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1pRoscoe said:
That may be so.... if you are so concerned with the "conspiracy theory" that is going on here, take him to court. Otherwise, until proof is given, all you have done is become guilty of libel.

Roscoe..understand that I'm not taking sides in this "debate" (debacle?), and not trying to contradict you. Unfortunately Jimbo is right on this point. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled several years ago that the rights to a photograph belong to the photographer from the moment the shutter is snapped. All he has to do is produce the original negative/image file as evidence that he created the photo. In order to legally use someone else's photograph, you need to be able to produce some sort of document that gives you permission to use it. Just because it is posted on the internet does NOT make it fair game. Downloading and using it is still any infringement of copyright unless you have permission from the person that owns the rights to the photo. I do photography on a professional level. One of the biggest problems that I run into is with Wedding Photography. The customer always thinks for some reason that they are entitled to the negatives or image files along with the prints when they purchase their package. Not so. I retain the rights to those images. If they want reprints, they have to come back to me and purchase them. All of my prints have imprinted on the reverse side, my copyright information. No photo lab will reproduce them from the prints because I would sue the devil out of THEM if they did. Sometimes I will SELL the negatives or image files to the customer, but usually when they hear the price, they decide it's cheaper to pay me for prints. My customers that want product photography are accustomed to this and I never get an argument from them. They buy the rights for one-time use of the images. For instance, if they want a photo for a website, they buy a one-time use agreement that entitles them to put the image on their website only. If they want to use that same image for a flyer or catalog or something like that, they have to pay again. It is not necessary to apply for a copyright for every image.
 
GeraldG said:
Roscoe..understand that I'm not taking sides in this "debate" (debacle?), and not trying to contradict you. Unfortunately Jimbo is right on this point. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled several years ago that the rights to a photograph belong to the photographer from the moment the shutter is snapped. All he has to do is produce the original negative/image file as evidence that he created the photo. In order to legally use someone else's photograph, you need to be able to produce some sort of document that gives you permission to use it. Just because it is posted on the internet does NOT make it fair game. Downloading and using it is still any infringement of copyright unless you have permission from the person that owns the rights to the photo. I do photography on a professional level. One of the biggest problems that I run into is with Wedding Photography. The customer always thinks for some reason that they are entitled to the negatives or image files along with the prints when they purchase their package. Not so. I retain the rights to those images. If they want reprints, they have to come back to me and purchase them. All of my prints have imprinted on the reverse side, my copyright information. No photo lab will reproduce them from the prints because I would sue the devil out of THEM if they did. Sometimes I will SELL the negatives or image files to the customer, but usually when they hear the price, they decide it's cheaper to pay me for prints. My customers that want product photography are accustomed to this and I never get an argument from them. They buy the rights for one-time use of the images. For instance, if they want a photo for a website, they buy a one-time use agreement that entitles them to put the image on their website only. If they want to use that same image for a flyer or catalog or something like that, they have to pay again. It is not necessary to apply for a copyright for every image.

Thanks for the info - I was unaware.... At this point, I think he has only beaten the dead horse 50' under and has irritated quite a few by not letting it go... I believe it has done more harm than good.
 
1pRoscoe said:
That may be so.... if you are so concerned with the "conspiracy theory" that is going on here, take him to court. Otherwise, until proof is given, all you have done is become guilty of libel.

1P,
You haven't seen nothing yet. Jimbo keeps spouting about truth and me lying and all he is doing is digging himself a deeper hole. I spoke the truth and as far as me not being in that conversation, he is right. BUT I am speaking to the other party of that conversation every day. Now its two stories, his and ours. Now everyone has read the two, and its time to move on. Like he said he would, but I know Jimbo and he wont. Its two people, two stories and thats it. As far as libel, don't sweat it. I have other issues to keep me busy. He keeps talking about us not being men of our words but there is way more to this story and it really is good, but I am not here to feed his ego and pour gas onto the fire. Plus its boring to hear you weren't there, you're this, you're that bla bla bla.. its the same thing every post.
I read his posts and I crack up.. they are not worth my time to answer. He makes no sense at all, gets caught in his own double talk. He thinks insulting me will get me to come out and argue, good luck pal, I am way above that.
I don't have time to argue things that cannot be proven, and I stopped arguing with people that don't sign posts. Thats my new credo.

Joe (---approaching Zen
 
1pRoscoe said:
Thanks for the info - I was unaware.... At this point, I think he has only beaten the dead horse 50' under and has irritated quite a few by not letting it go... I believe it has done more harm than good.

Oh, I agree 100% on that.
 
GeraldG said:
Roscoe..understand that I'm not taking sides in this "debate" (debacle?), and not trying to contradict you. Unfortunately Jimbo is right on this point. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled several years ago that the rights to a photograph belong to the photographer from the moment the shutter is snapped. All he has to do is produce the original negative/image file as evidence that he created the photo. In order to legally use someone else's photograph, you need to be able to produce some sort of document that gives you permission to use it. Just because it is posted on the internet does NOT make it fair game. Downloading and using it is still any infringement of copyright unless you have permission from the person that owns the rights to the photo. I do photography on a professional level. One of the biggest problems that I run into is with Wedding Photography. The customer always thinks for some reason that they are entitled to the negatives or image files along with the prints when they purchase their package. Not so. I retain the rights to those images. If they want reprints, they have to come back to me and purchase them. All of my prints have imprinted on the reverse side, my copyright information. No photo lab will reproduce them from the prints because I would sue the devil out of THEM if they did. Sometimes I will SELL the negatives or image files to the customer, but usually when they hear the price, they decide it's cheaper to pay me for prints. My customers that want product photography are accustomed to this and I never get an argument from them. They buy the rights for one-time use of the images. For instance, if they want a photo for a website, they buy a one-time use agreement that entitles them to put the image on their website only. If they want to use that same image for a flyer or catalog or something like that, they have to pay again. It is not necessary to apply for a copyright for every image.

Gerald

I rent a garage for my business.. come inside and take some photos and see where it gets you. This was a private affair, in a private business closed during business hours. You cannot ignore this fact, that is why there was an agreement in place for the photography.
Joe (---got a permit?
 
Originally Posted by 1pRoscoe
So are you going to spend the rest of your life whining about it? Dump the friend and move on. Life is too short to be the one person that everybody hates cause you don't let things go.

Lesson learned, now get over it.

JimBo said:
You are right, lesson learned, and I will move on once I feel the truth is out there, as long as Joe lies I will continue to point out the truth. As far as you or Everyone hating me goes, I'm not really here to make you my friend and I doubt you speak for everyone. It's the ignorant thinking like some here that causes me to continue until I feel I've made my point, you see idiots like you are more mad at me for posting about it then at Joe for stealing and lying, you aren't the type of person I want as a friend, but you are welcome to your opinion and I respect your right to give it:-D

Jim

I have had to learn this the hard way myself in life. I am not saying you are right or wrong but even if you are right, sometimes it is better to just drop it. I have been in the situation wear I passionately wanted to make a point and at some point I had to step back and realize everyone was going to be laughing at me or disliking me. Some people may not understand a point that one is trying to make, some others may not even want to understand, and some just like to laugh. Pick your battles wisely.
 
jimbo is misunderstood, and when i understand him, i don't really care, but he makes me laugh.
 
1pRoscoe said:
Then your friend wasn't as trustworthy as you thought, I guess.

Pics of cues are meant to be shared. If you don't want people posting your pics, I suggest you do something like this:

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hey you dirty rotten co&# @*^%er thats my mother fu#$%G piture !!!!!!

you cant just post that thing im calling the fu$#*@g copsuckers on yer ass!!!

now your in for the shizit.
 
This thread, much like the 2 proceeding it, are the biggest wastes of bandwidth in the history of the internet.

This horse is beyond dead gentleman, you can all stop beating it now....

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cueaddicts said:
Jim, I'm curious (as many others might be too), just how many of these cues pictured are yours? Sean

Sean,

That does not matter. He took the photo.

On a scale of 1 to 10, the subject is a 10.

The photo is a 6

The photographer is a 10.

As far as owning Balabushka's go, I don't know how to break this to you boys. I hope Joe and Mark are listening too...

Son, you cannot buy a bigger dick. *


Bean

- Wondering if these guys are all a little touched.

* Yet.
 
larrynj1 said:
jimbo is misunderstood, and when i understand him, i don't really care, but he makes me laugh.

I am actually growing quite fond of Jimbo*, even though he hurt my feelings by not calling ME an asshole.

Bean

* Jimbo, voted the most likely A-Z to go "Postal" after FL was banned.
 
JellyBean said:
I am actually growing quite fond of Jimbo*, even though he hurt my feelings by not calling ME an asshole.

Bean

* Jimbo, voted the most likely A-Z to go "Postal" after FL was banned.
OMG, that is classic!
:D :D :D :D
Btw, I don't think this thread wastes that much bandwidth.
I dunno but somehow I think I can weed out who's lying. :D
 
JoeyInCali said:
OMG, that is classic!
:D :D :D :D
Btw, I don't think this thread wastes that much bandwidth.
I dunno but somehow I think I can weed out who's lying. :D
I don't know about anybody else, but i'm enjoying these threads.
They are fun-ish.

Everybody should check their avatars, and make sure and give credit/ask permission :rolleyes: :D
 
JellyBean said:
I am actually growing quite fond of Jimbo*, even though he hurt my feelings by not calling ME an asshole.

Bean

* Jimbo, voted the most likely A-Z to go "Postal" after FL was banned.

bean, give him time, he can only fixate on one or two assholes at a time. he hates everyone, so he'll get to you sooner or later.
 
JoeyInCali said:
OMG, that is classic!
:D :D :D :D
Btw, I don't think this thread wastes that much bandwidth.
I dunno but somehow I think I can weed out who's lying. :D

I don't understand why you have to imply that I am lying?!

:D :)
 
classiccues said:
Gerald

I rent a garage for my business.. come inside and take some photos and see where it gets you. This was a private affair, in a private business closed during business hours. You cannot ignore this fact, that is why there was an agreement in place for the photography.
Joe (---got a permit?


Joe,
I understand your point and in this case, I agree with you. However, legal is legal and unless there is a written agreement somewhere, whoever took the pictures and has the originals owns the rights to them. I didn't make up the laws, that's just the way it is....and I'm just telling you what I know. I'm not trying to make you angry and I'm not taking sides in this issue. If I came into your garage and took photos of your cues, I own the photos no matter who owns the garage or the cues. If the photos were of YOU and taken on private property, the HE would have to have a model release from you to use them for his purposes. He would, however, still own the rights to the images. If I came into your garage with the understanding that I was taking photos of your cues for you as a favor to you, then there is no issue. I turn over the photos (originals and all) to you to use as you please.
 
Rackin_Zack said:
I don't understand why you have to imply that I am lying?!

:D :)
Yeah!
You lying Zack of Shait!!!! :D
Sorry, couldn't resist. :p
Btw, my Avatar is a TRADEMARKED! :D
 
GeraldG said:
Joe,
I understand your point and in this case, I agree with you. However, legal is legal and unless there is a written agreement somewhere, whoever took the pictures and has the originals owns the rights to them. I didn't make up the laws, that's just the way it is....and I'm just telling you what I know. I'm not trying to make you angry and I'm not taking sides in this issue. If I came into your garage and took photos of your cues, I own the photos no matter who owns the garage or the cues. If the photos were of YOU and taken on private property, the HE would have to have a model release from you to use them for his purposes. He would, however, still own the rights to the images. If I came into your garage with the understanding that I was taking photos of your cues for you as a favor to you, then there is no issue. I turn over the photos (originals and all) to you to use as you please.

What about digital photography? Is it whoever has the original images since there is no negative or whatever?! Also, just out of curiosity, what if the picture was not appoved, i.e. someone takes a picture of my cue without my approval and spreads it around the internet or whatever?
 
larrynj1 said:
bean, give him time, he can only fixate on one or two assholes at a time. he hates everyone, so he'll get to you sooner or later.

Larry-O,

The question I have is this:

If there were 14 Meucci's lined up, with their shamelessly coated wrap and plastic designery stuff, would Joe and Jimbo be fightin' over this picture?

I don't think so. Balabushka's do something strange to a man.

Bean
 
Jedi V Man said:
This thread, much like the 2 proceeding it, are the biggest wastes of bandwidth in the history of the internet.

This horse is beyond dead gentleman, you can all stop beating it now....

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Yeah.. but you read every one of them :)

Its like a train wreck.. no matter how gruesome.. you have to look...

Joe
 
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