Appreciate the kind words.
Non forfeit at White Diamonds - Whats up with that!!!
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Appreciate the kind words.
I was speaking of a couple of his other tournaments, and in general about how the rules should be followed. Chris has more integrity in his little finger than many of the players who frequent his tournaments. I would hate to see anything blemish that, and don't think this will. I think like Juice said, it will be fixed.
Great post.
I think that the best solution is simply to put the late player on the clock. Every 3-5 minutes is a loss of game until the set is over.
Keep all mention of the calcutta money out of it. That's between the people betting and the players they are betting on if they want to work stuff out between themselves. The TD runs the tournament and the calcutta is completely separate.
sorry elve
I didn't mean to come off as strong as I did. I just feel like the players need the calcutta buyers and backers to be successful and we should get some consideration for it. It would make me sick to see anyone get screwed because they bought a player and the player no showed, etc... i am always fearful of a player that doesn't buy half of himself because he thinks he went for too much then dumps to go for less the next time. I have seen it happen on a much smaller scale.
I didn't mean to come off as strong as I did. I just feel like the players need the calcutta buyers and backers to be successful and we should get some consideration for it. It would make me sick to see anyone get screwed because they bought a player and the player no showed, etc... i am always fearful of a player that doesn't buy half of himself because he thinks he went for too much then dumps to go for less the next time. I have seen it happen on a much smaller scale.
DrOnePocket
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let's face it, the calcutta is the reason to have the tournament at White Diamonds. I like Chris and Ashley and they do an outstanding job in just getting this thin completed.
At this event only speculated times are given and staying there 15 hours each day is grueling.
About 3 years ago TJ Davis sat there for 6 hours after buying himself for $1000. His girlfriend finally just couldn't take anymore and TJ announced he was taking her to the room. Well, after being gone for about 30 minutes, he was forfeited adn hot enogh to f*** on credit. Ashley was doing what she could do to keep the thing going and Tj took his chances and lost.
I played my last match on a Sunday and gain about 3 years ago, and was told to be back at 8 am. I was there and played at 1:30 pm. By then I could have cared less.
In any event like this, there are going to be situations, but rules are rules.
Charlie Brown bought jesse and Charlie is good friend of mine. Hads Jessed been forfeited as what appears should have been done, Charlie would have been very, very HOT! It would have been at Jesse though, and no telling what he had been told about the APP. time.
i don't think the buyers owe the players anything and vice versa. Everyone should be well aware of that going in adn not belly ache about it.
I agree with you including the forfiets the player can catch grief from the buyer but there is no debt, the calcutta is a side pot.
It is rough the way they run the brackets. Instead of running them from the top to the bottom on one side then the other they run it in quarters and they run it in quarters and mixed loser side and winners side. So there is no rhyme or reason and you have to stay in the building. That is one advantage to the Brickyard events that MacAshby runs. He knows a match on average will take about 45 minutes and he puts times on your match and you will not be forfieted before that time. I think this scheduled match times enhance the experience and allows the players to rest.
I know this our group plans to return and we will have a plan to deal with the match scheduling so we can attack this thing and snap it off.
OK, I'm very late to this thread, plus, I really don't give a shite one way or the other, but Ima get my piece in, so here goes:
First off, during the player meeting Chris said, that the forfeit rules were not hard and fast. Chris said verbatim, "We ain't going to be waitin' on your assses to get back from a football huddle in the parking lot smokin funny cigarettes to get the event rollin'. Don't be late for your fuggin matches. If we put you on the clock we will forfeit your. We can't be waitin' or the event will run till Monday. But we will try to be fair but we ain't going to be looking at the clock till we have to.
To paraphrase, forfeits will be levied at the discretion of the TD based on the factors in motion at any given time during the event.
Second, how in the ****e would you feel if you bought Jesse and there was a miscommunication about him running to the hotel to change his drawers or going to Wal-Mart to buy some shoe strings or something?
First off, during the player meeting Chris said, that the forfeit rules were not hard and fast. Chris said verbatim, "We ain't going to be waitin' on your assses to get back from a football huddle in the parking lot smokin funny cigarettes to get the event rollin'. Don't be late for your fuggin matches. If we put you on the clock we will forfeit your. We can't be waitin' or the event will run till Monday. But we will try to be fair but we ain't going to be looking at the clock till we have to.
To paraphrase, forfeits will be levied at the discretion of the TD based on the factors in motion at any given time during the event.
Second, how in the ****e would you feel if you bought Jesse and there was a miscommunication about him running to the hotel to change his drawers or going to Wal-Mart to buy some shoe strings or something?
Now I disagree John. Chris has rules. One of them is that forfeits are up to the TD and they ain't going to be looking at the clock every second necessarily.
I just had a good idea.Lets make some rules and play by them.John B.
In the players meeting he said be late you will be forfeited. He offered no other options at the time.
I hope Ray Hansen can post a short video clip. I will swear I heard him say it was not hard and fast and it would be the TD's call. And something about football huddles in the parking lot
I could be wrong and if I am I appoligize in advance now that I've read the entire thread. I see this thread has gone through some ups and downs and people may be feeling a little bruised.
For that reason I will be sensitive to my fellow posters...:smile:
i still think you have to do it that way. if it happens a coupla times and and the calcutta buyer that gets screwed appropriately handles the player that screwed him, then it will stop being a problem. do it any other way and a player can decide just not to show and not have to worry about it. cant set that precedent.
You need to know the player you are buying if they have ups and downs then they are worth less. If they are known to not show sometimes they are worth less no matter how well they play. You cannot expect a player to consider the calcutta in their decisions. If they want they are allowed to buy half if they do not the buyer has it all and does not have to jelly the player. A player always known to buy half is worth is more means they are going to to try hard. A great player that wants a guarenteed jelly but does not buy half is worth less.
A player should go over and let the buyer know if they want in for half before the board is posted but there is nothing the player has to do if they are just playing the tourney. The idea that a player owes something if they forfeit means the player is guaranteeing their participation beyond just the tourney when all they did was pay an entry fee in the tourney. If the calcutta is a side pot then there has to be a separation.
Been there, done that
In the 1990s I owned Racketeers we were having huge calcuttas on the bar boxes every month and a very similar thing occurred. Two of my very close friends got mad at me because I sent someone out to the parking lot to let Little Al Mason know he was on the clock and he came in and defeated my friends player that they had paid a huge sum for,so they starting screaming "foul",! I'll be damn if I was going to forfeit someone who had driven from Dallas to New Orleans just to play in our tournament. This was the right thing to do. I know Charlie Brown, Chris Miller & Ashley and all three are great people who always try to do the right thing. I don't know Juice or Jessie Bowman very well but I have heard good things about both. I can tell you that these type of things will destroy successful tournaments and was the reason we discontinued them at Racketeers. I certainly hope that won't be the case at White Diamond's but I don't think Chris deserves this criticism he only was trying to keep the tournament running smoothly and perhaps he may or may not have made the right call, but remember, he's human ! Thank you, just my opinion, Gerald Huber
In the 1990s I owned Racketeers we were having huge calcuttas on the bar boxes every month and a very similar thing occurred. Two of my very close friends got mad at me because I sent someone out to the parking lot to let Little Al Mason know he was on the clock and he came in and defeated my friends player that they had paid a huge sum for,so they starting screaming "foul",! I'll be damn if I was going to forfeit someone who had driven from Dallas to New Orleans just to play in our tournament. This was the right thing to do. I know Charlie Brown, Chris Miller & Ashley and all three are great people who always try to do the right thing. I don't know Juice or Jessie Bowman very well but I have heard good things about both. I can tell you that these type of things will destroy successful tournaments and was the reason we discontinued them at Racketeers. I certainly hope that won't be the case at White Diamond's but I don't think Chris deserves this criticism he only was trying to keep the tournament running smoothly and perhaps he may or may not have made the right call, but remember, he's human ! Thank you, just my opinion, Gerald Huber
yes indeed, he is human and I suspect that after each event, he has things to think about. I truely believe Chris wants what is right and his fast decisions sometimes come at tough times and during a hectic weekend.
While I believe every rule should be true for every player, there are many ways to look at each situation.
I know that if I go to an important pool tournament and I am scheduled to play a big named player, I would ask the tournament director to hold off on forfeiting the player, even knowing that it might piss off someone else who maybe has a better chance of beating the big name player to the finish line.
No, this isn't fair either but I go to tournaments to compete and I'm not going to get any better taking forfeits every time one is offered to me. The opportunity to play a top player in a major tournament is very important to those of us who don't play pool for a living. It's why a large number of us play in events like White Diamonds.
Being a tournament director is a lot like being a pool tournament referee. There are situations that come up that require the person in charge to use their best judgment at that point in time.
I believe in the betterment of the whole rather than the selective betterment of the individual and that is where the rubber meets the road.
On one hand, I believe the rules are for all players not just a selective few, however in a broader perspective, it is easy to see why additional time was allowed for Jesse to play.
Last night, busy at the tournament in Thibodaux, LA at CueSports which btw, is being livestreamed by www.poolactiontv.com, I received a forfeit and I didn't ask who the player was and I didn't ask to wait. I didn't immediately recognize the player's name and I was busy helping bigtruck do commentary since he was playing match after match (and winning) so I was happy to move on to the next bracket, hoping to play and beat additional players as there are some VERY TOP PLAYERS in this event.
As with most things, it is all about whose ox is getting gored.
Now, if I make it to the finals this weekend and I am in it and Cliff "Lucky Dog" Joyner is down on his luck and late for the final match, I will have a stop watch clicking down the seconds.
J/k, Cliff would be the last one that I would want to see forfeit a match especially against me, because he was late. I just like the guy, so there you go again....whose ox is getting gored. Besides, I put the bite on Cliff and he knows he can't bite me back. Fair is fair.
I know that if I go to an important pool tournament and I am scheduled to play a big named player, I would ask the tournament director to hold off on forfeiting the player, even knowing that it might piss off someone else who maybe has a better chance of beating the big name player to the finish line.
No, this isn't fair either but I go to tournaments to compete and I'm not going to get any better taking forfeits every time one is offered to me. The opportunity to play a top player in a major tournament is very important to those of us who don't play pool for a living. It's why a large number of us play in events like White Diamonds.
Being a tournament director is a lot like being a pool tournament referee. There are situations that come up that require the person in charge to use their best judgment at that point in time.
I believe in the betterment of the whole rather than the selective betterment of the individual and that is where the rubber meets the road.
On one hand, I believe the rules are for all players not just a selective few, however in a broader perspective, it is easy to see why additional time was allowed for Jesse to play.
Last night, busy at the tournament in Thibodaux, LA at CueSports which btw, is being livestreamed by www.poolactiontv.com, I received a forfeit and I didn't ask who the player was and I didn't ask to wait. I didn't immediately recognize the player's name and I was busy helping bigtruck do commentary since he was playing match after match (and winning) so I was happy to move on to the next bracket, hoping to play and beat additional players as there are some VERY TOP PLAYERS in this event.
As with most things, it is all about whose ox is getting gored.
Now, if I make it to the finals this weekend and I am in it and Cliff "Lucky Dog" Joyner is down on his luck and late for the final match, I will have a stop watch clicking down the seconds.
J/k, Cliff would be the last one that I would want to see forfeit a match especially against me, because he was late. I just like the guy, so there you go again....whose ox is getting gored. Besides, I put the bite on Cliff and he knows he can't bite me back. Fair is fair.