No Jump Cue Formats?

[Johnnyt]

It's funny that most of the top pros are on record liking tournaments with formats with no jump cues. Corey, SVB, and Earl are a few that I can think of quickly. All three of these pros can jump with the best of them. I think the jump cue should only be allowed a few times a match or not at all. I believe the jump cue makes the game more of a circus when it's used over and over in a match or game.

Funny how jump cues started to be sold and used in pro tournaments about the same time "the Magician" came to the US with his bag of kicking safe tricks, followed by more of the top players learning to play lock up safes. Johnnyt

 

[Houstoer]

it was great watching the clash of the titans without any jump cues or pushouts (i really like that rule as well). Saw some great kicks and also saw some that made the guys look like they were actually mortal !! This was a class event with great HD streaming. I really liked the format as well; made it enjoyable to watch. :thumbup:

 

[Barioni Cues]

This is why pool is such an under rated sport!

It's funny that most of the top pros are on record liking tournaments with formats with no jump cues. Corey, SVB, and Earl are a few that I can think of quickly. All three of these pros can jump with the best of them. I think the jump cue should only be allowed a few times a match or not at all. I believe the jump cue makes the game more of a circus when it's used over and over in a match or game.

Funny how jump cues started to be sold and used in pro tournaments about the same time "the Magician" came to the US with his bag of kicking safe tricks, followed by more of the top players learning to play lock up safes. Johnnyt

If they would allow jump cues it would be more fun to watch for the average viewers. It is because of dumb crap like this that I cant get my wife to watch pool on TV. It is also why pool is the most under paid sport in history. For me, I can jump just as well with a full length cue and am more accurate with it. For the people out there not wanting jump cues, why not just play a better safe. Freeze the cue ball up against the object ball. I know, you want to get rewarded with ball in hand because you played a less than satisfactory safe. I feel you should be able to play pool with what ever you have and what ever you know. It is the same for both players. I am so sick of rules!!! Cant do this, cant do that. I cant talk on the phone and drive, I cant drive with out wearing my seat belt. Now I cant use a jump cue? Really!!

 

[TheWizard]

Hey Johnny, how's it rockin?

Fwiw, I've always felt there is as much skill involved in being able jump acurately, as there is to kick accurately, purely because both methods have their challenges and it takes time and practice to perfect those techniques.

Earl prefers no jump cues in tournaments because he is more adept to jumping with a full cue and so, he would rather have more advantage over other lesser experienced players in that department.

For me, The table layout I'm left with as to whether I'll shoot a jump or kick shot, I can jump with a full cue, (Not as good as I can with a jump cue) but personally I don't mind if Jump cues are permitted in a tournament or not, because I will find a way to improvise to make the best out of the situation, even if it mean kicking the CB into the rail and jumping over a ball :thumbup:

Willie

 

[TheWizard]

If they would allow jump cues it would be more fun to watch for the average viewers. It is because of dumb crap like this that I cant get my wife to watch pool on TV. It is also why pool is the most under paid sport in history. For me, I can jump just as well with a full length cue and am more accurate with it. For the people out there not wanting jump cues, why not just play a better safe. Freeze the cue ball up against the object ball. I know, you want to get rewarded with ball in hand because you played a less than satisfactory safe. I feel you should be able to play pool with what ever you have and what ever you know. It is the same for both players. I am so sick of rules!!! Cant do this, cant do that. I cant talk on the phone and drive, I cant drive with out wearing my seat belt. Now I cant use a jump cue? Really!!

I hear ya

 

[sfleinen]

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I am so sick of rules!!! Cant do this, cant do that. I cant talk on the phone and drive, I cant drive with out wearing my seat belt. Now I cant use a jump cue? Really!!

John:

Everything in life is based on risk -- risk assessment. If you accept the risk, you don't have to follow the rules. Nobody's holding a gun to your head saying you can't talk on the phone and drive (sidenote: this must be a California rebel thing; all other states have implemented distracted driving laws with not nearly as many complaints as Californians). Nobody's holding a gun to your head saying you can't drive while not wearing your seat belt (sidenote: must be another California rebel thing; seat belts have been mandated by law for at least 20 years in all other states). And nobody's holding a gun to your head saying you can't use a jump cue.

If you've properly assessed the risk, and have determined for yourself that the consequences are worth the risk, then go ahead and do these things. Nobody's stopping you except a written piece of paper that you are expected to be familiar with (whether that be traffic law or the laws of the tournament). But don't come crying here when the consequences have caught up with you, and you "dislike" having to pay the piper -- whether that be a traffic citation/summons (or worse, a wrongful death lawsuit because you smashed into someone while arguing with another person on the cell phone); or your own death because you became part of the dashboard while in an accident yapping on your cell phone; or ejection from the tournament because you wouldn't abide by the tournament rules.

In summary: it's a free country, and it's your choice. You buy the risk, you own it.

-Sean

 

[Tennesseejoe]

Most pros would rather have 2 shot push out---that makes 9 or 10 ball more interesting. Great shot making would be rewarded.

 

[Pangit]

Most pros would rather have 2 shot push out---that makes 9 or 10 ball more interesting. Great shot making would be rewarded.

Lot's said...many point's of view. I don't "own" a pool table and as such I'm certainly not one to "practice" jump shots on a table that doesn't belong to me. It's kinda like smoking/eating/drinking while at the table? You inherently know how to respect the "tackle" or U don't? If U have to ask.....???
The TV crowds love it, makes for good TV. As much as I hate ES's whole pool persona, he has it right. It's chicken shit. I'd much rather see a well thought out 2/3 rail kick than a "jump".

 

[macguy]

Most pros would rather have 2 shot push out---that makes 9 or 10 ball more interesting. Great shot making would be rewarded.

Where do you get your statistics? I have sat around with a lot of pros as this subject came up and they didn't like 2 shot push out either and almost universally hate BIH under any circumstances. The problem with 2 SPO is you never get punished for making mistakes. If you hook yourself you just push out.

A rack can go such as:

Got hooked push out. Player says shoot again you play a safe, or he does. Push out again, player takes the shot and plays safe. You take a two way shot and miss leaving a hook. Incoming player pushes out and so on and so on and so on, it is a awful way to play.

There are simple rule changes that can be fashioned to make 9 ball a truly championship game and remain interesting for the spectator, but 2 shot push out is not one of them, Of course in my opinion.

 

[macguy]

Lot's said...many point's of view. I don't "own" a pool table and as such I'm certainly not one to "practice" jump shots on a table that doesn't belong to me. It's kinda like smoking/eating/drinking while at the table? You inherently know how to respect the "tackle" or U don't? If U have to ask.....???
The TV crowds love it, makes for good TV. As much as I hate ES's whole pool persona, he has it right. It's chicken shit. I'd much rather see a well thought out 2/3 rail kick than a "jump".

Even if that kick came as a result of a poorly play shot your opponent missed and now he is the favorite to win due to a lucky leave? Your penalty if you now miss the kick under BIH rules is probably an automatic loss of the game.


The jump cue I am afraid is a necessarily evil needed to remedy what are already poorly designed rules. Change the rules and you can eliminate the need for a jump cue.

 

[Donny Lutz]

Forbidding jump shots raises some important questions. When you simply hit the CB hard with a slightly elevated stroke, you can jump over the edge of a ball very easily. (This is the jump shots that most players fail to use.) Some players consider this a jump shot, some don't. Also, when you break firmly, the CB leaves the surface. So "no jump shots" can lead to arguments. In other words, cue balls jump quite often, from just a bit to a lot, for a variety of reasons. I say allow them in tournaments and league play, but it's OK to have a sign in your establishment saying, "No Jump Shots" to dissuade beginners (bangers and scoopers) from tearing up tables.