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boyersj

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Hi everyone,

I am in the market for a pool table, about to move into a home that I can finally have my first table. I would like to know if anyone in the southern indiana area would be interested in having a discussion about moving a table. I am trying to determine my budget for this setup. I know that I could buy a new diamond and have it moved here, but its really out of the price range. I have noticed quite a few olhausens that are used in the region and wonder how comparable an olhausen would play to a diamond pro-am. I don't want to regret the purchase, and I want something that is going to look nice (will be in a highly visible room) as well as play good too. Most of the tables in Evansville are now diamond so I know that is probably the best route, but also being a first time new home owner I need to be mindful of my budget and then have to sell the table because "something came up".

Anyhow thanks for any and all feedback!
 
Regarding Olheusen's lineup, I've only played on their Champion Pro series. They play nice, are built well, more affordable than Diamonds, but to me they seem too plastic-ee. It's a commercial, durable table, but not what I'd want to see in my house. Can't go wrong with a Diamond Pro (and I'd skip the ProAm or Smart series because of that big black lower unit that cosmetically flaws what otherwise is the perfect table. If I were you, I'd be patient and find a used Diamond Pro that comes with the 9ft lamp assembly for a few thousand less than brand new. :thumbup:
 
Sounds like you're not a Gold Crown fan, but I bought a used Gold Crown two years ago for about $1200 and I have been very happy with it. I've played on Diamonds and GC I and IIs and I like them both but slightly prefer the way the GCs play.

Main reason is since the Diamonds haven't been around as long and the better Diamonds are the newer ones (they changed the rails to make them bank truer) it will be much easier to find a good used GC at a good price than a used Diamond.
 
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Get something you're happy with. I know that sounds simple, but if you want a Diamond, hold out for a Diamond. Olhausen does make a nice table too in my opinion for a lower price in general.

For moving the table, try Jack (JZMechanix). He's in southern Indiana and does great work. He can help point you in the right direction and is a great guy to deal with.
 
Thank you for the feedback. I find the Olhausen (currently looking at the Santa Anna) would "fit" in the room better, it has a classier "home appeal" than the commercial tables. I do not feel the GC would fit the home, and the lady of the house has a bit of a visual appeal requirement which I feel is reasonable. The diamonds do have a bit of classiness especially with the matching light, so I will likely be patient for that but my curiosity is more along the lines, that can I get a more decorative tables, such as the Olhausen Santa Anna, to play comparable to the widely popular diamond. It appears there is some neoprine shimming that can be done to achieve this to a degree based on further exploration.

One thing I haven't been able to find is where I can purchase new "accu-fast" rails, as I believe that would be very important since it is used and with new rails, level slate, modified pockets, and new 860... I could be happy with the table's play and she will be happy with the tables appearance.

Thanks again, and please continue to comment as I learn the in's and out's of being a table owner!
 
For moving the table, try Jack (JZMechanix). He's in southern Indiana and does great work. He can help point you in the right direction and is a great guy to deal with.

Josh,
I appreciate the referral, but Evansville is out of my service area :(
It's just not cost effective enough for me to drive nearly 400 miles one way to set up 1 table. Maybe someone else is in the area that can help?
 
Any decent quality table can be made every bit as enjoyable and playable as a diamond or gold crown with new rubber, new pockets, simonis cloth or similar, and quality pro setup. Be prepared to spend 1k just to do all that, and keep in mind the final play quality is only as good as the skill and attention to detail the technician puts into it, so don't cheap out on your average mechanic if you want it to play like the best tables you've ever played on or you'll be seriously disapointed.

You won't need to purchase the rails your mechanic should, same with everything else. I'm sure he'll get a better price than you can anyway. It's not a diy project. It could be I guess, if you didn't want it to turn out perfect or weren't very picky.


It would probably cost you more to buy and then fix up a furniture type olhausen to play like a new diamond, than it would be to find the right diamond used but still fresh and already up to snuff. If there are pro tournaments near you, like at indian casinos or whatever any time during the year you can often buy those slightly used diamond tables at very good prices when the tournaments are over.

I don't know why someone on here dissed the pro-am and said the black legs aren't attractive. I seriously love the look of the pro-am. I think it looks more "money" than the professional which looks more consumer.
Some seem to think it looks like a coin-op, but they must have been raised around some seriously beautiful coin ops.
 
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...the lady of the house has a bit of a visual appeal requirement which I feel is reasonable. The diamonds do have a bit of classiness especially with the matching light ...

Diamond also makes home-style tables - in case you were unaware.
 
Sorry, Boyersj, I thought Jack was closer to you. When the time comes, if you're unable to find someone closer, let me know. We're in Dayton, Ohio, but we do travel fairly often. Good luck in your table search!
 
I don't know why someone on here dissed the pro-am and said the black legs aren't attractive. I seriously love the look of the pro-am. I think it looks more "money" than the professional which looks more consumer.
Some seem to think it looks like a coin-op, but they must have been raised around some seriously beautiful coin ops.

ha ha it was me (Goldcrown4) ... it's just my opinion... they play perfectly but I just don't like that big black thing under there for both cosmetic reasons, and the fact that I always feel like my legs/knees are going to press up against it when down in a stance (don't have the same freedom of movement). IMHO, there shouldn't be so much bulk under what is otherwise a perfect pool table. I've shot league on the Diamond Pro's, and hit plenty of balls on ProAm/Smarts and if given a choice between the two for a home at the same price? the diamond pro wins hands down.
 
Haha cool, I didn't realize it was you gc4. My local place just got pro-am's, they're pretty to me especially considering the bog standard coin ops they replaced. But one huge issue they traded out all those fun to play on 8' coin ops with 7' pro-ams. I hate 7' tables.

Speaking of gc4 op, don't forget the beauty and playability of the antique brunswicks like anniversary's or earlier since you said gold crown tables were too industrial or not "wife friendly" enough. A lot more of them are hitting the market at good prices than ever before and they're not a bad investment to sink $1k into fixing up either.

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Thank you all for the feedback. I have done additional research and decided to go ahead with the olhausen purchase for a couple reasons. I talked to a local mechanic and they can "face" the pockets to get really good comparable play to the diamond. The rails are lifetime and if the need to be replaced, it will not cost anything. The cloth is going to run about $250 and I can move the table myself with my soon to be brother-in-laws trailer. I think the rail work will be a couple hundred and I got the table for $1,000. So I believe I will be in and out for something around $1,500 - $1700 (dependng on how much the mechanic will charge to cloth/level/railwork). The diamond even used was going to be into the 4k range. I found a pretty interesting video on a light on youtube that I can modify the design to match my room.

Table can be seen in my updated avatar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSlW78ZvPVk

I figure the 2k+ cost avoidance and should get a pretty nice result I can spend towards nice stuff for the room, for some premium balls, the X-1 cleaner, and other such nice items that will make the room feel complete, and any accessories that will make it a great room!
 
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Thank you all for the feedback. I have done additional research and decided to go ahead with the olhausen purchase for a couple reasons. I talked to a local mechanic and they can "face" the pockets to get really good comparable play to the diamond. The rails are lifetime and if the need to be replaced, it will not cost anything. The cloth is going to run about $250 and I can move the table myself with my soon to be brother-in-laws trailer. I think the rail work will be a couple hundred and I got the table for $1,000. So I believe I will be in and out for something around $1,500 - $1700 (dependng on how much the mechanic will charge to cloth/level/railwork). The diamond even used was going to be into the 4k range. I found a pretty interesting video on a light on youtube that I can modify the design to match my room.

Table can be seen in my updated avatar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSlW78ZvPVk

I figure the 2k+ cost avoidance and should get a pretty nice result I can spend towards nice stuff for the room, for some premium balls, the X-1 cleaner, and other such nice items that will make the room feel complete, and any accessories that will make it a great room!

My advice, let the mechanic also move the table. If they are decent, they should be insured just in case something would happen while transporting the table. You're going to pay them to install/level it anyway. It shouldn't be that much more for them to tear-down and move it as well. Cheaper than replacing a dropped piece of slate anyway.

Also, find out what they mean by "face" the pockets and how that will make it comparable to a Diamond. If they are stacking facings, or double or triple shimming, they're not doing it right.

Also, you want to make sure that your rubber is Accu-Fast rubber. Non-Accu-Fast is not a lifetime rubber. The head rail nameplate will say Accu-Fast if the table has it. For clarification, although the warranty would cover the cost of the Accu-Fast replacement if it ever goes bad, that warranty is not transferable from the original owner, and the work would still have to be completed by an Olhausen authorized mechanic.

Just some details to think about. If you're satisfied with those things, that can be a great looking/playing table that I'm sure you and the wife will be very happy with.

If you have any questions about what I mentioned, feel free to call or PM me.

Congrats on your purchase!
 
Hey just wanted to update anyone who followed this thread, I got the table home today. The Santa Anna is an EXTREMELY easy table to disassemble. My mechanic was not really available when the seller was available. Blazer + Trailer + 2 hrs + travel = cake. No damage done (I am quite tedious when hauling so I probably over-protected). I will be in and out for what I expected and before tearing apart was quite pleased with how it plays so I should have it set up and ready for play in less than 2 weeks due to the move, new carpet, etc.

I have recovered and move several older Brunswick (non gold crowns) and am highly impressed with the construction and ease of assembly of this table. I had it in pieces within 20 minutes after determining how it was assembled. The time was in the packing with bubble wrap and carrying up the stairs.

Cheers!
 
Cool they're not a bad table by any means.

But how is 20 minutes even possible? You must have removed the cloth with scizzors or a knife, skipped all the staples, not had to dig screws out from under putty or bondo, and had some power tools.

That's cheating. :D
 
I had this table for a while:

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The construction was much like a Gold Crown (slate and cabinet wise but the pockets had irons not castings.

The Brunswick specs were as follows:

9 Pro options (50" x 100" Playfield)
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Slate: 3 pc. 1" framed |Length (in): 113.3
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Width (in): 63.25 |Weight (lbs): 1212
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Leg Center |Leg Center
Length (in): |Width (in):
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Color Options: Oak, Mahogany
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Similar to: Prestige Oak
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Technical Information: : From the 1986 Brunswick Billiards Prestige sell
sheet:

Dramatic furniture styling, solid Brazilian cherry construction and
superior craftsmanship are elegantly joined in the Prestige, making it one
of the finest billiard tables available today.

Solid Brazilian cherry rails, aprons and legs feature an 11-step antique
cherry finish providing extraordinary woodgrain depth and clarity.
Leather covered three-iron pockets feature antique finished metal trim and
genuine leather nets.

Three-piece precision ground one-inch framed slate provides a permanent
level playing surface. Professional quality 100% wool billiard cloth
assures professional playability.

SUPERS SPEED® cushions, the standard in the industry, are canvas-backed to
provide optimum playing accuracy and rebound consistency. Brass-finished
stretchers accent the leg assemblies.

The Prestige is available in 8 and 9-foot models in traditional pocket
style only.

Also available with solid wood stretchers.

Finish: Attractive, rich, antique cherry furniture finish.

Construction: Solid Brazilian cherry construction provides superior
strength and rigidity. All wood is kiln-dried and stress relieved to
resist warping.

Base Frame: Base frame is composed of two full-length side beams and four
cross support beams made of solid hardwood. All wood is stress relieved
for maximum strength.

Rails: Solid Brazilian cherry rails are supported by and bolted through
the slate for maximum rigidity. The floating nut plate design allows
rails to be precisely positioned and permanently pulled down to the slate.

Cushions: SUPER SPEED® canvas-backed cushions, the standard of the
industry, provide true ball rebound and roll.

Sights: Brass finished inlaid sights have a maximum tolerance of 30/1000
of an inch for accurate play.

Cloth: Cloth is optional; however Brunswick recommends a professional
quality 100% wool billiard cloth to assure excellent playability.

Pockets: All pocket openings made to exacting industry standards.
Leather-covered three-iron pockets with antique finish and genuine leather
nets.

Bed: Three-piece precision-ground, one-inch full-sized slate is
precision-machined, level to within 10/1000 of an inch and extend beneath
the rails for consistent playability.

Machine nuts and bolts are used for maximum stability.

Last published manufacturer suggested retail price for the Prestige:
January 2, 2002
Mahogany: MSRP, 8', $8,249.00
Oak: MSRP, 8', $7,999.00

Mahogany: MSRP, 9', $8,999
Oak: MSRP, 9', $8,649
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Manual: (See attached file: Prestige Oak FM 1982.pdf)
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It was a nice change from claw feet on the legs and it was more furniture like and less commercial than Gold Crown and Olhausen offerings and I bought this table for $1,700. and when I sold it I recovered all of my professional moving, setup and new Simonis expense
 
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Cool they're not a bad table by any means.

But how is 20 minutes even possible? You must have removed the cloth with scizzors or a knife, skipped all the staples, not had to dig screws out from under putty or bondo, and had some power tools.

That's cheating. :D

A 20 minute Olhausen tear-down is easy. They have a very simplistic design as far as hardware and parts go. It makes it nice, because there's less to go wrong. For local moves, we can usually have them torn down correctly and loaded in the van in 30-35 minutes, including pulling all the staples and marking the slate and frame for when it goes back together. Very easy tables to work on.
 
I had my step son to assist and also the seller of the table. I used a drill with a socket adapter for the 1/2" socket head for the rail bolts (18 and about 30s per rail)

Then a cordless screw driver to remove the 2 bolts per pocket that keep the pocket intact (great design I feel, and being an engineer that means something :)

The felt was not removed with scissors and staples were pulled out with a screwdriver. Im telling you it was honestly just that easy :)

I cant wait to assemble it and get it ready to play next week!
 
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