Newbies can say what they want
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I think people should be free to post what they want when they want. I do think it is a good idea for a newbie to get a feel for the members and the context for what they say before engaging. But certainly not a requirement. I travel to pool tournaments across the country for calcuttas and always like to talk and drink with the locals and get to know them before we gamble and insult each other.
I think people should be free to post what they want when they want. I do think it is a good idea for a newbie to get a feel for the members and the context for what they say before engaging. But certainly not a requirement. I travel to pool tournaments across the country for calcuttas and always like to talk and drink with the locals and get to know them before we gamble and insult each other.
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27,000 posts can't be wrong...what could she do in her free time? Make minute rice and frozen burritos for every meal?
To be fair, occasionally we get a real troll who delights in nothing more than creating strife here, and as such, we have the restrictions on new posters. I don't disagree with that.
Beyond that, I don't have a big issue with how long a person has been here. Yes, it does become obvious after a few posts as to whether the poster maintains an AZB account to merely stir the $hit or not. And it does become an inconvenience to suffer that, for however long it lasts, but usually Mr. Wilson lays out the Kabong on them after a short while....
Beyond that, I don't have a big issue with how long a person has been here. Yes, it does become obvious after a few posts as to whether the poster maintains an AZB account to merely stir the $hit or not. And it does become an inconvenience to suffer that, for however long it lasts, but usually Mr. Wilson lays out the Kabong on them after a short while....
What a way to start my day.
I may be on a downward slide for you, but you aren't exactly on my bucket list of people I need to satisfy.
I come to this forum to discuss pool. If people take potshots at me, kind of like what you're doing now, I reply. I have contributed a great deal of pool content to this forum in the past 10 years, as well as contributed funds to pool-worthy causes in an effort to promote pool.
The climate on AzBilliards has changed. It isn't just me, though. It has changed for a lot of folks who have ceased posting. Believe it or not, I used to be one of the good guys, but today not so much, thanks to the recent campaign to post about "JAM" at every turn, at every post I make, all because I stated my disdain for an avatar of a scantily clad woman. For some, this recent Bash JAM Campaign is a game, a pastime during the day. As many posts as I've made, they have made just as many, if not more in my absence. If I don't post, I'm told I must be at a doctor's appointment. If I do post, every word is dissected and twisted to mean something else. If I defend the accusations made against me, if I dare to reply, kind of like I am now with this post, it is said that I am trying to play the "victim." If all else fails, then they go after Keith with mean-spirited comments.
Because I call somebody out for a first post condeming InsidePOOL's commentator, it is an opportunity to condemn me. In my 10 years of being a member here, I have never experienced hate as much as recently, but this time I am on the receiving end. Everything else I have tried to do in the past 10 years to effect a change for the better is forgotten. Of course, most of you weren't even members then, I guess.
AzBilliards used to make me feel good. I enjoyed it, but not so much anymore. And when something doesn't make me feel good anymore, well, it's time to move on. Life is just too short to subject one's self to hurt and/or anger. I have tears going down my face now as I write this, but that's what happens when you get old. You cry at the drop of a hat sometimes. :embarrassed2:
I have a new job that will prevent me from reading AzBilliards as much, so maybe that's a good thing for me and for you. Some of you have chased me down and pummeled me with your posts to let me know exactly what you think of me. In essence, you have literally stabbed my heart. I might be wounded today, but I will survive.
Of course, newbies should be encouraged to post. I never said they shouldn't, but I did point out that a brand-new poster joined yesterday for the sole purpose to bash InsidePOOL's commentary of a match. If it was a new member posting about any other pool-related topic under the sun, I would never have pointed it out. The fact that they join to only bash this match to me seemed suspect, and I stated it as such.
I only wish I had known beforehand about this recent turn of events before I paid for my gold membership. :grin-square:
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I would think most folks lurk initially or read as a non-member before jumping in. I vote for posting priviledges from the get-go. That said, it's often better to remain silent (not post) and be thought a fool than to open your mouth (post) and remove all doubt. If a newby is an idiot, it will be apparent from day one.
Ah, I knew the Swan Song was a coming. Didn't you say the exact same thing on your last exit, stage right?
Seriously, if you want to blame a couple of posts in the last couple of days, feel free.
I believe that the posters that have finally spoken their true feelings about you have been holding it back for some time. You generally don't generate that much dislike for a person in just two days. Its taken a while for the birds to come home to roost, thats all.
They just got tired of you Prancercising about the board pretending that you're better than anyone else. Being the Forum Police, branding people as Haters and Trolls at your will. Pretty simple if you care to think about it. Your above post with all your throw it in your face self accomplishments doesn't buy you a pass to treat others like crap.
In a couple of months, someone will mention your name and you will pop back within 5 minutes as par usual with your, "I'm Back Routine".
Of course, you have a vendetta against me because I posted on this forum for Jimmy Reid. You've been pounding away at me ever since, at every turn.
You may think there are many people who dislike me, but I do have some friends on this forum as well, believe it or not. I don't treat all others like crap, but I will reply to those who treat me like crap. And that's you.
This isn't a swan song, by any means, but you took the opportunity to rip apart my post, just as predicted.
Do you really believe that is was just the Jimmy Reid post?
Tate took a time out for you. Myself, along with others also went to bat for you over the Texas Scramble. I wish I hadn't because since then I really found out the type of person that you really are. Oh well, thats one more regret that I can add to my list. No biggy.
Tate took a time out for you. Myself, along with others also went to bat for you over the Texas Scramble. I wish I hadn't because since then I really found out the type of person that you really are. Oh well, thats one more regret that I can add to my list. No biggy.
You've had a hard-on for anyone who posted about Jimmy Reid. Let's not kid yourself. It wasn't just me.
Do you mean when I was called the C word?
Where I come from, people don't call others vulgar names like that in public, but I guess things are different on AzBilliards. Women can be called C words, and it's okay to post pictures of half-naked women on this forum for all to gawk at. I get it now. No biggy.
My only regret is giving you fodder this morning for your enjoyment.
Nah, you don't know me. I really didn't enjoy posting what I did.
It was the truth about how I feel and needed to be said. Nothing more, nothing less.
Nope, no enjoyment there.
It was the truth about how I feel and needed to be said. Nothing more, nothing less.
Nope, no enjoyment there.
I was wondering if that thread was what started this one. For the record, there's something to be said for making a good first impression. (That guy failed so bad that I guessed his was the thread that inspired this one!)
That dude has every right to his opinion and every right to voice that opinion. Just like everyone else around here. And if my opinion is that new posters should at least try to make a decent first impression instead of just starting a new thread to insult people, then so be it. As is it, first posts that just makes it easier to identify who not to bother reading.
So why do you feel that person X is permitted to post whatever they want but person Y needs to hold their tongue?
I understand both points of view I guess. Personally - I lurked long before I made a post, and still do just that. I read everything, and post very seldom. I guess half of that can be accredited to not wanting to be shut down by the "forum policia". The other half I accredit to my own intelligence, and not wanting to sound like a moron.
I do believe a little bit of intelligence can go a long way. Before I post a question, or comment that has been made a zillion times, I would much rather read, search and investigate. If my answer is already in front of me, I have no reason to ask it again.
With that said, some people are a little "slow" on the uptake of technological advances I guess, and may not understand all the different functions/ lay of the land of an internet forum. Less harsh responses to the "new people" would be a positive thing. Let the community grow instead of closing the doors before they are even inside.
The one thing that gets me the most is when there is an argument going on, and someone posts an outside opinion and gets blasted for it. That's just hypocritical when they have every little friend posting on their behalf. Then they throw out the classic response of "Don't read it", "Don't post if you don't like it" ect. (which I have seen happen in the thread referred to here, and this one) - Which again is hypocritical to the max. It's a public forum for a reason. If people don't want the world involved, go away.
I do not belive throwing JAM under the bus in the original post was the correct move though...could of been much more subtle.
String me up...
I do believe a little bit of intelligence can go a long way. Before I post a question, or comment that has been made a zillion times, I would much rather read, search and investigate. If my answer is already in front of me, I have no reason to ask it again.
With that said, some people are a little "slow" on the uptake of technological advances I guess, and may not understand all the different functions/ lay of the land of an internet forum. Less harsh responses to the "new people" would be a positive thing. Let the community grow instead of closing the doors before they are even inside.
The one thing that gets me the most is when there is an argument going on, and someone posts an outside opinion and gets blasted for it. That's just hypocritical when they have every little friend posting on their behalf. Then they throw out the classic response of "Don't read it", "Don't post if you don't like it" ect. (which I have seen happen in the thread referred to here, and this one) - Which again is hypocritical to the max. It's a public forum for a reason. If people don't want the world involved, go away.
I do not belive throwing JAM under the bus in the original post was the correct move though...could of been much more subtle.
String me up...
I agree with you, but I don't think people from Wisconsin should be allowed to post.
I mean, what could a cheesehead have to say that would be worth reading?
Fooled you! I'm actually from Illinois, but the pool scene is better in Wisconsin. Wisconsin State tourney's get 300+ teams. Illinois gets maybe 50.
What a way to start my day.
I may be on a downward slide for you, but you aren't exactly on my bucket list of people I need to satisfy.
I come to this forum to discuss pool. If people take potshots at me, kind of like what you're doing now, I reply. I have contributed a great deal of pool content to this forum in the past 10 years, as well as contributed funds to pool-worthy causes in an effort to promote pool.
The climate on AzBilliards has changed. It isn't just me, though. It has changed for a lot of folks who have ceased posting. Believe it or not, I used to be one of the good guys, but today not so much, thanks to the recent campaign to post about "JAM" at every turn, at every post I make, all because I stated my disdain for an avatar of a scantily clad woman. For some, this recent Bash JAM Campaign is a game, a pastime during the day. As many posts as I've made, they have made just as many, if not more in my absence. If I don't post, I'm told I must be at a doctor's appointment. If I do post, every word is dissected and twisted to mean something else. If I defend the accusations made against me, if I dare to reply, kind of like I am now with this post, it is said that I am trying to play the "victim." If all else fails, then they go after Keith with mean-spirited comments.
Because I call somebody out for a first post condeming InsidePOOL's commentator, it is an opportunity to condemn me. In my 10 years of being a member here, I have never experienced hate as much as recently, but this time I am on the receiving end. Everything else I have tried to do in the past 10 years to effect a change for the better is forgotten. Of course, most of you weren't even members then, I guess.
AzBilliards used to make me feel good. I enjoyed it, but not so much anymore. And when something doesn't make me feel good anymore, well, it's time to move on. Life is just too short to subject one's self to hurt and/or anger. I have tears going down my face now as I write this, but that's what happens when you get old. You cry at the drop of a hat sometimes. :embarrassed2:
I have a new job that will prevent me from reading AzBilliards as much, so maybe that's a good thing for me and for you. Some of you have chased me down and pummeled me with your posts to let me know exactly what you think of me. In essence, you have literally stabbed my heart. I might be wounded today, but I will survive.
Of course, newbies should be encouraged to post. I never said they shouldn't, but I did point out that a brand-new poster joined yesterday for the sole purpose to bash InsidePOOL's commentary of a match. If it was a new member posting about any other pool-related topic under the sun, I would never have pointed it out. The fact that they join to only bash this match to me seemed suspect, and I stated it as such.
I only wish I had known beforehand about this recent turn of events before I paid for my gold membership. :grin-square:
JAM,
I hope you don't include me as one of the haters. I did mention you in the post, but just as ONE example of bashing new members. I mentioned this was not a JAM hater thread, just wanted to know what people thought of new members and their rights.
I am a hater of nobody on this site. It is all just words. Some I agree with, some I don't. I think everyone has some good things they post, and some bad things they post.
People recognize Trolls pretty quickly around here. Some decide to ignore (not respond) quickly, and others take the bait. I just don't think new=troll or uninformed. I do understand the value of a good 1st impression though.
I agree completely Krupa. A good first impression is important in all forms of communication. The poster could have posted the exact same subject in a more classy form and gotten his point across.
So he is a newbie, posted his thoughts in his manner, and started out with a less than stellar reputation to some because of his style.
In every other walk of life. New at work, new in a group. If someone spouts off about something on their first day, not too many people will stand up and say "Shut up newbie, you haven't earned the right to talk yet".
i know i haven't been around THIS forum very long but youll bicker about some stupid stuff. like this topic or the JB/justis thing or the ive had this shooting system longer than youve been alive. and yes new guy can be quite uninformed but who cares ill just ignore a thread for a while until its gotten so far off topic its a trip to read. its just like the saying opinions are like "insert your word here" everyone has one. and some times it stinks.
Well, it seems veterans can say what they want and then just get the thread deleted...
Shame, because I had some arguing all lubed up to fire off about not shaking hands.
Shame, because I had some arguing all lubed up to fire off about not shaking hands.
Unfortunately, what many newbs fail to acknowledge, or choose to ignore, is the fact that a forum like this is like a long running party. Some of us have known each other for years going back a decade or two, even met at tournaments or when visiting other cities and pool rooms, or at get togethers like the old RSB events or the AZ Room at the DCC.
There are cliques, people who like each other, others that avoid each other. Some people are serious and intellectual, others funny or silly, there are the players, the raconteurs, some are gamblers, others are not, there are players and some who don’t even play much but enjoy the game. There are people from all walks of life and all different incomes and varying degrees of education. And, there are people who, for a wide variety of reasons have earned the respect of most everyone at the party. BUT regardless, it is a long standing gathering of friends. Everyone knows everyone else.
And then a new guy comes into the room.
He doesn’t know who is who, or what is what, and has not made any contribution to the festivities. But he spouts off like he knows everything, insults people that have been around for years and have contributed to the fun, and occasionally disrespects members of the community whom almost everyone knows and likes. And, just like at a real party everyone turns and looks at the new guy and wonders who the loud mouthed, uncouth idiot is.
So yes, just like that guy, you can come into the party, say what you want to whom you want, but you are still being *that guy.* And everyone will know it and label you as the rude bastard that made a spectacle of themselves and forever more discount... pretty much everything you have to say in the future.
Stay a while. Learn who is who and what is what. Contribute to the party, become known without getting out of line, and respect the traditions and relationships that exist within the group.
IOW, don't be "that guy."
Lou Figueroa
There are cliques, people who like each other, others that avoid each other. Some people are serious and intellectual, others funny or silly, there are the players, the raconteurs, some are gamblers, others are not, there are players and some who don’t even play much but enjoy the game. There are people from all walks of life and all different incomes and varying degrees of education. And, there are people who, for a wide variety of reasons have earned the respect of most everyone at the party. BUT regardless, it is a long standing gathering of friends. Everyone knows everyone else.
And then a new guy comes into the room.
He doesn’t know who is who, or what is what, and has not made any contribution to the festivities. But he spouts off like he knows everything, insults people that have been around for years and have contributed to the fun, and occasionally disrespects members of the community whom almost everyone knows and likes. And, just like at a real party everyone turns and looks at the new guy and wonders who the loud mouthed, uncouth idiot is.
So yes, just like that guy, you can come into the party, say what you want to whom you want, but you are still being *that guy.* And everyone will know it and label you as the rude bastard that made a spectacle of themselves and forever more discount... pretty much everything you have to say in the future.
Stay a while. Learn who is who and what is what. Contribute to the party, become known without getting out of line, and respect the traditions and relationships that exist within the group.
IOW, don't be "that guy."
Lou Figueroa
Nice post Lou. You are completely correct in your analogy. And if it is a newbie with no value to add, or the wrong type of delivery, they will be "that guy". And everyone will know it.
And it goes both ways, you can come in and add value and quickly be accepted into the "party".
I just think they need the opportunity to be either guy. If people don't like their posts, that will speak volumes without having to say "you're new, you're not allowed to have an opinion".