Obvious foul......
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Normally, in a money game or most other situations I call stuff on myself. Golf was my previous obsession and its a part of the game.
On the other hand, in a casual game with a buddy who feels the need to update his stupid facetwitter while I'm shooting...I let him struggle with the position and after he shoots I just mention to him that I was surprised he didn't move the cue that last time since he had ball in hand.
Sorry.....I didn't notice this was so old. Sometimes I see someone post something incredibly stupid and I have to search their previous posts to see if it's a pattern or maybe just a recent head injury....and then I forget where I am and reply.
On the other hand, in a casual game with a buddy who feels the need to update his stupid facetwitter while I'm shooting...I let him struggle with the position and after he shoots I just mention to him that I was surprised he didn't move the cue that last time since he had ball in hand.
Sorry.....I didn't notice this was so old. Sometimes I see someone post something incredibly stupid and I have to search their previous posts to see if it's a pattern or maybe just a recent head injury....and then I forget where I am and reply.
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What if your sitting and he's blocking your view. My opponent had his back to me and fouled last week. My partner saw the foul but I couldn't. He double hit the cue ball. Anyone who says they didn't know when they double hit the cue ball isn't telling the truth. I would have called it on myself. I always do. It's only pool, right?
I call fouls on myself. Was in a hill hill game and my opponent shot the six with the five on the table playing 9 ball. I knew he was playing the wrong ball and didn't tell him. Not sure what's right or wrong but I felt bad. However that's his mistake. I tell players now. How about when your playing someone and there was an obvious foul. You approach the table and have to ask them because they never told you and walked back to their seat. Always wanted to get down on the shot then ask. Just to see what kind of person my opponent was. I don't play with cheaters,
This is always a loaded question .. but as always my answer stays the same.
no I don't ... you should be paying attention to the game and what's going on. It's your job to call the foul. As I've also said before I will NEVER lie about it. If you call a foul or even ask me unsure I will always tell the truth. Everyone is different but I feel no guilt winning this way nor am I angry at my opponent if I lose because I missed a foul.
no I don't ... you should be paying attention to the game and what's going on. It's your job to call the foul. As I've also said before I will NEVER lie about it. If you call a foul or even ask me unsure I will always tell the truth. Everyone is different but I feel no guilt winning this way nor am I angry at my opponent if I lose because I missed a foul.
I played a guy one night who was doing exactly that, only texting.
I got tired of waiting for him to shoot, packed up my cues, went to the bar and paid my half. Only at that point did he notice I was missing from the table and came to the bar to ask me why I was leaving.
That particular night, I could have put balls in by hand, shot the 8 in and he wouldn't have noticed. Thinking back, I should have ran out a couple of times like that for funzies.
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Well...if it's not ball in hand, then the opponent would have to check the table to see if he has a shot.
If he don't have a shot he can elect to say "keep shooting.":grin:
Believe it or not, this one happened at World 9-Ball Pool Championships, and they are world class players to booth!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja9y8Lv_A1s
What was the ratio of people who said thanks, good looking out vs the people mother f ing you.
There is no "Correct" answer here so if you're looking for guidance, then you simply have to ask yourself what makes sense to you.
Don't be disillusioned by all the players responding here who wish to make this about "Integrity" or convince you that "No matter how you look at it it's cheating".
Throw all that bunk out the window.
They have their own way of seeing the world which may not be the same for everyone else. They're simply responding with what makes sense to them.
There is no Universal moral code that everyone must comply with. The fact that threads related to "self calling fouls" always incite a tremendous amount of activity is proof that there is a huge variation in the interpretation.
If there is any universal resource to rely upon for this game then it's the RULES. if the rules don't tell you what must be done, then obviously, it's upon your own discretion.
Incidentally....there is a reason that the rules do not require you to call a foul upon yourself. So use your own reasoning when addressing this question.
Everything we think, including all the moral issues are relative to the context of the situation.
Your opponent is responsible for participating in the game. If he's distracted, off buying a beer, going to the bathroom, talking with friends etc. and doesn't see the foul, why should you be penalized for his lack of participation.
On the other hand, if your moral compass has been programmed to believe that your opponent should always be informed regardless of the context....then follow that.
I can promise you, many of the responses on this thread who claim it's about integrity, would sell their grandmother under the right conditions.
Don't fall into the morality trap.....think for yourself.
Don't be disillusioned by all the players responding here who wish to make this about "Integrity" or convince you that "No matter how you look at it it's cheating".
Throw all that bunk out the window.
They have their own way of seeing the world which may not be the same for everyone else. They're simply responding with what makes sense to them.
There is no Universal moral code that everyone must comply with. The fact that threads related to "self calling fouls" always incite a tremendous amount of activity is proof that there is a huge variation in the interpretation.
If there is any universal resource to rely upon for this game then it's the RULES. if the rules don't tell you what must be done, then obviously, it's upon your own discretion.
Incidentally....there is a reason that the rules do not require you to call a foul upon yourself. So use your own reasoning when addressing this question.
Everything we think, including all the moral issues are relative to the context of the situation.
Your opponent is responsible for participating in the game. If he's distracted, off buying a beer, going to the bathroom, talking with friends etc. and doesn't see the foul, why should you be penalized for his lack of participation.
On the other hand, if your moral compass has been programmed to believe that your opponent should always be informed regardless of the context....then follow that.
I can promise you, many of the responses on this thread who claim it's about integrity, would sell their grandmother under the right conditions.
Don't fall into the morality trap.....think for yourself.
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This makes me laugh. Ok if I'm just playing to have fun then I always call my own fouls! But if playing for money or at state tournament, it's you to know the rules. If I miss something when your playing that my fault. Too many times have I been cool offered up my foul in a match to have the other team or player not to so the same latter in the match or set and it end up costing us the match. Now with that being said at the end of the set or match I do try and get with the person that the foul happened with and tell them hey you missed a foul call in that match. And explain why and how, I'm not an a$$ I like to help people but I'm not putting my teammates at a disadvantage because you are careless or don't know the rules.
I may be wrong but I don't think it's a question of moral's. It's a question about integrity of the game. By most rules your are responsible to call a foul on yourself. You don't need to be asked. Once you commit a foul you are obligated to tell your opponent. Lets say your opponent is watching. Do you only tell them you fouled if they are watching? Do you only tell them you fouled if they ask? Do you do like most players after a foul give your acknowledgment either verbally or by physically moving the cue ball. Oh and a comment like selling out grandmothers says enough about you and not players with morals.
Anytime you attempt to infuse principles of "right" and "wrong"...."honesty" or "integrity" you are applying morals.
Definition of Integrity: adherence to moral or ethical values.
Who's definition of right or wrong applies? Who's interpretation of "Integrity" sets the standard.
BTW, there is no rule that states you have to call a foul on yourself. I can't understand why so many players believe this misnomer.
Definition of Integrity: adherence to moral or ethical values.
Who's definition of right or wrong applies? Who's interpretation of "Integrity" sets the standard.
BTW, there is no rule that states you have to call a foul on yourself. I can't understand why so many players believe this misnomer.
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