Nine Ball UK Open.

telinoz said:
Interesting

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Yeah, was interesting.
Wonder if they will come up with something to make it harder to pocket balls from the break? Or how about you only get to stay at the table if you pot 2 or more balls - not just 1? Wonder what the stats are. Potting only 1 ball compared to 2 or more?

She said they are well aware that it wasn't available on DAZN in the USA and they worked as fast as they could to give the free Facebook option. Which they then had issues with because music was being played in the background which got them blocked! They solved this by getting the DJ in the arena to only play copyright-free music in the background.

I like that Emily Frazer addresses issues in (what appear to be) unscripted interviews. 'whatever' was a screw up because of... we did 'this' to try and resolve it. Quite refreshing to hear about the issues in a video interview. Not some generic press release like so many other companies hide behind.
 
telinoz said:
Filler carving his name into the all time great list in quick fashion.
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It is a shame that we are missing the potential Filler- Gorst rivalry...Hard to say Gorst was/is not playing at Filler's level before the ban on Russian athletes.
 
Island Drive said:
Indeterminate split hit....players call.....can you explain players call?

Chronological reference....What does that mean?

Appears to..... do you mean appears 100% or less? I don't understand, can you explain?
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Just trying to keep it short. Pretty simple actually.

Player's call - the player gets the call.

Rail or ball:
Since the rail hit involves many millimeters and cloth fluff, it's not as determinate as ball to ball contact. Therefore attempts to order the chronology of the hits ie. the actual time of respective occurrences of rail to ball and ball to ball contact, without more sophisticated monitoring.

In the usage of the word "appears" since I'm implying scientific measurements are required to determine the actual time and sequence of hits, I can only say it looks like the ball starts rail induced spin _after_ the 3 ball moves.

Sorry I'm in a vocab kinda mood lol...
 
Thx, but the ref called it, then he looked at the video, to confirm his first decision on ball movements.

Me and Many others did not see a ''ball/rail/ball'' cue ball.
I saw rail/ball/ball.
With the cb probably being heavier than the obj. balls, with the cue ball still having some inside ball movement, and the obj. balls being more worn/dirty, refs decision/outcome was as called.

I've never seen a snooker match or any PRO match that had a referee overseeing the match.....allow the player/players make the call.
 
Honestly, at this point what else can they do to control the break in 9 ball? How many years have promoters, players and others spent trying to minimize the break in this game? At this level, it is almost impossible and we have to just live with it.

maybe it's why I said this event was ridiculously boring to me. but it's the pro game of choice. 🤷‍♂️
 
OverTheNut said:
,,, Wonder if they will come up with something to make it harder to pocket balls from the break? Or how about you only get to stay at the table if you pot 2 or more balls - not just 1? Wonder what the stats are. Potting only 1 ball compared to 2 or more? ...
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For the matches I tracked in the 3 most recent Matchroom events (combined), all with extremely high percentages of successful breaks, 2 or more balls were pocketed about 1½ times as often as just 1 ball.
 
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AtLarge said:
I think Emily Frazer also expressed some worry about the boring nature of the break. So maybe Matchroom will really do something there.
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I'm cool for it, but what can be done? Break box? 3 point rule which was in use by accustats but now is gone with the next international open because the spectators and players both hated it. 9 ball on the spot? This is just the nature of this game and has been like that for however long 9 ball has been the pro game of choice.

Regardless, it's a wait and see thing for me.
 
pt109 said:
I suggested years ago, break box….middle of the end rail, one diamond square.
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Yes, that would change things. Similar things have been done, but with the small break box extending up to the head string instead of being limited to 1 diamond from the head rail.

2013 Mosconi Cup -- They used a centered break box about 12" wide, with the 9-ball on the foot spot. Successful breaks were 33%, the breaking side won 44% of the games, and B&Rs were 10% (5% excluding games in which the 9-ball was made on the break). Those results were a bit extreme.

2014-2017 US Open 9-Ball Championship -- They used a centered break box about 9" on each side of the long string, with the 9-ball on the foot spot. Successful breaks were in the 50s and 60s (percentages), the breaker-win rate in the 50s, and B&Rs in the 20s. Not bad results.

But I imagine your suggestion was with the 1-ball on the spot? Have you ever tried it in tournaments in Canada?
 
They have it the way the majority of the fans want it. Fast moving action.

There was a poll here about the alternating the break and the majority here
wanted winner breaks because they like to see the string of racks.

Hey here is an idea make them break with a smaller cue ball! lol
 
kling&allen said:
Matchroom is great but I have to think the US market is not part of their business plan. It seemed a non event that DAZN fails almost every tournament and Matchroom has to give away their product on Facebook to US customers instead of collecting streaming revenue.

Maybe only 200 of us in the United States tried to watch it?
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What I don't understand if why MR chose Facebook instead of Youtube. Facebook recently provides access only to registered users (used to be free to unrestricted view/read, unless set otherwise by the page owner), while Youtube is mostly accessible for everyone. To me sticking to Facebook just limits the audience, and pretty much.
During the UK Open I tried to pay attention to the numbers both on Fb and Yt, and Youtube was almost all the way higher, at times twice as many (like 5K vs 2K). And mind you, Youtube had no commentary. So I was thinking what was Table 2 for the preliminary stage (and showed on Youtube) should have actually been Table 1, due to much higher interest worldwide.

telinoz said:
2 tournaments in a row this site has been utter dogsh$#
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I'm puzzled what made MR switch from Cuescore in favor of Digitalpool brackets. Like I said during the 9-Ball Worlds, the latter are pretty nice but seem to be too hard to use for big fields like 128 and 256, long to load and sometimes not easy to navigate. That said, not like Digitalpool is that bad but Cuescore seemed pretty much perfect.
Looks like it turns into a brand feature of MR, dealing with some troublesome things like DAZN and now a bracket service.

telinoz said:
Filler carving his name into the all time great list in quick fashion.
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Pity for Joshi he will have to wait 17 years to be eligible for HoF induction ☺️
 
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1. Assign a number to each intersection (21 total)
2. Have the refs use an RNG app on their phones to randomly select a number 1-21
3. Place the lowest numbered ball on the table after the break on that number
 
BeiberLvr said:
1. Assign a number to each intersection (21 total)
2. Have the refs use an RNG app on their phones to randomly select a number 1-21
3. Place the lowest numbered ball on the table after the break on that number
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Clusters would be a rarity, no fun. And even if RNG allows for clusters to appear, how do you set them up? Oriented north, south, or else?

I like the bucket break better :) For real.
 
AtLarge said:
Yes, that would change things. Similar things have been done, but with the small break box extending up to the head string instead of being limited to 1 diamond from the head rail.

2013 Mosconi Cup -- They used a centered break box about 12" wide, with the 9-ball on the foot spot. Successful breaks were 33%, the breaking side won 44% of the games, and B&Rs were 10% (5% excluding games in which the 9-ball was made on the break). Those results were a bit extreme.

2014-2017 US Open 9-Ball Championship -- They used a centered break box about 9" on each side of the long string, with the 9-ball on the foot spot. Successful breaks were in the 50s and 60s (percentages), the breaker-win rate in the 50s, and B&Rs in the 20s. Not bad results.

But I imagine your suggestion was with the 1-ball on the spot? Have you ever tried it in tournaments in Canada?
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I think it’s only needed in a world class field
Never tried it up here
Although I did break frozen to the middle of the end rail as a spot in a money game. But that was back in the roll out days…which favoured the player.
 
336Robin said:
They have it the way the majority of the fans want it. Fast moving action.

There was a poll here about the alternating the break and the majority here
wanted winner breaks because they like to see the string of racks.

Hey here is an idea make them break with a smaller cue ball! lol
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Or!!! Have all players break with tiny pool cues, like ten inches long. I have a good feeling about this idea.
 
Vahmurka said:
I'm puzzled what made MR switch from Cuescore in favor of Digitalpool brackets. Like I said during the 9-Ball Worlds, the latter are pretty nice but seem to be too hard to use for big fields like 128 and 256, long to load and sometimes not easy to navigate. That said, not like Digitalpool is that bad but Cuescore seemed pretty much perfect.
Looks like it turns into a brand feature of MR, dealing with some troublesome things like DAZN and now a bracket service.
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Yep, sounds about right.
My background is in Engineering, the test stress things all the time and a basic website running tournaments is not that hard to get working right before you go live to the World.... I will read up more on Digital pool.

But yes, Cuescore is very solid and has a proven track record, it is not perfect and lacks any integration directly to FargoRate which nobody has working yet at tournament level (just Salotto for 1v1 matches at the moment).
 
telinoz said:
Yep, sounds about right.
My background is in Engineering, the test stress things all the time and a basic website running tournaments is not that hard to get working right before you go live to the World.... I will read up more on Digital pool.

But yes, Cuescore is very solid and has a proven track record, it is not perfect and lacks any integration directly to FargoRate which nobody has working yet at tournament level (just Salotto for 1v1 matches at the moment).
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I wonder if Matchroom's pool division only has 2-3 employees so they don't have any ability to do standard "business" things like making sure their product can be distributed to their customers. The pool division's future seems to stand on whether they can sell pool via streaming to a global audience. But Matchroom doesn't put any effort in that.
 
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