Was wondering about the OB break cues.
Anyone here own one?
Would like more feedback
Anyone here own one?
Would like more feedback
OB break cues.
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I used to have an x-breaker.
then switched to a mezz power break 2...
now my buddy tells me the ob break cue hits em really well...
any opinions?
I used to have an x-breaker.
then switched to a mezz power break 2...
now my buddy tells me the ob break cue hits em really well...
any opinions?
how does it differ from the ob-1 and ob-2 ? i have both and was thinking of getting just a shaft if they offer it by itself for my Huebler j/b
carl
carl
OB break cues
The OB Break Shaft is also a segmented shaft (like the OB-1 & OB-2), but with a much stiffer taper. It also has the same type maple ferrule .
The Samsara Break Tip is super hard, but much more forgiving than a phenolic tip if you slightly mis-hit the cueball. The shaft alone is available in different joint sizes for the same price as the OB-1 or OB-2. I rep. OB cues and have it in stock. I've used it since it came on the market. It plays GREAT !
The OB Break Shaft is also a segmented shaft (like the OB-1 & OB-2), but with a much stiffer taper. It also has the same type maple ferrule .
The Samsara Break Tip is super hard, but much more forgiving than a phenolic tip if you slightly mis-hit the cueball. The shaft alone is available in different joint sizes for the same price as the OB-1 or OB-2. I rep. OB cues and have it in stock. I've used it since it came on the market. It plays GREAT !
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First, Thanks to all those who posted about their experiences with our Break Cues and Break Shafts!
The primary motivation behind our Break Cue and Break Shafts is that Low Cue Ball Deflection is HUGE on the break! With LD, you hit pack square more often, and lose the cue ball less.
The Break Shaft is actually built exactly like our OB-1 and OB-2 playing shafts! The taper is obviously different, and the core is the same smaller core like the OB-2. The shaft is 13mm at the tip, and is much stiffer than our other shafts. Partly due to the core being smaller and also due to the taper being a little fatter in the middle. We wanted a taper that was very stiff, but did not "Jam Up" in your bridge. It worked out very well. We also use the Samsara Break Tip, which is leather and legal in the BCA, but also provides a solid hit with excellent control.
The Break Cue, obviously uses the Break Shaft, but there are some differences in the handle itself.
First, the handle uses quad 4 construction. Basically, 4 pieces of flat laminated maple glued into a 4 square pattern with the laminations opposed. (see the website)
Second, the Break Cue handle uses a "Compound" or "Barrel" taper. This taper keeps the handle much thicker in the middle where flex can rob you of power. We finish it with a clean high gloss black finish and our signature ring in the butt cap.
Take a look at our website, www.obcues.com. The break cue is right on the front page. Just click on it for more information.
We are building the Break Cue handle in house. Currently, we only have the wrapless model available, but should have wraps available soon.
Thanks!
Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
The primary motivation behind our Break Cue and Break Shafts is that Low Cue Ball Deflection is HUGE on the break! With LD, you hit pack square more often, and lose the cue ball less.
The Break Shaft is actually built exactly like our OB-1 and OB-2 playing shafts! The taper is obviously different, and the core is the same smaller core like the OB-2. The shaft is 13mm at the tip, and is much stiffer than our other shafts. Partly due to the core being smaller and also due to the taper being a little fatter in the middle. We wanted a taper that was very stiff, but did not "Jam Up" in your bridge. It worked out very well. We also use the Samsara Break Tip, which is leather and legal in the BCA, but also provides a solid hit with excellent control.
The Break Cue, obviously uses the Break Shaft, but there are some differences in the handle itself.
First, the handle uses quad 4 construction. Basically, 4 pieces of flat laminated maple glued into a 4 square pattern with the laminations opposed. (see the website)
Second, the Break Cue handle uses a "Compound" or "Barrel" taper. This taper keeps the handle much thicker in the middle where flex can rob you of power. We finish it with a clean high gloss black finish and our signature ring in the butt cap.
Take a look at our website, www.obcues.com. The break cue is right on the front page. Just click on it for more information.
We are building the Break Cue handle in house. Currently, we only have the wrapless model available, but should have wraps available soon.
Thanks!
Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
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Royce, I have a question about what you say here.
On a normal break shot, the player usually tries to hit on the vertical axis of the cue ball rather than trying to apply side english. Because of the force of the stroke, however, he often does hit left or right of center. In essence, the player is unintentionally applying back-hand english to the cue ball.
If that is true, wouldn't we want a break shaft that has a pivot point at the spot where the bridge hand is placed? Then, the unintentional application of back-hand english during the break shot would result in squirt compensation that still sends the cue ball in the direction originally intended.
If the OB Break Shaft is low deflection, then presumably its pivot point is farther from the tip than the pivot point would be on a regular maple shaft. So I would guess that most people, in breaking with the OB Break Shaft, would have their bridge hand at a point that is closer to the tip than the pivot point of the shaft.
The result is that a break shot that is lined up on the center axis of the cue ball but is hit off-center on the cue ball will not have a normal back-hand-english type of squirt compensation. That is, it will not go where the breaker was intending, but, instead, will essentially be "over-compensated" for squirt and will go to the left of the target if the cue ball is hit left of center or to the right of the target if the cue ball is hit right of center.
These comments, of course, apply to any low-squirt shaft used for breaking.
Or is it possible, because of the construction and taper of the OB Break Shaft, that its pivot point is actually more forward than on other low-squirt shafts and that it, therefore, behaves more like a regular-squirt shaft?
My thinking would be that a low-squirt shaft is an advantage on the break for players who, for whatever reason, cannot or do not line up on the center axis of the cue ball (even though they want to) but do stroke straight back and through. But a low-squirt shaft is a disadvantage for players who can find the center axis but unintentionally apply english because of the force of the stroke.
I'd appreciate hearing your views on this.
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Atlarge,
That sounds very logical!
However, back hand english is a little different. Basically, you have to stroke on a different line that what you originally lined up on for it to work. If you are twisting as you go through the ball, then allot of variables come into play.
On the break, when you are hitting the cue ball hard, it's very easy to miss the center. If you are still on the line you setup on, but move slightly to one side or the other, then you have squirt, and miss the solid square hit on the front ball.
I know this is kind of splitting hairs, but it does explain why it works so well. The results speak for themselves! With LD break cues, you just tend to hit the rack right on the front many more times. I have watched cue ball flying all over the place, and then, when they switched to an LD break cue, they almost never lose the cue ball. I know that for me, I can control the cue ball much better. The only problem I have is sometimes I get too confident and try to hit them too hard. Of course, you can still lose the cue ball if you completely lose control.
Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
That sounds very logical!
However, back hand english is a little different. Basically, you have to stroke on a different line that what you originally lined up on for it to work. If you are twisting as you go through the ball, then allot of variables come into play.
On the break, when you are hitting the cue ball hard, it's very easy to miss the center. If you are still on the line you setup on, but move slightly to one side or the other, then you have squirt, and miss the solid square hit on the front ball.
I know this is kind of splitting hairs, but it does explain why it works so well. The results speak for themselves! With LD break cues, you just tend to hit the rack right on the front many more times. I have watched cue ball flying all over the place, and then, when they switched to an LD break cue, they almost never lose the cue ball. I know that for me, I can control the cue ball much better. The only problem I have is sometimes I get too confident and try to hit them too hard. Of course, you can still lose the cue ball if you completely lose control.
Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
OB Cues makes a great Break Cue. Column strength in the shaft is "must have", if you want the Cue to stand up under brutal work & especially if you want the Cue Ball to do your bidding. Don't use your Play Cue to break with. Special tools are made for special jobs.
Royce, you are right on target. "On the break, when you are hitting the cue ball hard, it's very easy to miss the center. If you are still on the line you setup on, but move slightly to one side or the other, then you have squirt, and miss the solid square hit on the front ball."
The Break Shot "STROKE" isn't practiced very much, so the use of "lots of moving body parts" equates to miss-hits & loss of power. NOTE: if there weren't any Driving Ranges for Golf Players to practice, Pro-Golf wouldn't exist. Folks would NOT go to a Golf Tournament, to watch guys hit the golf ball, all over the lot. Now that we know the Break Shot is an asset to anyone's game, get yourself a great Break Cue. The Break Shot is the corridor, that we all pass through, to win the next game.
Royce, you are right on target. "On the break, when you are hitting the cue ball hard, it's very easy to miss the center. If you are still on the line you setup on, but move slightly to one side or the other, then you have squirt, and miss the solid square hit on the front ball."
The Break Shot "STROKE" isn't practiced very much, so the use of "lots of moving body parts" equates to miss-hits & loss of power. NOTE: if there weren't any Driving Ranges for Golf Players to practice, Pro-Golf wouldn't exist. Folks would NOT go to a Golf Tournament, to watch guys hit the golf ball, all over the lot. Now that we know the Break Shot is an asset to anyone's game, get yourself a great Break Cue. The Break Shot is the corridor, that we all pass through, to win the next game.
If you're not hitting where you're aiming when you stroke, then fix your stroke. The cue won't fix it for you.
RBC
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Well Ball Banger, you are right!
But, we are all human, so who's to say the equipment can't help a little. You can always work on your stroke too!
I know John Schmidt is one of the best players on the planet, and he doesn't hit the spot he is aiming for every time.
Not only that, when you are comfortable and confident, you find it easier to hit that exact spot you are aiming for. Fear is a stroke killer, but knowing your equipment is on your side gives you more confidence.
In the end, you don't have to use equipment that helps you. But remember, your opponent just might not feel the same way!
Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
But, we are all human, so who's to say the equipment can't help a little. You can always work on your stroke too!
I know John Schmidt is one of the best players on the planet, and he doesn't hit the spot he is aiming for every time.
Not only that, when you are comfortable and confident, you find it easier to hit that exact spot you are aiming for. Fear is a stroke killer, but knowing your equipment is on your side gives you more confidence.
In the end, you don't have to use equipment that helps you. But remember, your opponent just might not feel the same way!
Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
Royce I wasn't implying that your products aren't good products. Hell, I use an OB-1 shaft and love it. Also, by no means is my stroke perfect (but I am always trying to improve it).
RBC
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