No Deflection

j2pac

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It's been shown the front end mass is really what matters the most.
The Pred models have already shown that .
Conical taper Pred shaft with smaller tip diameter ( around 11.5 mm or less ) will have less squirt than a standard pro-taper Pred with 12.75mm.
That's why there was a conical craze for a while.

Now you have carbon fiber tubes.

Someday, maybe a titanium cue shaft. ;)
 

nodeflection

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It was really more of a question... how does your shaft get the memo?

How do you propose to maintain and modulate the cue's acceleration during prolonged contact as the soft flesh of your hand gives on impact and the tip drops immediately (and uncontrollably) to half its speed while the ball leaves?

pj
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It would depend on the way you work the cue. If I plan to prolong the time on the ball Im looking for more of a solid feel with a lot of force backing it up. The CB is gaining "extra" speed due to increased time on the ball. You have to plan the shot that way and be ready or it won't work, it has to do with reflexes. Grip pressure doesn't matter, you could squeeze it as hard as you want.
 

nodeflection

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Have you tried your technique on a tighter gambling table? That is where I find the men get separated from the boys.

Given that I am still ironing out the details it would be prudent to jump up and bet the farm. I like to play on 4 1/8 pockets or smaller, the more gaffy tight the table is, the better. What if I were female how would I prove myself to such a stranger?
 

nodeflection

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It's been shown the front end mass is really what matters the most.
The Pred models have already shown that .
Conical taper Pred shaft with smaller tip diameter ( around 11.5 mm or less ) will have less squirt than a standard pro-taper Pred with 12.75mm.
That's why there was a conical craze for a while.

Now you have carbon fiber tubes.

Im saying they all will be converted to NO deflection shafts.
 

Patrick Johnson

Fish of the Day
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It would depend on the way you work the cue. If I plan to prolong the time on the ball Im looking for more of a solid feel with a lot of force backing it up. The CB is gaining "extra" speed due to increased time on the ball. You have to plan the shot that way and be ready or it won't work, it has to do with reflexes. Grip pressure doesn't matter, you could squeeze it as hard as you want.
Yeah, well, like I said, good luck with that. I'll look forward to the video.

pj
chgo
 

JoeyInCali

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Im saying they all will be converted to NO deflection shafts.

And I have a compression software that will speed up the internet 1000X faster.

You have a vaporware.
Only YOU claim such a product.
You have no name or product.

Zero deflection was claimed by Meucci decades ago and was debunked.

If you have such a product but you are here "investigating ", means you have no such product.

I'd be shocked if you even have a lathe and a taper machine.
 

nodeflection

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And I have a compression software that will speed up the internet 1000X faster.

You have a vaporware.
Only YOU claim such a product.
You have no name or product.

Zero deflection was claimed by Meucci decades ago and was debunked.

If you have such a product but you are here "investigating ", means you have no such product.

I'd be shocked if you even have a lathe and a taper machine.

I never mentioned I make cues/shafts. The techniques will eliminate the deflection.
 

pt109

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I think it can be done.........on a real pool table.

At one range (speed and distance)you could aim like center ball...
...change the range, you must change the aim...hell, just change the cloth...:eek:
Like Joey said, Meucci claimed zero-deflection over 30 years ago....
...but it was for one shot.

The guy who showed me, a HOFer, I told him to try it on a directional nap cloth...shooting
with and against the nap...he saw what I meant right away.

A llot of cues, trying to achieve zero deflection, end up with a massé problem.
 

nodeflection

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At one range (speed and distance)you could aim like center ball...
...change the range, you must change the aim...hell, just change the cloth...:eek:
Like Joey said, Meucci claimed zero-deflection over 30 years ago....
...but it was for one shot.

The guy who showed me, a HOFer, I told him to try it on a directional nap cloth...shooting
with and against the nap...he saw what I meant right away.

A llot of cues, trying to achieve zero deflection, end up with a massé problem.

I agree with the masse statement. I do have a method for applying side spin that does not masse over a long distance or throw the object ball. I can actually drag the object ball with outside English. Definitely can't do that on an electronic table (unless the physics engine is that good).
 
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pinkspider

Crap user name, I know.
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Trying to wake the dead horse.

I believe I have the answer to the mystery of deflection.
I was advised to come here for further investigation.

Some details:

  • No deflection with a standard maple shaft regardless of speed or distance off of center contact.
  • Speed control for the cueball and the object ball.
  • Throwing the object ball as little or as much as desired.

After going thru 4 pages I must say... well played
 

nodeflection

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Well why didn't you say so, that's any entirely different thing.

Seriously, your a Fargo 700 and I've seen the movie Fargo 6 times...neither exempts us from the laws of physics.
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I am not saying that because you are a 600 Fargo that I have a better handle on the laws of physics.
 
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