official statement from the WPA: "Mike Sigel is not a World 9-ball Champion"

Roy Steffensen

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official statement from the WPA: "Mike Sigel is not a World 9-ball Champion"

Ok, the statement doesn't say exactly that Mike Sigel is not a World 9-ball Champion, but they say that players who has not won a wpa-sanctioned World Championships are not considered to be World Champions.

I tend to agree with WPA about this subject, but what I found more interesting is that in the article it says that EPBF has penalized Dominic Jentsch for playing in the 10-ball tournament of Charlie Williams. When EPBF can't produce enough interesting tournaments for youth in Europe, how can they penalize them for playing in tournaments outside Europe??? This is just crazy...

Below is the article from the mainpage of AZBilliards.

Pretenders to the Title
The following is an open letter received by AzBilliards from Thomas Overbeck - WPA Vice President/Sports Director...


Since 1988, the WPA has been giving structure to the World of Pool and Billiards and has enjoyed quite some success in doing so. The WPA hosts regular World Championships in all of the major disciplines, participates in the World Games and is acknowledged by the IOC.

Prior to the formation of the WPA just anyone could name his event ?World Championship, a move that was self-glorious and that did not elevate the fidelity of the game. We at the WPA take the tile ?World Champion? very seriously and you can find a complete list of all World Champions on our website at: http://www.wpapool.com/index.asp?content=champ. Anyone who is not mentioned here is not considered to be a World Champion!

It was the WPA that took upon itself the task to find organizers, sponsors and federations to work with and to create an international network of organizations in order to take the sport where we feel it belongs. Nowadays, we have members in every continent. When we organize World Championships we issue fair quotas and invite players from all around the World to find the true champion. This is how we feel it should be done.

Therefore, we at the WPA must take exception to the recent headline on AZBilliards titled: ?Jentsch and Lovely have become World Champions in Ten-Ball?. Indeed, they have not. For your information: This event is not considered to be an official World Championships. A private organizer invited players of his own choice and named the event without the authorization of the WPA. We do not acknowledge the title of this event or the titles for the players. We feel that the time has not yet arrived to begin a Junior 10-Ball World Championships. For your information: Jentsch has been penalized by his home federation (the EPBF) for participating in an unsanctioned event.

It is our hope that all promoters and organizers might rethink their attitude as concerns the naming of future events. This would be for the betterment of the sport, the players, and especially it would be a tribute to those players who truly are World Champions. It gives their title the necessary respect and dignity that we feel it deserves.

By AzB Staff - 2008-08-11
 
For your information, this is the World Champions, says the WPA

World 8-ball Champions:
2008 Ralf Souquet (GER)
2007 Ronnie Alcano (PHI)
2005 Chia-Ching Wu (TPE)
2004 Efren Reyes (PHI)

World 9-ball Champions:
Year Men Women Juniors Wheelchair
2008 Yuan Chun-Lin (TPE)
Remark:
2007 Daryl Peach (ENG) Xiao Ting Pan (CHN) Yi-Ko Pin (TPE) and Mary Rakin (USA) Henrik Larsson (SWE)
Remark:
2006 Ronnie Alcano (PHI) Kim Ga Young (KOR) Yu-Lun Wu (TPE) and Mary Rakin (USA)
Remark:
2005 Chia-Ching Wu (TPE) Yu-Lun Wu (TPE) and Jasmin Ouschan (AUT) Fred Dinsmore (IRE)
Remark:
2004 Alex Pagulayan (CAN) Kim Ga Young (KOR) Yu-Lun Wu (TPE) and Meng-Meng Zhou (CHN) Shou-Wei Chu (TPE)
Remark:
2003 Thorsten Hohmann (GER) **Not Played ** Vilmos Foeldes (HUN) Henrik Larsson (SWE)
Remark:
2002 Earl Strickland (USA) Hsin-Mei Liu (TPE) Ying-Chieh (TPE) Jounu T?hti (FIN)
Remark:
2001 Mika Immonen (FIN) Allison Fisher (ENG) Brian Naithani (GER) **
Remark:
2000 Fong-Pang Chao (TPE) Julie Kelly (IRE) Dimitri Jungo (SUI) Fred Dinsmore (IRE)
Remark:
1999 Nick Varner (USA) , Efren Reyes (PHI) Hsin-Mei Liu(TPE) Hui-Chan Lu (TPE) Bob Calderon (USA)
Remark: Played Twice in 1999
1998 Kunihiko Takahashi (JPN) Allison Fisher (ENG) Hui-Chan Lu (TPE) **
Remark:
1997 Johnny Archer (USA) Allison Fisher (ENG) Christian Goteman (GER) **
Remark:
1996 Ralf Souquet (GER) Allison Fisher (ENG) Kung-Chang Huang (TPE) **
Remark:
1995 Oliver Ortmann (GER) Gerda Hofstatter (AUT) Kung-Chang Huang (TPE) **
Remark:
1994 Takeshi Okumura (JPN) Ewa Mataya-Laurance (SWE) Jorn Kjolaas (NOR) **

World Straight Pool Champions:
2007 Oliver Ortmann (GER)
2006 Thorsten Hohmann (GER)
 
Overbeck's disrespect to World Elite Players....

Roy Steffensen said:
Ok, the statement doesn't say exactly that Mike Sigel is not a World 9-ball Champion, but they say that players who has not won a wpa-sanctioned World Championships are not considered to be World Champions.

I tend to agree with WPA about this subject, but what I found more interesting is that in the article it says that EPBF has penalized Dominic Jentsch for playing in the 10-ball tournament of Charlie Williams. When EPBF can't produce enough interesting tournaments for youth in Europe, how can they penalize them for playing in tournaments outside Europe??? This is just crazy...

Below is the article from the mainpage of AZBilliards.

Pretenders to the Title
The following is an open letter received by AzBilliards from Thomas Overbeck - WPA Vice President/Sports Director...


Since 1988, the WPA has been giving structure to the World of Pool and Billiards and has enjoyed quite some success in doing so. The WPA hosts regular World Championships in all of the major disciplines, participates in the World Games and is acknowledged by the IOC.

Prior to the formation of the WPA just anyone could name his event ?World Championship, a move that was self-glorious and that did not elevate the fidelity of the game. We at the WPA take the tile ?World Champion? very seriously and you can find a complete list of all World Champions on our website at: http://www.wpapool.com/index.asp?content=champ. Anyone who is not mentioned here is not considered to be a World Champion!

It was the WPA that took upon itself the task to find organizers, sponsors and federations to work with and to create an international network of organizations in order to take the sport where we feel it belongs. Nowadays, we have members in every continent. When we organize World Championships we issue fair quotas and invite players from all around the World to find the true champion. This is how we feel it should be done.

Therefore, we at the WPA must take exception to the recent headline on AZBilliards titled: ?Jentsch and Lovely have become World Champions in Ten-Ball?. Indeed, they have not. For your information: This event is not considered to be an official World Championships. A private organizer invited players of his own choice and named the event without the authorization of the WPA. We do not acknowledge the title of this event or the titles for the players. We feel that the time has not yet arrived to begin a Junior 10-Ball World Championships. For your information: Jentsch has been penalized by his home federation (the EPBF) for participating in an unsanctioned event.

It is our hope that all promoters and organizers might rethink their attitude as concerns the naming of future events. This would be for the betterment of the sport, the players, and especially it would be a tribute to those players who truly are World Champions. It gives their title the necessary respect and dignity that we feel it deserves.

By AzB Staff - 2008-08-11

The first problem I had with the article was the selected title by Mr. Overbeck. I found it offensive to all "World Champions" recognized or not by the WPA that have participated in Independent or International Events to be called "Pretenders to The Title."

I see no problems whatsoever with many of the recognized Regional, National, State, Junior, U.S.A., European, Asian, and Independant Champions including "WPA recognized Champions" to gather themselves in "any" event to test their skills with "renowned or elite" players from around the World.

If the promoter of the event wants to call it a ?World Championship? since he/she has gathered ?some? of the best known players from around the World including your own WPA Champions, and there has been no other tournament with that title; there should be no other recourse but to name it a ?World Championship.? I believe that calling it anything other than a World Championship, would not be right unless Overbeck believes that calling it the ?World Pretenders to the Title Championship? is a fit name to the event.

Talk about ?not elevating the fidelity of the game? when we have a World Leader diminishing the accomplishments of two upcoming players like Jentsch and Lovely. They were not playing by themselves, and the field had some pretty good players, although not as many as some would have liked.

Overbeck?s statement could also set a ?dangerous precedent? by letting the EPBF take disciplinary action against Jentsch. What would happen if Ralph Souquet, Oliver Ortmann, Thorsten Hohmann, Efren Reyes, Daryl Peach, Chia Ching Wu, Ronnie Alcano, Alex Pagulayan, Mika Immonen, Fong Pang Chao, Johnny Archer, Nick Varner, Earl Strickland decide to continue participating in non-sanctioned WPA events? Would they also be disciplined and not allowed in any other WPA event just because they want to participate in non-sanctioned events, let?s say like the U.S. Open?

Overbeck needs to apologize and correct his statement as soon as possible. He should also intervene on behalf of Jentsch to get his suspension lifted. This should be done immediately, without further delay.

I would also suggest to Overbeck that he should carefully think about the titles to his press releases, and think carefully about the harm he may impose to others before sending those darn things out. Overbeck is demanding dignity and respect from promoters and organizers but has shown no respect to ?World Renowned and Upcoming Elite Players? with this press release.

Dr. Dissent has spoken.......; Mr. Overbeck, do you care to respond???
 
Blackjack said:
Business as usual.

Somebody in the WPA needs to pull their head out of their ass and accept the fact that the game of pool (and world championships) existed prior to their existence.

I don't have an argument for that one so I must agree.

However, I do see an importance on having a unified sport and since the WPA is at the top of the food chain in the organizational department of the world fererations I hope that in the future we can all find a way to work together and play by the same structure in our spot.


Mj
 
Blackjack said:
...the game of pool (and world championships) existed prior to their existence...

I agree 100%. I can't help but cringe when I hear an organization trying to wrestle control of a sport from other organizations. Nobody owns the "World Champion" title.

Poolmouse
 
The day that Mike Sigel isn't a world champion is a sad day for pool. Don't really care for the guy BUT he could/can? play.
 
This statement is incredibly disrespectful to the history of our game. I can understand the arguement against any tournaments held within the last 20 years, however there are other games besides 9 ball and if they weren't going to sanction a tournament what was everyone else supposed to do?

Furthermore do they mean to say that Thorsten Hohmann was the first ever world 14.1 champion!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
 
Blackjack said:
Business as usual.

Somebody in the WPA needs to pull their head out of their ass and accept the fact that the game of pool (and world championships) existed prior to their existence.

So eloquent. I love it.

Exactly what BJ said.....So Mosconi never won one either?? Sigel, Hopkins, not one? PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSH.... World Champion *THIS*
 
He goes on to say that these promoters are "self-glorious" and "invite who they want" then call the winner the world champ, well excuse me? what does the WPA do? they just invite who they want, thats what they do!!.

IMO, the WPA will never hold an event that mirrors the US Open, anyone that wants to play can simply plunk down the entry and goes for it.
 
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Somebody in the WPA needs to pull their head out of their ass and accept the fact that the game of pool (and world championships) existed prior to their existence.

TRUE THAT!

MikeJanis said:
I don't have an argument for that one so I must agree.

However, I do see an importance on having a unified sport and since the WPA is at the top of the food chain in the organizational department of the world fererations I hope that in the future we can all find a way to work together and play by the same structure in our spot.
Mj

If the money is not going to get much better who cares if the sport is unified.
 
I dunno, but to me, any invitational tournament is not a world championship.

That is not to say that people that have won world championships are not true champions, but at the same time, it should be a first come first serve basis for EVERY tournament to be filled. That way, it doesn't become a social gathering for privileged individuals who know the right people, whether they stink at pool or not.

Everyone should have the same chance as everyone else.

Just my opinion.
 
Oooops! Someone from Asia and Europe voiced out discontent but when America speaks the situation now turns serious.
 
bandido said:
Oooops! Someone from Asia and Europe voiced out discontent but when America speaks the situation now turns serious.


No, you can't start a 14.1 World Championship in 2006 and say everybody who came before 06' can go suck --------. When nonsense is spoken a proper response is required.
 
i can see the situation going like boxing - a bunch of different organisations and 4 separate so-called "world championships"
the game needs unity, organisation and probably a lot of consolidation at the very top level.
too may fingers in the pie, methinks.
 
I agree with what has been said about the period before WPA started to organize WC. But when IPT organized their World 8-ball Championship, I didn't look at it as a World Championship.

It was probably the toughest ever 8-ball tournament, with the toughest field to ever play in such a big 8-ball tournament. But was it a World Championship?
 
This is exactly why I put in a post a while back asking what makes a World tournament. Seems people are divided on this a bit. This is another reason why the PGA, ATP, MLB and such are solid money making operations, there are not 13 of them fighting for control of the same thing. The pro cue sport players have no idea which way to turn or where they can play.
 
I told you so

I'm going to make this short. The WPA is the worst of all the orgs. and that's saying something. The UPA and BCA are terrible but not as bad as the WPA. How arrogant of them to say that only their events are World Championships.
Mark my words. It won't be long until, if these groups get their way, that Americans will really be given short shrift. Barry Hearn, of course has led the way in these discriminatory efforts.
The current politics of our beautiful sport just make me sick. Sigel has won at least 100 tournaments, about 20% of which are legitimate world titles.
 
When for example the World 9-ball Championship was organized before WPA, who did it, and who could play? If invitees, who got them?

I am just curious. Was it Americans organizing, and only Americans playing in them? I am thinking of "World Championships" from the late 80's to early 90's.

Reason for asking is, did Europeans get invited? And did they play? If they didn't play, or get invited, why not?

This is the European 9-ball medalists from 1987 to 1993

1993 - Oslo, Norway
1. Ortmann, Oliver GER
2. Souquet, Ralf GER
3. Duregger, Werner AUT
3. Deigner, Tony GER

1992 - Velden, Austria
1. Duregger, Werner AUT
2. Lannoye, Mario BEL
3. Bergendorff, Niklas SWE
3. Lundell, Jan SWE

1991 - Mussolente, Italy
1. Engert, Thomas GER
2. Deigner, Tony GER
3. Lofstrand, Christer SWE
3. Kristianssen, Vegar NOR

1990 - St. Moritz, Switzerland
1. Engert, Thomas GER
2. Hallgren, Mikael SWE
3. Riiber, Lars Harold NOR
3. Lang, Norbert GER

1989 - Schaan, Liechtenstein
1. Engert, Thomas GER
2. Storm, Tom SWE
3. Pedersen, Bengt SWE
3. Hollenstein, Rolf SUI

1988 - Stockholm, Sweden
1. Storm, Tom SWE
2. Lofstrand, Christer SWE
3. Brewer, Keith GBR
3. Karlsson, Jurgen SWE

1987 - Stolberg, Germany
1. Storm, Tom SWE
2. Sander, Uwe GER
3. Deigner, Tony GER
3. Begni, Carlo SUI
 
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