No Limit 9 Ball?

I find it interesting that it seems as though just women are being called back for this venue.

From what I know that is being made public at my end, is that Jacqui has definatly been called and is leaving on the 12th for the show and wardrobe.

Should be interesting to see what happens next.

Eydie
 
Bob Romano said:
I find it interesting that it seems as though just women are being called back for this venue.

From what I know that is being made public at my end, is that Jacqui has definatly been called and is leaving on the 12th for the show and wardrobe.

Should be interesting to see what happens next.

Eydie
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Rau Hanna, a muscular black guy, who plays out of the San Fernando Valley is in, and he is a pretty decent player (maybe lower B), with a great personality.

Wayne
 
vapoolplayer said:
being serious here, because i tend to agree with jeff on this one. what do you think is the biggest attraction for new players to the game? i'd really like to here everyone's opinion on this.

thanks

VAP
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The biggest attraction right now, IMHO, is the pool room that allows under 21 year olds in. Where else can those who recently graduated from high school go for regular entertainment. It's the time in their lives where they are ripe for something new and challenging. They have a ton of time on their hands. Little reponsibilities. A perfect fit. I call the group "18 to Married". They are out almost every night. Over the years we've had great success recruiting this demographic into pool league.

The reason I disagree with the APA being the attraction is because the pool room is what attracts them first. Then, they are a prospect for league. And, in my area, the APA is almost nonexistent. As it should be.

Point is, league is important. Doesn't matter which league. But getting them hooked on the game starts with organized competition. From there, some will get hooked. They'll search for lessons. They'll develop. They'll enter local tournament. Then regional. Then....who knows.

In my area it's just old fashioned hard work. I've been around 15 years so I get a steady influx of prospects. They like the atmosphere. We try to make friends. Then recruit to league. Then instruction. Etc Etc.

A huge opportunity exists for a league program established for juniors.

We need to do that. Would love to get a school program going. But, schools don't like associating with establishments that sell alcohol.

Our biggest failure is using bars to establish pool interest. First, it's too late. Second, it's the wrong crowd. Third, they rape our game.
 
Teacherman said:
The biggest attraction right now, IMHO, is the pool room that allows under 21 year olds in. Where else can those who recently graduated from high school go for regular entertainment. It's the time in their lives where they are ripe for something new and challenging. They have a ton of time on their hands. Little reponsibilities. A perfect fit. I call the group "18 to Married". They are out almost every night. Over the years we've had great success recruiting this demographic into pool league.

The reason I disagree with the APA being the attraction is because the pool room is what attracts them first. Then, they are a prospect for league. And, in my area, the APA is almost nonexistent. As it should be.

Point is, league is important. Doesn't matter which league. But getting them hooked on the game starts with organized competition. From there, some will get hooked. They'll search for lessons. They'll develop. They'll enter local tournament. Then regional. Then....who knows.

In my area it's just old fashioned hard work. I've been around 15 years so I get a steady influx of prospects. They like the atmosphere. We try to make friends. Then recruit to league. Then instruction. Etc Etc.

A huge opportunity exists for a league program established for juniors.

We need to do that. Would love to get a school program going. But, schools don't like associating with establishments that sell alcohol.

Our biggest failure is using bars to establish pool interest. First, it's too late. Second, it's the wrong crowd. Third, they rape our game.
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good points, thats what kept me from starting earlier. my parents wouldnt let me go in a pool hall for one............and then when i moved out at 17.......i couldn't hardly find a place that would let me in......LOL. the ones that did usually switched over to only 21 and up after about 7 pm, so i couldn't even play the better players as they were in later.......so i lost interest and didn't really get into playing until around 21....... :(

i do think that the only way pool is going to progress is to implement the game into junior leagues like baseball, football, basketball, etc etc.

thanks

VAP
 
Teacherman said:
The biggest attraction right now, IMHO, is the pool room that allows under 21 year olds in. Where else can those who recently graduated from high school go for regular entertainment. It's the time in their lives where they are ripe for something new and challenging. They have a ton of time on their hands. Little reponsibilities. A perfect fit. I call the group "18 to Married". They are out almost every night. Over the years we've had great success recruiting this demographic into pool league.

The reason I disagree with the APA being the attraction is because the pool room is what attracts them first. Then, they are a prospect for league. And, in my area, the APA is almost nonexistent. As it should be.

Point is, league is important. Doesn't matter which league. But getting them hooked on the game starts with organized competition. From there, some will get hooked. They'll search for lessons. They'll develop. They'll enter local tournament. Then regional. Then....who knows.

In my area it's just old fashioned hard work. I've been around 15 years so I get a steady influx of prospects. They like the atmosphere. We try to make friends. Then recruit to league. Then instruction. Etc Etc.

A huge opportunity exists for a league program established for juniors.

We need to do that. Would love to get a school program going. But, schools don't like associating with establishments that sell alcohol.

Our biggest failure is using bars to establish pool interest. First, it's too late. Second, it's the wrong crowd. Third, they rape our game.
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Nice post.

Actually I said the APA is the largest attractor, not attraction. I.e., they bring in more new, lower-level players than any other pool organization, so I've been told. But the attraction question is great.

I agree with attracting 18-marrieds. I forget, did you have to be 18 (or21) to get on this show?

Jeff Livingston
 
chefjeff said:
Actually I said the APA is the largest attractor, not attraction
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Either way you say it I don't agree. The APA is only introduced to people by bars or bar patrons (teams) recruiting players.

Maybe the APA is the biggest deal in your town but it isn't everywhere. Whatever league is, to my knowledge, people don't have a direct connection to it. They are usually introduced by bar owners and other players.

When pool rooms form an association and take over the league business, which they would if a solid organization was formed, then and only then will pool grow. They need a regular league and a junior league.

Any pool room owners wish to discuss this??????
 
I wonder if you can explain part of your quote below. Or rather give me the name of an organization or person that has introduced more people to
playing pool. While the APA might not have introduced pool to the person
for the first time I can not think of anything else that brings people into the game on a regular basis.

Agree about the need for youth pool. Hardest thing is to get teens to
commit to anything and stick to it. YABA (youth bowling) has this problem
even with adult bowling leagues being extremely popular.

Pool is growing now and has been. I dont really think it will hit the elite status that most of us would like it to reach but it can get alot stronger and
more lucrative.
Other non-mainstream sports have reached peaks getting more sponsors
and dollars involved. I dont know the answers but I do like most ideas
involving team pool. People tend to root for teams easier than for individuals.

I dont own a room but would like to some day. Hopefully I can
come back with some questions and get some experienced answers.
frankncali


Teacherman said:
Either way you say it I don't agree. The APA is only introduced to people by bars or bar patrons (teams) recruiting players.

Maybe the APA is the biggest deal in your town but it isn't everywhere. Whatever league is, to my knowledge, people don't have a direct connection to it. They are usually introduced by bar owners and other players.

When pool rooms form an association and take over the league business, which they would if a solid organization was formed, then and only then will pool grow. They need a regular league and a junior league.

Any pool room owners wish to discuss this??????
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chefjeff said:
Perhaps this show will demonstrate, to the average Joe watching ESPN, the difficulty of this game that the pros make look so easy. This might ironically help display and promote the truth about pool.

Jeff Livingston
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I never thought of that. You get a bunch of useless hacks on TV playing for $20,000 and choaking their chicken and sucking it up and then maybe Joe public will realise just how good the truely good players in this game are.

Come to think of it I could see a bunch of guys watching this in the bar while shooting pool and laughing at the misses and boasting they would win on the show easy and then get there with the lights shining in their faces and the camera lens zooming in on them and quickly learn humility. This could be a good show if done right, I doubt they will do it right since it wont be true pool players making the important decisions as per usual in this sport though.
 
Teacherman said:
Not true.

Across the country, league play is down.
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is that really a fact? or is that your opinion?

i for one would like to see less team league play and more singles league.
 
Teacherman said:
Either way you say it I don't agree. The APA is only introduced to people by bars or bar patrons (teams) recruiting players.

Maybe the APA is the biggest deal in your town but it isn't everywhere. Whatever league is, to my knowledge, people don't have a direct connection to it. They are usually introduced by bar owners and other players.

When pool rooms form an association and take over the league business, which they would if a solid organization was formed, then and only then will pool grow. They need a regular league and a junior league.

Any pool room owners wish to discuss this??????
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We're a little off subject here, maybe you'd like to start a new thread on your query?

The APA (geez, here I am on their side :o ) has the most league players in the country. I've always been impressed with this fact. What do they do/offer that makes this so? That's my point there.

I see the progression of a newbie like this:
Play in basement with friends.
Go to bar and get introduced to a league.
If the league is too tough (BCA, VNEA, eg), they get frustrated and quit.
If the league is designed for their level (APA), they stay and play (and spend $$$), with a lottery-player-like hope for a free trip to Vegas.
If they happen to overcome the big APA incentives to not improve, they find out about the tougher leagues and decide to use them to get even better.

From there, I see a BIG dead end, with the players trapped by the bar scene, their teammates' complacency, and nowhere left to go, but perhaps road-trip hustling, to get better. A pool room owners association league would be a great next step, especially if it was designed to take the best players to the next level(s), such as a semi-pro tour.

This show is a least one other outlet for some players. May they have fun, make money, and help pool.

Jeff Livingston
 
chefjeff said:
Play in basement with friends.
Go to bar and get introduced to a league.
If the league is too tough (BCA, VNEA, eg), they get frustrated and quit.
If the league is designed for their level (APA), they stay and play (and spend $$$), with a lottery-player-like hope for a free trip to Vegas.
If they happen to overcome the big APA incentives to not improve, they find out about the tougher leagues and decide to use them to get even better.
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Step #2 is where it breaks down.

How is one league too tough but the APA league designed for their level?

Have you played anything but APA?
 
Michigan Players

Bob Romano said:
Has anyone found out that they have been selected as a contestant for the upcoming show?

Eydie
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I know two players from the room I play out of (Hall Of Fame Billiards) Waren,MI. one male one female. And the winners are Mike Calderone & Julie Melman
 
dashaw said:
I know two players from the room I play out of (Hall Of Fame Billiards) Waren,MI. one male one female. And the winners are Mike Calderone & Julie Melman
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Is that the same Julie Melman that just beat WPBA #14 Hsin Huang? If so, it sounds like they made a very good choice. An amateur with enough stuff to beat a highly seeded pro would seem the right kind of selection.
 
sjm said:
Is that the same Julie Melman that just beat WPBA #14 Hsin Huang? If so, it sounds like they made a very good choice. An amateur with enough stuff to beat a highly seeded pro would seem the right kind of selection.
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If Julie is the same girl I think she is (she may have married, don't recognize the last name), she will be great for the show. She plays well and is very entertaining!
Good luck Julie!


Christyd
 
Julie Melman is from Michigan. She runs a women's pro tour. She is not married from what I know. I did both of the articles that are posted here on AZ including the one on Mike. NL9B has some changes coming to the venue. Keep watching the main event here on AZ for updated information.

Congratultions to all who have made the casting call, we all will be looking for you.

Eydie
 
Bob Romano said:
Julie Melman is from Michigan. She runs a women's pro tour. She is not married from what I know. I did both of the articles that are posted here on AZ including the one on Mike. NL9B has some changes coming to the venue. Keep watching the main event here on AZ for updated information.

Congratultions to all who have made the casting call, we all will be looking for you.

Eydie
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Thanks Bob

Is she the one who runs the tour with Alice Rim?

Christyd
 
Jacoby Great Lakes Tour

christyd said:
Thanks Bob

Is she the one who runs the tour with Alice Rim?

Christyd
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Alice Rim is no longer part of the tour its just Julie Melman & David Hanshaw.
I also think the people at NO LIMIT 9 BALL made a good choice.

David A.Hanshaw Tour Coordinator
Jacoby Cues Great Lakes Tour
 
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Teacherman said:
Step #2 is where it breaks down.

How is one league too tough but the APA league designed for their level?

Have you played anything but APA?
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I've played APA....[hold finger in air]...ONCE. That was one too many times, imho.

OVERALL, the VNEA and BCA leagues are filled with better players than the APA, from what I've seen and heard and read. Locally, players advance from the APA (and City league, Players Club, Metro) to the two other leagues. I've heard that this is the pattern nationwide. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Step 2 is where it takes off, as players reach out into the public arena. It has to start somewhere and the APA somehow makes this step inviting to these new players. Good for them.

Jeff Livingston
 
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