I do alot of pool surfing and can't believe I've never found this site till now. http://www.cuecomponents.com/kamuitips.html
New site to me
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That article is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read.
MAP pricing protects the dealers from small Mom and Pop operations low balling and making it harder for profitable companies to carry their products.
It also protects master distributors from smaller companies taking their business for little profit.It also protects the small companies from the larger outfits doing the same low balling to drive them out of the market.
Joe "whatever his name is", is simply upset that Kamui wouldn't dis-regard their relationship with John Bertone and allow him to low ball the market.
John Bertone is one of the most awesome guys that I have ever dealt with. A real mover and shaker. All you have to do is take a minute to google Joe Barringer or Poleo or whatever. It's easy to see what's what.
Numerous U.S. companies use MAP.
Ray
Kamui rocks.
I don't trust criminals.
That's my e-mail to Masato.
This is a cool site too.
http://www.bsi-inc.com/Pages/hobby/hobby.html
I don't trust criminals.
That's my e-mail to Masato.
This is a cool site too.
http://www.bsi-inc.com/Pages/hobby/hobby.html
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Isn't just about everything we buy (map) priced? You just can't advertise the product at a lower price, rite? That doesn't mean you can't sell it cheaper if you want. Depends on how much profit you want to make or how greedy you are. It's funny cause I use kamui black soft on a predator cue & will continue to do so. And I bought my predator cue new for 25% of retail from a friend & seyberts was the cheapist I found for kamui tips. I bought 2 tips for myself & 1 for a buddy (free shipping).
MAP applies to advertised price only. A retailer can sell a product for whatever they want.
One more thing the guy bad mouthing kamui & predator is standing there holding up 2 7ft. Ivory tusks,too sell. Don't get me wrong cause I hunt everything from squirrel to deer,but is that legal?http://www.cuecomponents.com
If they were in this country before CITES? Yes, what difference does that have and MAP or MSRP?
M.S.R.P. meaning Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price. Keyword here is 'suggested' as in they legally can't force a certain price to sell, only suggest one.
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yeah it is legal the ivory Joe (who is the owner of cue components) buys pre ban ivory only!
Yea I researched his site a little more & it's actually a good site alot of interesting & funny stuff. But It looks to me like he's trying to corner the ivory market so he can set the MAP price high...
Pretty interesting article.....
Why would he badmouth another business like that? He didn't like the way Kamui runs their business, he didn't want to follow the rules that Kamui has for its resellers. I guess he shouldn't work with kamui.
Not sure what is so crazy about the way Kamui does business. You can't sell them for less then the msrp if you want to continue to be a reseller.
If I didn't like the way they play I wouldn't put them on my cue. I really like the tips and have no problem with their cost. They last a long time, and are a good value in my opinion.
If you ever have a quality problem with one of your Kamuis (I haven't had one yet) I have heard that they are more than willing to try and fix the problem. They are very interested in having happy customers of their product.
If they are too expensive don't buy them you will be happier with another tip.
Dudley
I play with a Kamui Black Super Soft on a predator 314-2---> I have never been happier with the way my cue plays.
Why would he badmouth another business like that? He didn't like the way Kamui runs their business, he didn't want to follow the rules that Kamui has for its resellers. I guess he shouldn't work with kamui.
Not sure what is so crazy about the way Kamui does business. You can't sell them for less then the msrp if you want to continue to be a reseller.
If I didn't like the way they play I wouldn't put them on my cue. I really like the tips and have no problem with their cost. They last a long time, and are a good value in my opinion.
If you ever have a quality problem with one of your Kamuis (I haven't had one yet) I have heard that they are more than willing to try and fix the problem. They are very interested in having happy customers of their product.
If they are too expensive don't buy them you will be happier with another tip.
Dudley
I play with a Kamui Black Super Soft on a predator 314-2---> I have never been happier with the way my cue plays.
He has been talked about for years on this forum an others. You mentioned the picture with the elephant tusks and so does the following article: http://www.news-journalonline.com/news/local/southeast-volusia/2010/10/29/new-smyrna-man-pleads-guilty-to-ivory-trading.html
You be the judge...
You be the judge...
That's More interesting,wonder if he payed MAP price for the Cubans??? Do you happen to know what his final sentance was?
I think most business agreements involve a contract of some sort. Agreements requiring the use of MAPs usually have language thatreferences a minimum selling point.
But its only wrong if you get caught.
Not always, it depends on the agreement with the manufacturer. Apple iPods are a good example. Notice you never see anyone selling them lower than the MAP price? (Besides the fact that there is next to no profit in them, though that's never stopped discounters from dropping prices on items before...) Apple catches you selling them below MAP, they stop selling them to you.
It can be applied to "advertised" price only, but it might be more than that that, as well... Only those who deal with that manufacturer really know.
Read my above post, you CAN sell them for less, hence the S is for suggested, meaning the wholesaler can't force you to sell for a set minimum price.
There is lies the rub, I bet there is a violation or grey area manipulation being used.
It seems the use of antitrust laws can allow certain markets (I couldn't find out which ones in my quickie search) can price fix. IMHO it's archaic for anyone to use that this day and age. With everyone on the internet no one has a market area to sell to. If Joe Blow is selling predator shafts for $200 and I'm doing the same because I have no choice why should I even bother to carry it in the first place. I'd be more inclined to carry a competitive product that allows me to sell at a lower price than predator. It to me sounds like just a bunch of antitrust game playing. I'll keep digging into this a bit.
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Again, look at Ping golf clubs. They set a minimum selling price and will check on retailers. They send spies into stores to verify prices and sometimes will try to haggle the price. If you sell to them less than their minimum price, they pull all their product from your store and you are put on "probation". They have been doing this forever, and it is widely known. If they were breaking any laws that policy would have been changed by now.