OB1 + Superpro Tip

mooseman

mooseman

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A little background.....

I tried an OB1 shaft for the first time a couple of years ago at the BCAPL nationals. What a great shaft. Unfortunately I did not purchase one at that time because I would need a partial and have Wes Hunter fit it because of his unique pin size (3/8 x 8).

Last year at the nationals I finally picked one up from the OB1 booth. This time I was going to use it with my Sugartree (3/8 x 10 pin). The demos in the booth shot lights out and felt great. My goal was to have a shaft that I could use on an old sneaky when I travel.

Anyway I didn't pull it out until earlier this year to start playing with. Was I surprised. All I can say is it was DEAD with about zero feedback to what I was used to. Don't get me wrong it spun the ball great I just didn't get any feedback and didn't like the dead feeling.

My OB1 came with the Talisman Medium tip standard. After thinking about it I came to the conclusion that the reason the demos played so crisp was the tips must have hardened due to the amount of play. As such I went ahead and cut the talisman in half. Suddenly I had more feedback. Still not what I'm currently used to though.

I talked with Royce at the nationals again this year. He advised they now used Everest tips standard versus the Talisman. He didn't really go into detail why.

Anyway I finally decided to try something myself. I went ahead and changed out the talisman with a Superpro tip. I shot with it for the first time last night. What a difference!!! I get a TON of feedback. Actually the tip is now too hard as I should have expected using a superpro. I'm still going to play around with it but at least I get the feedback that I want.

I will probably stick with the standard shafts that came with my Sugartree but my goal again was to find something to use on a cheap cue for when I travel. HMMMMMMNNNN....you know I might try a milk dud and see how well that works on an OB1. Has anyone else had the same experience?
 
I would also like a little harder tip on my OB1. I am experimenting with my OB1on my Schon, which has a very hard hit with the original shaft. I'm trying to figure out which tip I can put on the OB1 to make it closer to the Schon shaft. This may not be possible, but Royce if you're listening or reading, what do you think. Is the shaft designed not to feel hard?

JED
 
Again my OB1 came with the Talisman as standard. Per Royce, they are now using Everests as standard. That might be the place to start. Of course if you have the Everest then it's a mute point.

For hard tips I now use the Superpro (per Qbilder's recommendation). I also like the Hercules. Of course with any tip this hard you have to stroke the CB or you will miscue fairly easily.....
 
mooseman said:
Again my OB1 came with the Talisman as standard. Per Royce, they are now using Everests as standard. That might be the place to start. Of course if you have the Everest then it's a mute point.

For hard tips I now use the Superpro (per Qbilder's recommendation). I also like the Hercules. Of course with any tip this hard you have to stroke the CB or you will miscue fairly easily.....
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I have an OB1 with Talisman and I have one with Everest. To me, they feel about the same; I can't tell much difference. The reason they switched, so I'm told, is that the Talisman tips where delaminating too much.

jED
 
Mooseman and jed1894,

Thanks for trying the OB-1!

I gather from your posts that when you talk about less feedback you are talking about the "Ping" you get from most conventional shafts. Unlike the Schon, you don't get that from the OB-1. I have to tell you that the OB-1 is quiet by design.

The OB-1 uses a vibration dampening core to reduce the shock wave, or sound wave, vibrations that run up and down the length of the cue when you hit the cue ball. The OB-1 does not dampen the lateral vibrations that come from the actual bending of the cue and shaft when the cue ball is struck off center.

The "Ping", or sound wave vibrations are nothing more than noise. The lateral vibrations are the true feed back that tells you what happened in the hit. I too was used to that "Ping" before we developed the OB-1. I did find, however, that that "Ping" was nothing more than noise. After I had played with the OB-1 for a day or two I really started to appreciate the true feed back I was getting. It's kind of like hitting a baseball in the meat of that bat, or like hitting the golf ball in the "sweet spot" of your favorite driver. You get a pure hit with nothing extra covering up the true feedback.

So, to those of you who have just hit a few balls and felt that it was "dead", you owe it to yourself to give it a real try!

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
 
RBC said:
Mooseman and jed1894,

Thanks for trying the OB-1!

I gather from your posts that when you talk about less feedback you are talking about the "Ping" you get from most conventional shafts. Unlike the Schon, you don't get that from the OB-1. I have to tell you that the OB-1 is quiet by design.

The OB-1 uses a vibration dampening core to reduce the shock wave, or sound wave, vibrations that run up and down the length of the cue when you hit the cue ball. The OB-1 does not dampen the lateral vibrations that come from the actual bending of the cue and shaft when the cue ball is struck off center.

The "Ping", or sound wave vibrations are nothing more than noise. The lateral vibrations are the true feed back that tells you what happened in the hit. I too was used to that "Ping" before we developed the OB-1. I did find, however, that that "Ping" was nothing more than noise. After I had played with the OB-1 for a day or two I really started to appreciate the true feed back I was getting. It's kind of like hitting a baseball in the meat of that bat, or like hitting the golf ball in the "sweet spot" of your favorite driver. You get a pure hit with nothing extra covering up the true feedback.

So, to those of you who have just hit a few balls and felt that it was "dead", you owe it to yourself to give it a real try!

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
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Explained that way does make sense. I'm definitely giving it an honest try before leagues start back up.

As I mentioned before the only difference I found between the one I purchased from you and the demo ones I tried was I could feel (possibly hear) the hit. I just didn't get that when I first tried shooting with your shaft. In fairness I didn't really give it an honest period to get used to it. I guess I need some ping to know I actually hit the CB....;)

Thanks for the explanation....
 
RBC said:
Mooseman and jed1894,

Thanks for trying the OB-1!

I gather from your posts that when you talk about less feedback you are talking about the "Ping" you get from most conventional shafts. Unlike the Schon, you don't get that from the OB-1. I have to tell you that the OB-1 is quiet by design.

The OB-1 uses a vibration dampening core to reduce the shock wave, or sound wave, vibrations that run up and down the length of the cue when you hit the cue ball. The OB-1 does not dampen the lateral vibrations that come from the actual bending of the cue and shaft when the cue ball is struck off center.

The "Ping", or sound wave vibrations are nothing more than noise. The lateral vibrations are the true feed back that tells you what happened in the hit. I too was used to that "Ping" before we developed the OB-1. I did find, however, that that "Ping" was nothing more than noise. After I had played with the OB-1 for a day or two I really started to appreciate the true feed back I was getting. It's kind of like hitting a baseball in the meat of that bat, or like hitting the golf ball in the "sweet spot" of your favorite driver. You get a pure hit with nothing extra covering up the true feedback.

So, to those of you who have just hit a few balls and felt that it was "dead", you owe it to yourself to give it a real try!

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
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Thanks for the reply Royce.....

My main interest, if possible, is trying to get my tips as close as I can for consistency. My OB1s have Everest and Talisman. My other playing cues have Moori, Triangle and the Schon tip. After researching the issue, I don't think I need to change the OB1 combination unless a Triangle tip would make the hit a little harder. The other thing to try is putting a Everest on my Joss and Schon shafts.

Have you heard any responses from the Triangle tip on the OB1 shaft? Have you actually tested/tried the Triangle on the OB1?

thanks, JED
 
jed1894 said:
I have an OB1 with Talisman and I have one with Everest. To me, they feel about the same; I can't tell much difference. The reason they switched, so I'm told, is that the Talisman tips where delaminating too much.

jED
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A talisman tip delaminating?!? NO... Sorry talisman lovers, but i've never played with one of their tips that i liked. And i've seen many of them delaminate.

Try Kumai mediums, i play with them on my ob-1 and love it.

I've also played with snippers and loved them too.
 
jed1894,

Sorry for the slow reply! I just got back to AZ.

You can certainly try the Triangle on your OB-1. Triangles are good tips, but I think the quality layered tips are better. They tend to be much more consistent. We have absolutely fell in love with the Everest. I do like the Talisman, but the Everest is a dream to work with. Extremely consistent and they do hit a little harder than the Talisman.

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
 
cbi1000 said:
A talisman tip delaminating?!? NO... Sorry talisman lovers, but i've never played with one of their tips that i liked. And i've seen many of them delaminate.

Try Kumai mediums, i play with them on my ob-1 and love it.

I've also played with snippers and loved them too.
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I feel the same. Ive said in that kamui thread that talismans were the worst tips ive ever tried. Everest being my favorite
 
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