Obvious foul......

[move the rock]

Always be honest. How would you like to lose a match based on a foul you missed only to find out later. Ball in hand is a pretty big deal to an "A" player it will almost always mean a run out. Karma is a biotch man. If you play dirty it will come back to you 10 fold. Treat others the way you want to be treated and never take your eyes off the green while your in a match.

 

[DelaWho???]

I will always call my own fouls, and I will stand by my "close" hits and defend the shot if I am sure it was a good hit. What I will not do is pick the cue ball off of the table and hand it to you. I fouled, my turn is over. What you do with the cue ball is your business. I have told players they have ball in hand on several occasions and they play it where it lays for whatever reason. I even have had situations where I've told the player they had ball in hand multiple times and have seen that player address the ball and try a hero shot because they were hooked where the ball is laying. If I tell you it's ball in hand before I walk away from the table and then again from the chair if you are addressing the ball like you didn't hear me the first time, my responsibility is over.

I don't have what anyone would consider to be a quiet voice. Tell you twice and it's up to you.

 

[MOJOE]

I call it on myself, no questions.. If you choose not to, Karma is a beyotch!!

 

[KRJ]

Hmmmmm

rj i understand your point,i am talking about gambling,not pool league nite,as i said above about 1pocket and very close hits,maybe iam just old school cause in my time i seen the best players playing one and other for large amounts and never have i seen an old great player call a foul on himself in a close sitution without the other player questioning the hit!rj u have ur view and i have mine and i respect yours,but just because i dont call fouls on my self that does not make me a cheater,ask some of the older players on 1pocket org, then u would understand where i am coming from,but if not,u r still my az brother take care and have a good nite RJ!

Dude, when did you EVER mention you were talking about gambling?? This entire thread started due to a ref mistake in a tourney.

Great, some old timers didn't call a foul.. their still cheats. Maybe rich cheats, but cheats still the same. I don't have to ask the players on 1P org because I grew up in my fathers pool room, and know exactly what happened, and which folks were the honorable gamblers (few) and which ones were the cheats (most).

The reasons I don't shoot pool for money is because I don't need the money and I mean that in the sense that winning an extra hundo or a grand is not going to affect my life one iota but mabye the other guy needs it to pay his rent??

So, then I subject myself to possibley getting cheated, and I don't know what I would do if I was playing for money and I needed it to feed my family... mabye I'd cheat too. Who knows? But I'd still be a cheater if I did it for a noble cause?

But this is really about tourney's and leagues. Call your foul.... and I don't exactly call it, I just pick up the cueball and hand it to him.

And yes, if you don't call a foul on yourself "hoping" to get away with it, then you are in fact a cheater. Does not make you a rotten person.... NO, just a lil cheater. I really hate those guys in leagues..... we don't have many in our leagues, but the few that we do are annoying and everyone knows who they are !! And the guys that don't call it on themselves , even if you ask they will deny it as well. Not all, but most !

 

[KRJ]

Hmmmm

SIR thank you,this here is exactly what iam trying to say!thank you.

Dude, we all know what you have been trying to say. We don't need validation from another cheater to cofirm it. Well done though. You are not alone at all in your thought process. We have a few guys like you in every league I ever played in....so you are not alone, just in the minority.

Seriously, you will warn your opponent that he is hitting the wrong ball, but if he turns his back you would cheat him?? hmmmm

If I'm playing chess and move my opponents piece when goes to get a drink and if he does not notice it, then I guess it was not a "foul" and he accepts the board as is because he didn't ask me if I moved any pieces and thus we continue to the game, right? just saying

 

[flash5153]

Dude, we all know what you have been trying to say. We don't need validation from another cheater to cofirm it. Well done though. You are not alone at all in your thought process. We have a few guys like you in every league I ever played in....so you are not alone, just in the minority.

Seriously, you will warn your opponent that he is hitting the wrong ball, but if he turns his back you would cheat him?? hmmmm

If I'm playing chess and move my opponents piece when goes to get a drink and if he does not notice it, then I guess it was not a "foul" and he accepts the board as is because he didn't ask me if I moved any pieces and thus we continue to the game, right? just saying

LMAO,,,don't call me a cheater. You bumped your head. Did you even read the post??

Im not talking about league play,,although people should be paying attention to the game,, it is for learning pool and really means nothing. If you want to be in a league and learn how to play BIH pool and you don't pay attention and mis a few(BIHs) You will learn fast.

But when your in a tournament you know you need to watch and I don't need to babysit you. If you are paying enough attention and think it might have been a bad hit,,call a ref before,,or if after ask me and will tell my honest opinion.

Your comparison on chess is asinine. The topic is more like this.

If we are playing chess and I see a move,,for you ,that will put me in check mate and I don't tell you until later.. You will call me a cheater,,, because you wasn't paying attention and not skilled enough to notice.

Stay in the leagues your not ready for anything else.

 

[Tom In Cincy]

I was asked about what happens when you accidently move a ball after the shot was made and the ball didn't come into play of the shot.

I told them that the opponent has the option of leaving the ball where it is or placing it in the area where he thinks it was.

The player asking me the question, also asked what if the ball was placed on the table in a different place?

The ball moved was the next ball in the rotation game. It was placed near (about an inch or so) the original position, but in such a way to make the shot way more difficult than the orginal position.

The shooter said the ball was easily makable but now it was very difficult. He pleaded and asked for a better position. I asked (which is my right as a TD) if anyone else could back up the shooter's opinion. No one did.

The shooter asked what can he do. I told him to start a list of players that will take advantage of the rules, and make sure you have a large note book.

 

[gunzby]

I played in a tournament the other day where my opponent tried to play safe and neither the OB or CB hit the rail, but both were very near the rail. The OB lined straight in about an inch away from the 9 to go into the corner. Had I not turned around right at that moment I wouldn't of noticed it and he also just happened to not say a word. I grabbed the CB and yes I was slightly peeved that he didn't call the foul on himself.

Later on in the match he played a safe on the 9 ball where the he left the CB and 9 about frozen. I played to bank it a little jacked up and when I made the hit the CB came back immediately to wiff at my pinky. I called the foul on myself to lose the match. Two wrongs don't make a right.

I shook his hand and he was all smiles saying it was a great match and complimented me on seeing the foul that he didn't call on himself, adding that most people don't catch it. I will have to watch him like a hawk the next time I face him. I could have won by not calling the foul on myself, but it still wouldn't be a win. I would rather lose fair than win through shady terms.

 

[millcityfats]

I think it comes down to the person your playing. I've played 100% gentleman for a decent amount of cash, and I treated them with the same respect they gave me, I called my own fouls. Then again I have played complete pompous asses who never called their own, had no table etiquette (grabbing chalk while your down on a shot, making sudden movements in your line of sight.. typical sharking) and I NEVER called my own fouls, if they weren't paying attention it was their problem not mine. It would force them to pay 100% attention to every shot, as they should anyway when playing for money. I myself, doesn't matter who I am playing when money is on the table, each and every shot has my 100% attention.

 

[ignomirello]

If I would have gotten up from my seat Things would have been different

There was several mistakes made in that scenario. First,,hill/hill he is on the 8 and you couldn't see the shot!! I would have moved for a better view,,no question about it.
2nd. Since you didn't see what happened.(not sure if was a close hit or what foul) But did you ask him if it was a good hit??

I am very honest ,,,,and I don't think it is his job to tell you that he made a foul in that situation ,,unless you ask!!

I had a situation in a team event,2 games left,mine is one,,,very important games. My opponent shooting at 2 ball down table is hooked by 8 ball. He has to mass'e around it slightly.
I'm watching and both teams are watching. He shoots,,hits, but misses the 2,,,,,,but I seen the 8 wiggle from the cue on the way by!He walked away from the table.

When I say wiggle ,,I mean very very small !! I was the only one other than him that seen it move and there was 16 eyes on the shot.He didn't say a thing and this was a matter of the win or loss for his team . (Cue was hooked for me)

I walked over to him and asked if the 8 ball wiggled in front of everyone. He said all choked up,,," I did not feel obligated ,at this point, to say anything,but YES it did, you have BIH"

I really don't blame him for not saying anything until I asked,but Im glad he was honest about it. Did he break any rules? NO!! Did he cheat?? NO! I give him allot of respect for that.

OK The rules state that if I would have gotten up from my seat It could have been called a consession.
I didn't get up so it's my fault. But there is also a rule for unsportmanlike conduct. Listen the match is not that important & the Tournament Director is a great guy. (he had 55 players & only 12 tables). So why even bother him about something like that at the time But it does ruin the integrity of the game. Thats why I will pick up the cue ball or steer it with my shaft telling my opponet it's a foul.

 

[flash5153]

OK The rules state that if I would have gotten up from my seat It could have been called a consession.
I didn't get up so it's my fault. But there is also a rule for unsportmanlike conduct. Listen the match is not that important & the Tournament Director is a great guy. (he had 55 players & only 12 tables). So why even bother him about something like that at the time But it does ruin the integrity of the game. Thats why I will pick up the cue ball or steer it with my shaft telling my opponet it's a foul.

I have never been in a tournament where I can't get out of a certain chair. You got me on that,,I don't quite understand . If so,,there should be a ref to watch game and call all fouls,,but whatever??

Don't get me wrong. There is nothing wrong with telling opponent its BIH. I've done it many many times. But I don't think its cheating if you do not,,,,as long as ,,if he asks,,,,,, you tell the truth.

I have had more people Not say BIH to me than I have to them. All I/they need do is ask about it and its all good,,BIH. I just don't see it as cheating.

 

[u12armresl]

These posts pop up a lot and the answer is usually the same, if you gotta ask then...

 

[ignomirello]

I have never been in a tournament where I can't get out of a certain chair. You got me on that,,I don't quite understand . If so,,there should be a ref to watch game and call all fouls,,but whatever??

Don't get me wrong. There is nothing wrong with telling opponent its BIH. I've done it many many times. But I don't think its cheating if you do not,,,,as long as ,,if he asks,,,,,, you tell the truth.

I have had more people Not say BIH to me than I have to them. All I/they need do is ask about it and its all good,,BIH. I just don't see it as cheating.

Here is one of the rules:
4.16 Interference
The non-shooting player will remain seated at all times while his opponent is at the table. Failure to do so is a foul for interference. If the non-shooting player distracts his opponent or interferes with his play in any way, (visually, audibly or physically) he has fouled. If a player shoots out of turn, or moves any ball except during his inning, it is considered to be interference. In addition to the foul, a warning could be issued to the offending player by the tournament director or head referee for "Unsportsmanlike Conduct".

I know many more players will tell their opponet if they foul = Winners:thumbup:

I know some Losers won't tell their Opponent if they foul = Losers
What Side Are you on?

 

[Bigkahuna]

I posted this question because a bud had witnessed this happening to a friend of his. My bud was playing in the tourney and spoke up now the guy is giving him hassles over speaking up and this guy is a known cheater.

 

[flash5153]

Here is one of the rules:
4.16 Interference
The non-shooting player will remain seated at all times while his opponent is at the table. Failure to do so is a foul for interference. If the non-shooting player distracts his opponent or interferes with his play in any way, (visually, audibly or physically) he has fouled. If a player shoots out of turn, or moves any ball except during his inning, it is considered to be interference. In addition to the foul, a warning could be issued to the offending player by the tournament director or head referee for "Unsportsmanlike Conduct".

I know many more players will tell their opponet if they foul = Winners:thumbup:

I know some Losers won't tell their Opponent if they foul = Losers
What Side Are you on?

lmao. The answer,,,Both!!! And the honest side.

 

[ignomirello]

I have never been in a tournament where I can't get out of a certain chair. You got me on that,,I don't quite understand . If so,,there should be a ref to watch game and call all fouls,,but whatever??

Thats why we are able to have nice tournaments, (Integrity) Do you really think a tournament director has the time to watch 12 tables at a time? What is he a baby sitter?

I see it 2 ways (A gentelman with sportmanship) or an (a hole Loser).

I'm done, no more posting on this subject for me. Have a great day everybody!

 

[Jeff G. Martin]

I get it everybody here would call a foul on them selfs when their opponent is not paying attenion,but would not tell their opponent when they are getting readdy to shot the wrong ball or gets mad when the ref does,come on somebody tell me what the difference is,if u r going to b honest about calling a foul on ur self,how could u not tell the opponent he is shooting the wrong ball.

richiebalto, I still feel the same way about this as I did in the other thread. I certainly don't expect you to agree with me or others who feel this same way, but I think you can see my argument explaining the difference, as you said you did understand. As GADawg said, it really is a judge of one's character.

Whats the difference of this and not calling a foul on yourself playing 1pocket,oh so all you honest people here that would call a foul on yourself (very close call)playing 1pocket,but wouldnt tell your opponent he is shooting the wrong ball,is that what shane is mad about,because the ref told peach that he was shooting the wrong ball?ok lets here all you honest pool players opinion!

There's a big difference in my opinion. I don't play one pocket, but in other games I can assure you that I would call a foul on myself, and I have before even if my opponent didn't see it. However, my opponent about to shoot the wrong ball is just lack of focus on his part, and shouldn't be rewarded for it. To me, it's only dishonest if I commit a foul and don't call it on myself, but if I don't tell my opponent he's about to shoot the wrong ball, I don't feel that's me being dishonest. I would NOT expect my opponent to tell me that I'm about to hit the wrong ball prior to shooting.

Ok so you would call a foul on your self but u wouldnt tell your opponent that he was shooting the wrong ball,now you say at the top of ur post that it a lack of focus on your opponent part for not paying attention,well isnt that the same as ur opponent not paying attention to the game when a foul occurs.

I see exactly what you're saying, and I guess the best explanation I can give is this: If I'm at the table, I'm going to be honest to myself and to him. When he's at the table, it isn't my obligation to tell him he's doing something wrong during a situation that he himself has control over.

Nice post JEFF,i do understand that!

 

[KRJ]

Hmmm

LMAO,,,don't call me a cheater. You bumped your head. Did you even read the post??

Im not talking about league play,,although people should be paying attention to the game,, it is for learning pool and really means nothing. If you want to be in a league and learn how to play BIH pool and you don't pay attention and mis a few(BIHs) You will learn fast.

But when your in a tournament you know you need to watch and I don't need to babysit you. If you are paying enough attention and think it might have been a bad hit,,call a ref before,,or if after ask me and will tell my honest opinion.

Your comparison on chess is asinine. The topic is more like this.

If we are playing chess and I see a move,,for you ,that will put me in check mate and I don't tell you until later.. You will call me a cheater,,, because you wasn't paying attention and not skilled enough to notice.

.

WOW. This reply was not even to you or about your lame reply....so did you bump your head? Why would I need to read your post if I was responding to someone else. You can quantify all you want, but your still a low life cheater.... Oh, I should have called a ref....please !! Yeah, your shooting the 8 ball into the corner,and no other balls on the table, but you touch the cueball with your tip during your practice strokes....yeah, my bad I didn't call a ref....that is asinine my friend.

And then when you shoot anyways, you have cheated. Just like in chess.
If I illegally touch the pieces it is cheating. You can call it whatever you want, I mean there are only two guys saying this is not cheating....and every league has 2 or 3 guys just like you. If if makes you feel better, great... no problem. You're not a "cheater"...

And your "honest opinion" means squat because you could not even admit you made the foul, and when I ask your gonna admit it? yeah right. Seen enough guys like you before. I didn't do nutin !!

And my chess comparison was dead on the money... but here is your chess comparison;

If we are playing chess and I see a move,,for you ,that will put me in check mate and I don't tell you until later.. You will call me a cheater,,, because you wasn't paying attention and not skilled enough to notice.

WOW... talk about an idiotic and stupid comparison. That might be the worst comparison...EVER.. Nobody violated any rules of the game in your comparison... but in the pool game you do not a) hit a rail, b) double hit the cueball 3) hit the cue ball during practice strokes, 4) hit the cue ball with jacket 5) cue ball hits bridge,,, etc. etc.

I don't have to tell you how to win at chess or at pool. That is what your comparison is saying.... We are talking about a violation of the rules of the game and then accepting the penalty as required. (BIH) You know, kinda like a man... but pool idiots like you play by different rules, always have and always will.... u wanna play, beat me straight up, without cheating...

I give you the last word, as I'm officially done with this thread. You won't ever get it because you can't comprehend simple logic.... not your fault probably the Detroit school system...

 

[richiebalto]

This is a dying thread,lets let it die in peace!

 

[ignomirello]

oh well let the thread die now

lmao. The answer,,,Both!!! And the honest side.

Thank god there is more us honest good guys than you cheaters