No Wonder Allison and Karen are at the Top....
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I'm going to go out on a limb here. IF Jasmin Ouschan competed for a few years on a regular basis against the top men players, she could reach the top 20 in the world, maybe even the top 10. She has that much natural ability. But she must develop it in compettion against the best players (i.e. the men).
Playing occasionally won't get her there. And I suspect the WPBA will prove more lucrative (and attractive) for her. I'd love to see her in Louisville, and playing on the Joss Tour or the Florida tour. And going to Open events everywhere. Hell, I'd stake her. But I just don't think it's going to happen.
How good this woman could become we may never know. One thing I'll say for Jeannie, she got out there and went for it. She WANTED to play all the top men.
Playing occasionally won't get her there. And I suspect the WPBA will prove more lucrative (and attractive) for her. I'd love to see her in Louisville, and playing on the Joss Tour or the Florida tour. And going to Open events everywhere. Hell, I'd stake her. But I just don't think it's going to happen.
How good this woman could become we may never know. One thing I'll say for Jeannie, she got out there and went for it. She WANTED to play all the top men.
jay helfert said:I'm going to go out on a limb here. IF Jasmin Ouschan competed for a few years on a regular basis against the top men players, she could reach the top 20 in the world, maybe even the top 10. She has that much natural ability. But she must develop it in compettion against the best players (i.e. the men).
Playing occasionally won't get her there. And I suspect the WPBA will prove more lucrative (and attractive) for her. I'd love to see her in Louisville, and playing on the Joss Tour or the Florida tour. And going to Open events everywhere. Hell, I'd stake her. But I just don't think it's going to happen.
How good this woman could become we may never know. One thing I'll say for Jeannie, she got out there and went for it. She WANTED to play all the top men.[/QUOTE]
Welllllllllllllllllllllll...... the question is... are the topmales in europe or the Usa then!???because J.O. is doing the same thingie here!
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jay helfert said:
Allison was cruising along with no competition until Karen came along. Then Karen came along and took over for a little (while Allison's father was dying I think). The Allison elevated her game and took over again, admittedly not totally dominating like she did before. I've never seen Jasmin, but I'll assume she is as good as many people say. My suspicion is if she played full time in the WPBA, she would move pass Allison and Karen... then Allison, and probably Karen, would once more elevate her game and move ahead or at least equal with her.
I wish I'd seen Jean, but no matter how good she was (or is?) my guess is Allison would be competitive with her.
It is like all sports, it is very rare that the very best at their peak all converge at the same place and time in history. It is a thing of beauty when they do and a shame one of them has to loss. Ali/Frazier come to mind.
cuetechasaurus said:
Cuetech,
What is a player supposed to do when he or she misses? Quickly turning around and sitting down is the best possible thing a person can do, in my opinion. How does getting angry at yourself help you in your next inning? Negative reinforcement (thinking to yourself, "I suck!") does not work, and I'm sure you know that.
Acting like a clown after a miss (hitting the table, swinging/banging a cue, loudly sighing/cursing, or even just remaining at the table pondering your badness) really just makes the player look silly and beatable.
When I see my opponent act like this after a miss, it's usually over for him before it really started.
By the way, plenty of pro players quickly turn around and sit down after a miss. They are often the ones to fear - they're not coming to the table in their next inning with a lot of baggage from their last.
Just my opinion,
Steve
you are correct, the finals are on video at that websitePugh said:
Steve Lipsky said:
I wasn't suggesting that they go nuts after missing, I was just pointing out that they don't care if they miss. The reason I pointed that out, is because it's like if they miss the 1, 2, or 3 ball, they think their opponent isn't gonna run out, so they didn't care at all. When you look at top male players, when they miss, even if they leave their opponent an opportunity to play safe, they show obvious dissapointment. I think the drive not to miss is really important, instead of not caring when you miss. JMO
I'm no expert on the psychology of woman players, but what you said makes sense to me. I'm not even as good as the women (though maybe close to some of them), but I know when I miss against somebody of a lesser level than me who I know is unlikely to run out it doesn't bother me nearly as much as when I'm playing against a player I know is likely to run out. Lot less pressure to perform well against the weaker player and I perfore accordingly.cuetechasaurus said:
sjm said:
Thank you. Having seen the top women players play in person I know how well they can shoot. It really bothers me to see folks degrading their skills.
cuetechasaurus said:
Gotcha cuetech. Sorry I misunderstood.
Happy holidays,
Steve
StormHotRod300 said:
as sjm noted the pockets have been tightened up considerably this year
they are about 4 1/2 inches
personally i like the alternating break it gives you a chance to see the other player play some
JMO
jay helfert said:
Jay what great post. Allison is class defined. I never saw Jean play but Allison has been there, done that, and proven her greatness so unless Jean comes out of retirement Allison lays claim to the greatest female player ever.
I predict Jasmin being her own uncomparable entity in pool once she gets into the higher-level game of the men's tournaments. She expressed on her website a while ago that she wanted to compete with men to get better... and I think once she accomplishes this she'll be up there running 6 or 7 racks against the best.
First off, thank you so much for a website that I can watch pool videos from at work. I am eternally grateful.
But I agree about the stepping up of the game. If those two are indeed pro, I don't see how they can hang with the likes of Karen or Allison. Personally, I don't see pool as something that should be seperated by male and female. Its not like football where people can get hurt... or basketball where there is a definite average height advantage; women have just as much talent as men do and just as much potential to dominate the game. Maybe when everyone gets into that mindset the sport will be better off.
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Okay I just saw the end of the first game on that video and I feel sad inside now. The lady got ball in hand on an easy shot into the corner and she rushed it and missed. She coulda ended that game. I wanted to cry FOR her. I'm gonna be bummed all day now.
I am eternally grateful.But I agree about the stepping up of the game. If those two are indeed pro, I don't see how they can hang with the likes of Karen or Allison. Personally, I don't see pool as something that should be seperated by male and female. Its not like football where people can get hurt... or basketball where there is a definite average height advantage; women have just as much talent as men do and just as much potential to dominate the game. Maybe when everyone gets into that mindset the sport will be better off.
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Okay I just saw the end of the first game on that video and I feel sad inside now. The lady got ball in hand on an easy shot into the corner and she rushed it and missed. She coulda ended that game. I wanted to cry FOR her. I'm gonna be bummed all day now.
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MyraCurfs said:Somebody wanna back ( me up) got my own sportsbar with VIP pooltabel now!
With all due respect, the team you put up is dead money! I'll take five players from two any of these two nations and put them up against your all-world team of Lin, Fisher, Corr, Gerda and Jasmin. Would you care to put up the cheese against Archer, Morris, Earl, Schmidt and Owen? What about against Reyes, Pagulayan, Orcullo, Bustamante and Alcano? Call your backers!
P.S.--Winner breaks, race to 13.
VIProfessor said:
I'll put up 500 if you don't feel like putting up the whole 1k
I want a piece too!
I will second ...
that no .... and the match might have been a little off day, but pretty close to par for them. You guys need to remember, not all players, men or women, have the capacity to be a 'great' player.
Tracie and Helena were slow getting started, but after that, I would say about average. I was impressed with a few safeties they played, better than I thought they were going to be. Helena's BIH 8 ball miss was just a fluke.
Any Open tournament breaking from the box though, and I don't think any woman pro player can win it in 9 ball. Women, by nature, IMO, are not as technically oriented as men are in general, as men usually get that earlier in life in different sports, therefore it becomes a learned thing for them after they have played for a few years, and usually coached and instructed by a man player who brings it to their attention.
bruin70 said:
that no .... and the match might have been a little off day, but pretty close to par for them. You guys need to remember, not all players, men or women, have the capacity to be a 'great' player.
Tracie and Helena were slow getting started, but after that, I would say about average. I was impressed with a few safeties they played, better than I thought they were going to be. Helena's BIH 8 ball miss was just a fluke.
Any Open tournament breaking from the box though, and I don't think any woman pro player can win it in 9 ball. Women, by nature, IMO, are not as technically oriented as men are in general, as men usually get that earlier in life in different sports, therefore it becomes a learned thing for them after they have played for a few years, and usually coached and instructed by a man player who brings it to their attention.