now official, no funds before Chicago

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smashmouth

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Let's see, 7-10 days before the checks are sent right, at best?

So are we to now believe that all players will receive their checks with
the requisite time for them to clear prior to the Chicago tourney?

KT will dangle those checks like a carrot so everyone shows, hope I'm
wrong though.
 
Lessee.

Today - 10/21/06
Chicago event - starts 11/26/06.

7-10 day delay = target date around three weeks before Chicago.

What check doesn't clear (if it's gonna) in three weeks?

Fun
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Calendars!
 
checks are SENT in 7-10 days, mail to Europe and Asia can take up
to two weeks, 5 business days to clear, and how much time is left for
players to plan a trip to Chicago????

This is all BEST case scenario also.
 
I'm guessing the American players will get their checks (if they do!) before the non-Americans, yes.

And I'm guessing that you're probably accurate on the 5-day clear estimate.

And I'm also guessing that the word will get out that the Americans got checks, and they cleared (or didn't get'em, or did get'em and they didn't clear) - *before* the rest get their checks - but with time enough for those folks who are sitting on the fence with regards to Chicago to make their travel plans. Meaning, if a good portion of the rest of the players got good checks, chances are THEY will too.

It helps to lay out your reasoning in your initial post, too. :P
 
I still say that the players should go to Chicago and just refuse to play until they are paid. If they receive checks at the Chicago tourney, they should make sure they are "good" checks. Maybe run to a check cashing place before their first match starts. This letter from KT just sounds like to me that he is gonna give the checks out at the Chicago tourney (if it is not cancelled) just to make sure that the players show up. JMO.

Southpaw
 
air fares from Europe?

Just out of curiosity, how much does it cost the European players to fly to Chicago and back, and including the hotel cost, what would the expense be?
 
wahcheck said:
Just out of curiosity, how much does it cost the European players to fly to Chicago and back, and including the hotel cost, what would the expense be?
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Airline ticket prices vary wildly depending on when you book vs. when you fly. The longer out you book, the cheaper they are.

Flying in the US with one day's notice, round trip, is usually around $1k.

For an international flight, getting a ticket on-the-spot would probably run in the thousands of dollars. *shudder*

Southpaw said:
If they receive checks at the Chicago tourney, they should make sure they are "good" checks. Maybe run to a check cashing place before their first match starts.
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I can see Efren wandering into a "Check Into Cash!" store with a $500,000 check. :P

Do those places even deal with checks as large as the MINIMUM payout for the Reno event? Those joints are geared to the hand-to-mouth wage-earner guys, looking to cash their Friday afternoon paycheck so they have cash to drink on that night.
 
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Some of the international players need to get their Visa's to enter the U.S. so it cannot be done a few days prior, they need to get that done at least 30 days prior to the event.
 
International cheques can take as much as 3 weeks to clear depending on amount, in my experience anyway. :confused:
 
Some of those checks would be "too large amount" to be cashed instantly. They would have to be deposited into an account.
 
chicago looks bleaker

With the doubt and suspicion caused by this constant delay of payment and rumormongering, it seems few Europeans or Asians would be prepared for the cost and trouble to fly to Chicago on time.....just looks kinda bleak to me now....
 
wahcheck said:
Just out of curiosity, how much does it cost the European players to fly to Chicago and back, and including the hotel cost, what would the expense be?
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The total, including airfare, staying at the event hotel with one roommate for 10 days plus food is about $2000. ($500-$800 for airfare, $1200/2 for hotel, $60/day for food, etc.)
 
smashmouth said:
Let's see, 7-10 days before the checks are sent right, at best?

So are we to now believe that all players will receive their checks with
the requisite time for them to clear prior to the Chicago tourney?

KT will dangle those checks like a carrot so everyone shows, hope I'm
wrong though.
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now official, no funds before Chicago

Why would you say that? Now "official" no funds before Chicago?
 
thanks

Bob Jewett said:
The total, including airfare, staying at the event hotel with one roommate for 10 days plus food is about $2000. ($500-$800 for airfare, $1200/2 for hotel, $60/day for food, etc.)
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Thanks Bob, and everyone else for your input.......I just wonder who among the players outside the US will go to the expense and trouble to attend the Chicago event now, with all that has or hasn't happened.....especially at a minimum cost of $2K....
 
Does anyone else think he is leading up to a statement that you must come to Chicago to pick up your check, thus insuring that the players attend?

A precedence for this was set last year in Orlando, when ALL players were forced to attend an event that most were not playing in, to assure their spot on the tour.

If he can get all the players together in Chicago, he can enthrall them once again with another one of his rah-rah speeches. These little pep talks are more brainwashing than anything of substance. He needs to do something to regain their allegiance. Every player I've talked to is not happy about the present situation, but trying to remain hopeful.

Ernesto was here today, and he is owed $15,000. He believes he will get paid, but is very unhappy about this long delay. He said that he would go to Chicago, since he has already purchased a plane ticket. But if he is not paid prior to the start of the event, will refuse to play.
 
jay helfert said:
Does anyone else think he is leading up to a statement that you must come to Chicago to pick up your check, thus insuring that the players attend?
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Jay that of course is quite possible......and a great deal of posters in many forums do seem to be focusing on the subject of IPT's desire to somehow ensure all the current players turn up at Chicago.

Devil's advocate time I'm afraid......I ask why? Isn't it at least possible that KT would be no more perturbed or shy about a cancellation of Chicago than he was about cancelling London?

Like London it is a members only event and has generated no revenue in the form of qualifying fees and therefore there would be no clamour from people who have paid fees to enter.If cancelled IPT saves not only a large chunk of the running expenditure and all of the prize money,a total at least approaching $2 million which they do appear from KT's own announcements to be freely admitting is money that IPT doesn't possess anyway unless some new funding is finalised and/or unless the IPT is sold.

Life would go on,with or without any card members who didn't like it.All evidence to date suggests to me that the bulk of them would accept it.Those who didn't would be replaced in a heartbeat.Those who have qualified for the published December tour card event would not give a hoot either way.

Not naysaying or doom-mongering just struggling to see why everyone is so tacitly accepting the theory that IPT are very concerned to ensure that all players attend Chicago and that it goes ahead.It seems to me that there is at least the possibility that the fact that most of us have been assuming this is the case might simply be just another succesful example of KT's well perfected ability to deflect punters attention.

To really go down the devil's advocate route isn't it also possible that a new owner might not be interested in having a large proportion of the existing tour card holders on his new tour anyway?
 
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jay helfert said:
Does anyone else think he is leading up to a statement that you must come to Chicago to pick up your check, thus insuring that the players attend?
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I've been waiting on this to happen. People have stated that they "can't do that, some of those players were there because of qualifiers and they're not playing in Chicago". My reply is that KT is a man with little conscience. It's about him & no one else... he doesn't have compassion for people like most do. He finds a way to make a quick buck and moves onto the next idea to make a quick buck when it's discovered that his last quick buck idea was a scam. Most of us wouldn't be able to sleep at night if we did this to people, but he sleeps quite well....

Yes, I think it's possible that he would require people to go to Chicago to get their checks. I'm sure they'll offer to mail the checks out to the guys that had won a spot in Reno through a qualifier but who really wants to trust them with mailing their check? They've been FedEx'ing & putting checks in the mail since Reno & still haven't managed to get one to anyone yet. :rolleyes:
 
jay helfert said:
Does anyone else think he is leading up to a statement that you must come to Chicago to pick up your check, thus insuring that the players attend?
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Jay that of course is quite possible......and a great deal of posters in many forums do seem to be focusing on the subject of IPT's desire to somehow ensure all the players turn up at Chicago.

Devil's advocate time I'm afraid......I ask why? Isn't it possible that KT would be no more perturbed or shy about a cancellation of Chicago than he was about cancelling London?

Like London it is a members only event and has generated no revenue in the form of qualifying fees.If cancelled IPT saves not only a large chunk of the runing expenditure and al of the prize money,a total at least approaching $2 million which they do appear from KT's own announcements to be freely admitting is money that they don't have anyway unless the IPT is sold.

Life would go on,with or without any card members who didn't like it.All evidence to date suggests to me that the bulk of them would accept it.Those who don't will be replaced in a heartbeat.Those who have qualified for the published December tour card event would not give a hoot either way.

Not naysaying or doom-mongering just struggling to see why evryone is so tacitly accepting the theory that IPT are very concerned to ensure that all players attend Chicago and that it goes ahead.It sems to me that there is at least the possibility that this is simply another succesful example of KT's well perfected deflection of punters attention.
 
Don't know how that second post happened,it is the original wording before edits.......please ignore the second one......and the first if you like:) .......I know it's bad enough having to read it once:D
 
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