venture to say that in most of your classes you believe you know more than the teacher. I also wouldn't be surprised if you dropped out of highschool or didn't go to college.

The fact alone that you took the time with some friends to fantasize and spread the word of your 'knowledge' about pool shows your inability to accept reality.



Now let me help you with your disorder a bit. I believe that you spend your life trying to re-live whatever went wrong at a particular time in your personality development. This event could be a divorce of your parents or it could be a feeling of worthlessness brought on by verbal abuse as a child.

You feel like you need to be something different in order to be loved. This is known as “narcissistic injury” and it devastates the emerging “self.”

You try to compensate for shortcomings by creating a special self – a person who will be loved and admired by all.

Anyone who challenges this false reality you try to put down and you pride your ability to stand by the false reality in the face of adversity.



The problem with people who have this disorder is that they are very hard to treat or even convince they have a problem because they live in a false reality.




Sorry for the long winded post but I thought it needed seeing how he has responded so far.
 
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