Nine Footer Vs Bar Box

Johnnyt

Johnnyt

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This question has come up many times on AZ, or something similar. After much thought (I have a lot of time on my hands) I don't think I've every read where you don't need nearly as good basics or fundamentals on a Bar Table as you do on a Nine-footer. On the nine you have a lot many more long shots than the average shots you have on a bar table.

I think this is why a lot of people play jam-up on a bar table but much worse on a nine-footer. The nine is not as forgiving when you get out of line long.

I know I was an A or A- on a bar table, but never made it past B on a nine. I believe this to be mainly because I never had good basics. What do you all think of this observation? Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
This question has come up many times on AZ, or something similar. After much thought (I have a lot of time on my hands) I don't think I've every read where you don't need nearly as good basics or fundamentals on a Bar Table as you do on a Nine-footer. On the nine you have a lot many more long shots than the average shots you have on a bar table.

I think this is why a lot of people play jam-up on a bar table but much worse on a nine-footer. The nine is not as forgiving when you get out of line long.

I know I was an A or A- on a bar table, but never made it past B on a nine. I believe this to be mainly because I never had good basics. What do you all think of this observation? Johnnyt
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Only my opinion, but shorter shots paired with more forgiving pockets = mitigating crappy fundamentals. It's hard to compare the two in my opinion--- it's almost two totally different games.
 
Johnnyt said:
This question has come up many times on AZ, or something similar. After much thought (I have a lot of time on my hands) I don't think I've every read where you don't need nearly as good basics or fundamentals on a Bar Table as you do on a Nine-footer. On the nine you have a lot many more long shots than the average shots you have on a bar table.

I think this is why a lot of people play jam-up on a bar table but much worse on a nine-footer. The nine is not as forgiving when you get out of line long.

I know I was an A or A- on a bar table, but never made it past B on a nine. I believe this to be mainly because I never had good basics. What do you all think of this observation? Johnnyt
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I agree Johnny. I can run a rack or two on the barbox but I can't beat the 6 ball ghost on a big table.
 
I love Regulation tables

I think this is why the pro events are played on 9 foot tables. I wouldn't take a 7' bar table if you gave it to me, even if it was one of those fabulous Diamond Tables.

Can you image trying to play 1pocket, 14.1 or golf on a 7' table YUUUUUCCKK

Kevin
 
Playing on a 7' table is like playing Basketball with 8' high rims........Even white guys can slam dunk...;)
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Only my opinion, but shorter shots paired with more forgiving pockets = mitigating crappy fundamentals. It's hard to compare the two in my opinion--- it's almost two totally different games.
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Totally agree on this one. I've never understood why the BCA takes into account a players performance on 9-ft tables playing 9-ball when it is a completely different animal then 8-ball on a bar box.

It definitely takes a steadier stroke to play well on a 9-ft. However, I've found that when playing 8-ball on a bar-box vs a 9ft, you sometimes have to be better at pinpoint shape. On the same turn, 9-ball on a big table requires a more developed stroke to move the cue ball around the table.
 
Neil said:
7' and 8' tables are also 'regulation' tables. Regulation means that they conform to certain specs. Your loss never playing on a 7'. Most of the action is on 7' tables.

9ball is easier on a 7'. 8ball, 14.1 are harder. The table is much more congested, and pinpoint position is required. One hole, I'm not sure about, I never played it on a 7'. 8ball on a 9' is too easy imho. It's WAY easier than 9ball on a 9'.

While Valley tables are too easy, try a Diamond sometime, you might like it. Or some other 7' with tight pockets.
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i agree 100%
 
I think the two are tough to compare. I used to beleive that 9'ers were the tougher table to play, but as my game progressed & my stroke honed in to something I can trust, I now find it difficult to even compare the two table sizes.

Bar boxes have the same pocket size & the same ball size, in general, as the nine footers. Some bar boxes have huge pockets, I know, but so do some Brunswick niners. The balls are the same. The bar box 8-ball I find tougher to play because of traffic. I can easily run racks of eightball on nine footers but not so much on boxes. The stradegy changes from having a wide open table layout with room to move on a niner, to having common clusters to bust & pinpoint position required on the boxes. Totally different games, utilizing the same rules.

Nineball I find to be much easier on boxes. There's half as many balls as eightball, so traffic isn't bad and pockets are much closer so there's no need to focus on shot accuracy as much as a niner. Not having to focus on shot accuracy allows more focus for position & stradegy. So while I agree nineball is easier on a box, i'm experiencing eightball to be much tougher. Just my experiences
 
How about this comparison?

Let me pose this questions to all players and gamblers then.

If a typical 9' table champion say Archer, Reyes or anyone else of my choosing were to set up a match where they played equal amounts of races on both 9' tables and 7' tables against your barbox champion.

Examples
1. race to 50 in 9ball
2. race to 20 in 8ball
3. race to 150 in 14.1
4. race to 5 1pocket

Who is going to bet on the 9' champ verses the 7' champ as being the overall winner of this match.

If someone knows how to set this up as a poll feel free as I would like to see what the general consensus is going to be.
 
No doubt that 9 ft. tables are more difficult but I play much better on them then on bar boxes.

I play on them fairly rarely and don't adjust as quickly as I should...mostly re: CB distance management.

Regards,
Jim
 
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corvette1340 said:
I agree Johnny. I can run a rack or two on the barbox but I can't beat the 6 ball ghost on a big table.
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o.k. it on now!! i will take the 8 on the bar box and we will play ??and a stroke a hole in golf if i can play from the senior tees.:D :D :D :D
 
RunoutalloverU said:
How could you hustle when you are only b speed?
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I never said I hustled on 9-foot tables. For the most part I ran from them. I hustled on bar boxes where I was a much better player. It's all about matching up and not gagging on the $$ anyway. Johnnyt
 
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The simple point I am trying to make is that if you can become proficient at the 9' table you can go down to the 7' and deal with clusters probably better than the proficient 7' player moving up to the 9' and having to deal with the longer shots.

I play in two leagues and both the teams I play for play out of a club with a 9' table(s). In the 9 years that I have played on my Tuesday team and being the only team with a 9' table we have won the league every year except one. This year we had another new team join our league who also have a 9' table in there club. This year we again won the league and the new club with the 9' table came in second.

My thursday night league this year also came down to the two final teams playing for the championship, with both teams coming from rooms with a 9' table.

Each year somebody from one of the clubs what's to b**ch about us having a 9' table and noboby else having one. I never hear anyone from our club including myself b**ch about having to play on 7' tables.

Kevin
 
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